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You should have just let the jackarse bray a bit. You fed him to much inforkamakazi wrote:adnj wrote:ICE technology is a mature platform and has little room for improvement in cost or efficiency.sMASH wrote:dont get me wrong, we ARE going e... its just that there is push for it, its not based in the economics. the extraction for the chemicals to make the batteries alone is quite problematic, environmentally wise. the power for the grid will require increasing, but the most fault tolerant and flexible source is with fossil. the recylcing of the ded batteries is also problematic.
ur saving the skies, but poisoning the land. and until u get more wind and solar, its just shifting the combustion from the individual to the corporation.
A coal-fired power plant is between 35% and 42% efficient.
A natural gas power plant is 60% efficient.
The best ICE efficiency is 25%.
Batteries are already being manufactured that improve cost, performance and environmental impact.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/enriquedan ... 0c53bd7f26
I'll keep this short as my first response didn't post
Natural gas power plant at 60%
Transmission Losses 20%
Charging your EV Losses 20%
Losses in Converting battery power to Motive Force 20%
So your EV is about 31% efficient (i am open to correction as my research might be a bit dated)
Best ICE efficiency is ~50 (F1 engines claim 52% but they don't use those daily on the streets/Diesel boat engines might get up to 60%)
In a road going vehicle the claim is up to ~ 40% (claimed by toyota and mazda) for the engine
on road Diesel ICE is up to ~45%
Transmission(Auto, CVT, Manual) losses range from ~12-30%
So some ICE vehicles are less efficient while others are more efficient than EVs
Money and Control
Tesla charges the owner for the software to operate features that are already on the car; heated seats were installed on every model up to a point in time. You can't use it even though it is equipped
Zero electric bikes does the same; the extended range feature does nothing but allow you to use more power from the same battery that is already installed on the bike with the same motor and same controller
Mercedes EQS charges a subscription fee to get an over the air update to use the full 10 degrees of rear steering. Without the sub the software limits you to 4 degrees.
Manufacturers want to control every aspect of how you use and service their cars cause they can make more money from you.
If i tell you you can only use these parts, and it can only be serviced at this dealership.
If you wake up one morning and instantly after an update your battery that used to have a range of 300kms now has a range of 30kms or limits your speed to 50kph cause the software says so. Or the software says to get your battery replaced even though it worked perfectly up to the point where you first got the message.
Could disable your airbags/abs/power steering/regen braking...etc...etc
Do you own that car or did you borrow it.
I'll keep my ICE with my simple electronics until they stop pulling this BS
I'll adjust my right foot to emit less CO2
He does try and have failed at every argument.sMASH wrote:cut/paste master can bring data, but no analysis or interpretation.. just another brick.
pugboy wrote:so unless the car batteries being charged by wind, solar or hydroelectric an electric car is far from zero emissions when some other fuel is used to generate the electricity for it to charge the batteries
sMASH wrote:but the main reason why we going green in trinidad, is not because it better, but because the govt getting incentive from eu to switch out. the population is being sold that it is better, but the politicians doing it cause they getting incentivized.
not all green routes are viable. some are pie in the sky.
zoom rader wrote:He does try and have failed at every argument.sMASH wrote:cut/paste master can bring data, but no analysis or interpretation.. just another brick.
These little arseholes think they know it all by posting articles that have their own agenda.
Most of these articles that he post are written by the manufacturers .
The kant thinks solar works at night
X100000carluva wrote:adjn man!!!
You are a very intelligent and factual tuner, but why you like to waste your precious time so??
Watch this video till about 3:30 or so. I remember seeing this growing up and to this day, always remember this video when I see some persons who just can't let go of something and keep with the same rhetoric in all different shapes and forms.
https://youtu.be/u26z1QRnfwo
Unfortunately, these are some of the tuners on these forums. Will uselessly argue, argue, argue until everyone (or the world) moves on to better places and then still continue to uselessly argue until they cease to exist or make sense.
I won't comment on Covid not my field. However, water, oil & gas , steel and power generation was my former field.The_Honourable wrote:jed... adjn fighting it for a long time since the covid ched. I thought he would have realized this by now but all these articles that he's filling up the cheds with although relevant not going to change the position of persons who minds right or wrong are already made up.
Over 100 pages of posts by adjn in the covid ched, hoover still here unvaccinated and safe with his government wuk. Zoom approaching 20 years here on tuner and will do another 20 easily... he willing to battle and die on the hill if that means by himself.
Not every post deserves a response, you will be burnt out. If you can't agree, sometimes you have to let persons be and move on.
Hoss, I am not a fan of fossil fuel, but lots of lies and manipulations are being told on Solar just to sell it on the commercial side.timelapse wrote:https://thefifthestate.com.au/energy-lead/energy/nikola-tesla-dreamed-of-free-electricity-what-happened/
Interesting read here.Tesla himself,not 3l0n, despised fossil fuel dependency.The man created a working model of it,but unfortunately, big oil and big ego Edison had him put away as a madman and his work confiscated.
