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Postby pluggie » February 14th, 2012, 7:51 am

Feb 11 (Reuters) - Saudi Basic Industries Corp (SABIC) and China Petroleum & Chemical Corp (Sinopec) have started negotiations with Trinidad and Tobago to build a $5.3 billion methanol complex there, SABIC said on Saturday.

SABIC and its Chinese partner obtained the approval of Trinidad and Tobago on Feb. 9 after bidding against other international companies, SABIC said in a statement on the Saudi bourse website.

"This approval marks the launch of negotiations to build the complex and is not binding to either side until final agreement is reached," SABIC added.

It did not set a timeframe for the final agreement nor the capacity of the plant which will produce methanol and then convert it to olefins.

SABIC, the world's largest petrochemical company by market value, is 70 percent owned by the government of Saudi Arabia and makes chemicals, fertilisers, plastics and metals used in paint, rubber, textiles, cleaning and other consumer products.

The firm also has an agreement with Sinopec to build a $1 billion-plus polycarbonate plant in Tianjin where the two companies have already started operating a petrochemical joint venture in 2010.

For a Factbox on China's ethylene construction plans please click on: (Reporting by Asma Alsharif, writing by Reem Shamseddine)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/11/sabic-sinopec-trinidad-idUSL5E8DB0CO20120211

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we need E85 nowww!!!

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Postby tr1ad » February 14th, 2012, 9:31 am

it's just another methanol plant, probably to rival the upcoming saturn methanol plant

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Postby foss » February 14th, 2012, 9:34 am

where they plan to build?

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Postby imperial » February 14th, 2012, 9:48 am

Hopefully this would be owner operated and not run by Individual Pay Slips Low (I.P.S.L.)!

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Postby tr1ad » February 14th, 2012, 9:53 am

saturn should be across the road from atlas in the empty car park

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Postby demented » February 14th, 2012, 12:42 pm

Talks on US$5.3b methanol plant in South
Story Created: Feb 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM ECT

(Story Updated: Feb 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM ECT )

Negotiations are under way between the world's largest petrochemical company, Saudi Basic Industries Corp (SABIC), China Petroleum and Chemical Corp (Sinopec) and the Government of Trinidad and Tobago to construct a US$5.3 billion methanol complex in South Trinidad.

In a statement on Saturday on the Saudi bourse website, SABIC said the company and its partner, Sinopec, obtained government approval on February 9, after bidding against other international companies

"This approval marks the launch of negotiations to build the complex and is not binding to either side until final agreement is reached," SABIC added.

It did not set a timeframe for the final agreement nor the capacity of the plant which will produce methanol and then convert it to olefins.

On Thursday during the weekly post-Cabinet press conference at the Diplomatic Centre, St Ann's, Energy Minister Kevin Ramnarine announced that the SABIC and Sinopec proposal had been given Cabinet approval. He also said the Energy Ministry had responded to American Ambassador Beatrice Wilkinson Welters's concerns over the project, although he declined to say what they were.

The project will see billions of dollars in foreign direct investment and requires 2,000 hectares of land available north of the Point Lisas Industrial Estate, Ramnarine told the Express.



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Postby demented » February 14th, 2012, 1:38 pm

Missed opportunity in methanol?
Published: Thursday, December 2, 2010Published: Thursday, December 2, 2010.

Carolyn Seepersad-BachanCarolyn Seepersad-Bachan
As the Government attempts to kickstart the economy so that it shakes off the stagnation that seems to have befallen us, one of the main things that ministers can and should be doing is listening to every possible new idea and exploring every investment opportunity. Listening and exploring new ideas and investment opportunities should be government policy because no one can tell whether the idea that was dismissed as foolishness turns out to be the next Google or the investor knocking on the Minister’s door happens to have the cure for cancer. The need to be receptive and open-minded to possibilities struck me last month when I got a call from someone who said that he represented Deo van Wijk, who wanted to speak with me.

Out of the recesses of my memory, the name was connected to the petrochemical industry as someone who had been involved in the setting up of the methanol plants. I agreed to see Mr van Wijk. When I went to see him, I learnt that he was in Trinidad for six days, staying at the presidential suite at the Hilton and that he was attempting to see the Minister of Energy or some official who would at least listen to his proposal. It turns out that Van Wijk had formed Saturn Methanol, the company which was responsible for Titan Methanol, a 2,500 metric tonne per day methanol production facility at the Point Lisas Industrial Estate, which broke ground in 1998 and began production in 2000. The total capital cost of the project was in excess of US$300 million. After Saturn Methanol’s success with Titan, Saturn Methanol began the development of its Atlas methanol project, (located in Trinidad), a 5,000 metric tonne per day methanol production facility, also at Point Lisas.