Another prime example of how people without vision can hinder progress because of their own lack of understanding and moreso because of their egos.Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the sign of a madman.
Zoom: Continuing on the path of fossil fuels is the same as voting for PNM.Same lack of understanding and same ego problem.
It didn't appear so before.But now that you cleared that up,no problem.What do you think of the Nikola Tesla model? Minus the propaganda?I know there will be initial startup costs and maintenance costs, plastic, cooling oils etc. if any ...zoom rader wrote:Hoss, I am not a fan of fossil fuel, but lots of lies and manipulations are being told on Solar just to sell it on the commercial side.timelapse wrote:https://thefifthestate.com.au/energy-lead/energy/nikola-tesla-dreamed-of-free-electricity-what-happened/
Interesting read here.Tesla himself,not 3l0n, despised fossil fuel dependency.The man created a working model of it,but unfortunately, big oil and big ego Edison had him put away as a madman and his work confiscated.
Another prime example of how people without vision can hinder progress because of their own lack of understanding and moreso because of their egos.Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the sign of a madman.
Zoom: Continuing on the path of fossil fuels is the same as voting for PNM.Same lack of understanding and same ego problem.
People want clean energy, then hydro has proven itself.
Windfarms are break-even operations
Only Tesla techs can work on ur kart.timelapse wrote:It didn't appear so before.But now that you cleared that up,no problem.What do you think of the Nikola Tesla model? Minus the propaganda?I know there will be initial startup costs and maintenance costs, plastic, cooling oils etc. if any ...zoom rader wrote:Hoss, I am not a fan of fossil fuel, but lots of lies and manipulations are being told on Solar just to sell it on the commercial side.timelapse wrote:https://thefifthestate.com.au/energy-lead/energy/nikola-tesla-dreamed-of-free-electricity-what-happened/
Interesting read here.Tesla himself,not 3l0n, despised fossil fuel dependency.The man created a working model of it,but unfortunately, big oil and big ego Edison had him put away as a madman and his work confiscated.
Another prime example of how people without vision can hinder progress because of their own lack of understanding and moreso because of their egos.Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the sign of a madman.
Zoom: Continuing on the path of fossil fuels is the same as voting for PNM.Same lack of understanding and same ego problem.
People want clean energy, then hydro has proven itself.
Windfarms are break-even operations
We already have 5g out in the world, do you think wireless,'free' electricity would work?
Read what I asked again.Not the EV.Electricity in general.I linked a whole article therezoom rader wrote:Only Tesla techs can work on ur kart.timelapse wrote:It didn't appear so before.But now that you cleared that up,no problem.What do you think of the Nikola Tesla model? Minus the propaganda?I know there will be initial startup costs and maintenance costs, plastic, cooling oils etc. if any ...zoom rader wrote:Hoss, I am not a fan of fossil fuel, but lots of lies and manipulations are being told on Solar just to sell it on the commercial side.timelapse wrote:https://thefifthestate.com.au/energy-lead/energy/nikola-tesla-dreamed-of-free-electricity-what-happened/
Interesting read here.Tesla himself,not 3l0n, despised fossil fuel dependency.The man created a working model of it,but unfortunately, big oil and big ego Edison had him put away as a madman and his work confiscated.
Another prime example of how people without vision can hinder progress because of their own lack of understanding and moreso because of their egos.Doing the same thing and expecting different results is the sign of a madman.
Zoom: Continuing on the path of fossil fuels is the same as voting for PNM.Same lack of understanding and same ego problem.
People want clean energy, then hydro has proven itself.
Windfarms are break-even operations
We already have 5g out in the world, do you think wireless,'free' electricity would work?
If u get harrylal to work on it, u on ur own.
In a nutshell that's what they are .sMASH wrote:That's cause when the ass tired he hadde rest and recharge for 8 hrs for wuk d next day.
The con is real and idiots don't understand why it's called a kart.matix wrote:https://youtu.be/DG9Izqp6WWU
Ok so kart is meant as a derogatory term for electric vehicles, or are persons still under the impression that only animal drawn or golf karts exist? Then there are go karts which are mostly engine powered. Then again, most electric vehicles are constructed like a go kart with batteries in the floor, so kart can be used as a description I think. I wonder if people still refer to cars as horseless carriages in the same way as they refer to electric vehicles as karts.zoom rader wrote:The con is real and idiots don't understand why it's called a kart.matix wrote:https://youtu.be/DG9Izqp6WWU
The kart came before the carwing wrote:Ok so kart is meant as a derogatory term for electric vehicles, or are persons still under the impression that only animal drawn or golf karts exist? Then there are go karts which are mostly engine powered. Then again, most electric vehicles are constructed like a go kart with batteries in the floor, so kart can be used as a description I think. I wonder if people still refer to cars as horseless carriages in the same way as they refer to electric vehicles as karts.zoom rader wrote:The con is real and idiots don't understand why it's called a kart.matix wrote:https://youtu.be/DG9Izqp6WWU
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