Atlas Methanol was to be the first world-wide facility using a new process developed by Lurgi AG and Saturn Methanol which enabled methanol production facilities to exceed the up to then maximum 2,500–3,000 metric tonne per day limits. He says the reason Atlas experienced technical problems at start-up was because the Methanex engineers had no experience with the Lurgi technology, which was new, but were accustomed to ICI technology, which does not use oxygen in the process. The Atlas plant needed to be started up fast unlike the ICI process, he says. Atlas’s rated production made it the larg est methanol plant in the world when it was commissioned in 2004. He considers Atlas, constructed using Lurgi technology, to be the best methanol plant ever built. Van Wijk said he developed Titan with “no money” and that he was forced to sell Saturn Methanol to Canadian methanol producer, Methanex, in 2000 because he “ran out of money.” Saturn, which owned ten per cent of the Titan methanol plant plus the marketing rights and 52 per cent of Atlas, was sold for US$36.5 million.

As a condition of the sale of Saturn Methanol to Methanex, Van Wijk was required to sign a ten-year non-compete agreement which kept him out of the methanol business until March 31, 2010. Asked if he thinks Methanex took advantage of him, he answered simply: “Yes.” It seemed to me, listening to him as he smoked his cigarettes, with the butt of the Dunhills pinched off, that he had spent one to two years thinking about how to return to the methanol business. The non-compete clause ended on March 31 and soon after that he was prepared to start talking about a new way of making methanol, for which he has the sole global rights, and which he thinks will substantially transform the global methanol industry. This new technology would allow Van Wijk to construct a methanol plant the same size as Atlas but which will produce 10,000 metric tonnes per day, which is twice as much product as Atlas. This new methanol technology, called Giga Methanol, will be built without a reformer, which is between 20 and 25 per cent of the cost of a methanol plant.

Because the plant is producing twice as much methanol at the same size and cost of construction, it’s cost of production would be half that of the most efficient methanol plants in the world. While Atlas’s installed cost is US$600 per metric tonne, Giga's would be US$300. The same technology can be applied to the production of ammonia. Therefore, it seemed to me, the breakthrough is in the process technology. Mr Van Wijk is interested in making a US$15 billion investment in Trinidad and Tobago over a ten-year period. This investment has the potential to create 50,000 sustainable, permanent jobs and up to 5,000 jobs in construction. The complex of plants, using methanol and ammonia as the starting blocks, would be able to make a large number of downstream products including acetic acid, cellulose acetate, acrylic acid, polypropylene, hexamine as well as a number of products like DIMI and diesel.

For this investment, Mr van Wijk needs 5 trillion cubic feet of natural gas over the 20 year lifespan of the complex to produce the methanol which will lead to the long list of petrochemicals that are possible. To produce the ammonia, that will be part of the process, will require an additional 3 tcf of natural gas over 20 years. Most importantly, the complex would be able to produce 3 million tonnes of super high-grade, no sulphur, low aromatic, high octane, gasoline by way of a methanol to gasoline process. This would require an additional 5 tcf of natural gas over 20 years. He has done his business plan using an assumed price of natural gas of US$2.25 per mmbtu. He estimates that the process and the complex would be able to produce gasoline at US$1.40 per gallon and this includes a 35 per cent rate of tax plus an assumed 15 per cent return on investment.

Given the fact that gasoline sells in the US at US$2.25 per gallon, the potential for profit with world oil prices at US$80 per barrel, is considerable. One metric tonne of methanol would produce about 400 kilogramms of gasoline. The process has the potential to lead to geo-political change in the world as it would reduce US dependence on imported oil from hostile places, says van Wijk. He was in Trinidad for six days last month attempting to meet with the Minister of Energy and the Prime Minister. He failed. At the Hilton, he said that if he did not get to see any officials, he was not coming back here. He has since withdrawn that position but says he is will continuing to work on similar projects in the US and Russia and hoping that a T&T official will get in touch to at least talk to him about the project.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/node/624

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Re: upcoming methanol plants in Trinidad (job prospects)

Postby tr1ad » February 14th, 2012, 3:12 pm

easy to google a 2 year old article, when the go ahead has already been given to methanex for saturn

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Re: upcoming methanol plants in Trinidad (job prospects)

Postby De Dragon » February 14th, 2012, 11:28 pm

tr1ad wrote:it's just another methanol plant, probably to rival the upcoming saturn methanol plant

:? :?
No,its a full scale methanol to olefins complex, and those complexes can be HUGE!

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Postby tr1ad » February 15th, 2012, 7:45 am

De Dragon wrote:
tr1ad wrote:it's just another methanol plant, probably to rival the upcoming saturn methanol plant

:? :?
No,its a full scale methanol to olefins complex, and those complexes can be HUGE!


well then to la brea industrial estate it is!

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Postby black start » February 15th, 2012, 11:28 am

dem phorkers feel dey coming in my backyard to make big up plant wey ah does plant meh lil garden? dem mad owa?


is 1protest....



but then with meh engineering degree i could walk to work......hmmm....

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Re: upcoming methanol plants in Trinidad (job prospects)

Postby De Dragon » February 15th, 2012, 9:26 pm

tr1ad wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
tr1ad wrote:it's just another methanol plant, probably to rival the upcoming saturn methanol plant

:? :?
No,its a full scale methanol to olefins complex, and those complexes can be HUGE!


well then to la brea industrial estate it is!

Its slated to be constructed at Point Lisas, somewhere opposite to Yara I believe. A Russian owned,US based steel company is looking at the feasibility of constructing an integrated mill in La Brea though, so if the griminess of a steel plant is your thing well..........

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Postby S_2NR » February 16th, 2012, 2:20 am

Black Start wrote:dem phorkers feel dey coming in my backyard to make big up plant wey ah does plant meh lil garden? dem mad owa?


is 1protest....



but then with meh engineering degree i could walk to work......hmmm....


All that to say................

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Re: upcoming methanol plants in Trinidad (job prospects)

Postby De Dragon » February 16th, 2012, 2:28 am

S_2NR wrote:
Black Start wrote:dem phorkers feel dey coming in my backyard to make big up plant wey ah does plant meh lil garden? dem mad owa?


is 1protest....



but then with meh engineering degree i could walk to work......hmmm....


All that to say................

That yuh livin Central?

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Re: upcoming methanol plants in Trinidad (job prospects)

Postby Habit7 » March 3rd, 2013, 8:03 pm

Sorry guys...

Saudi's Sabic Halts Plans to Build Trinidad Plant
PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad


Saudi petrochemical giant Sabic halts plans to build $5.3 billion methanol complex in Trinidad



Petrochemical giant Saudi Basic Industries Corp. says it is halting plans to develop a $5.3 billion methanol complex in the energy-rich Caribbean nation of Trinidad and Tobago.

In a Sunday statement, Sabic said it decided not to continue with negotiations for the planned complex after the "relevant parties did not reach a deal on the fundamental conditions for this project."

No specifics on the differences were disclosed.

The project was expected to be a partnership with Sinopec Corp., one of China's three major state-owned oil companies.

Sabic announced a year ago that it hoped to develop the methanol plant in Trinidad.

Trinidad Energy Minister Kevin Ramnarine did not immediately return calls for comment.

The twin-island Caribbean nation is the second biggest energy producer in the Caribbean after nearby Venezuela.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wir ... t-18642076

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Postby hustla_ambition101 » March 3rd, 2013, 8:34 pm

Interesting....

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Postby r3iXmann » March 3rd, 2013, 10:23 pm

imperial wrote:Hopefully this would be owner operated and not run by Individual Pay Slips Low (I.P.S.L.)!


greed is a helluva thing yes :|

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Postby greenlime100 » March 3rd, 2013, 10:41 pm

imperial wrote:Hopefully this would be owner operated and not run by Individual Pay Slips Low (I.P.S.L.)!


:lol:

Either way, I welcome the plant as long as it doesnt cause another up rise in protests and people that want to go on hunger strike.
For me I seeing more jobs more income for the country and more business opportunities.

And especially where I shooting my career in the future... who doesnt want to work in a new plant ?

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Re: upcoming methanol plants in Trinidad (job prospects)

Postby Habit7 » March 3rd, 2013, 10:52 pm

^^^dude I don't think you read my earlier post

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Postby greenlime100 » March 3rd, 2013, 10:59 pm

Habit7 wrote:^^^dude I don't think you read my earlier post


lmao my bad there.... so no plant :roll:

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Postby Aaron 2NR » March 3rd, 2013, 11:45 pm

Project canceled

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Postby X2 » March 4th, 2013, 7:41 am

Someone say parking lot ?

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Postby xtech » March 4th, 2013, 9:23 am

Canceled because they wanted ah bess price on the gas.

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Postby turbosingh » March 4th, 2013, 9:31 am

THE_FUGITIVES wrote:we need E85 nowww!!!


Same thing i was thinking!

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