TriniTuner.com | Latest Event:
Moderator: 3ne2nr Mods
nick639 wrote:1. What is your current educational level?
Finished CAPE an UWI pre-engineering course but missed acceptance into mech by a little but got into geomatics...so i was wondering if to take the chance of doing that 1st year and transferring over or just go UTT,
2. What do you think engineering is?
I have a fair knowledge about the engineering degree, i want to do the mech eng to hopefully someday be a qualified diver and do mig welding
3. What do you want or expect to do after completing your degree?
after completing i will work and do my diving courses part time
Daran wrote:not this again. Here's the pros and cons of each.
Also, if you don't mind, I have three questions.
1. What is your current educational level?
2. What do you think engineering is?
3. What do you want or expect to do after completing your degree?
UWI Pros
- Real Engineering BSc accredited by international engineering bodies. http://sta.uwi.edu/eng/Accreditation.asp
- Has produced hundreds if not thousands of engineers who have went on to achieve greatness. Ivy league schools and others such as Cambridge, Oxford & Imperial, easily accept first and upper second class honor degree holders into their post grad programs.
- 95% of companies that need a real engineer will hire you over any UTT graduate.
- Strong and reputable history with UWI Engineering. It's surprisingly well known in the international academic circles.
- Some pretty good world known lectures (some piss poor as well)
- Teaches you to be a "real" engineer, but is more oriented to research and design rather than the practical/maintenance/operational type.
- Students in most Engineering programs are pretty intelligent (not all mind you!) and as such, the academic level is relatively high. You really need to be above average intelligence to get a first or upper second class honor degree.
UWI Cons
- Teaches you too much theory and not enough practical knowledge thus making you feel very inexperienced upon graduating. Also makes you look kinda stupid when a can't follow a electricians wiring diagram...but hey at least you know linear time-invariant systems.
- Lots of arrogant and piss poor lectures who don't treat the under grads with respect or priority
- Teaches you a lot of foundational theory which is great, but not really useful for 99% of trinidad'd engineering job market.
- Too much man, and some of the women in Eng are more manly than you.
UTT Pros
- Good balance between practical and theoretical
- Not difficult, exams are easy to pass
- You are usually first in line for low end engineering jobs or technician jobs.
- More campuses...UWI only has STA
- Lower entry level requirements
- Some really good lectures (cough *myself* cough)
UTT Cons
- I'll be frank with you. A UTT engineering degree is NOT a real engineering degree. It is a glorified technicians degree. It is not recognized anywhere in the world expect in CARICOM states (not all even). No top tier international university will give a UTT grad time of day. That said, we are trying to improve every year and programs are fairly good.
- Lower entry level requirements + free entry (GATE) = 70% of the class being a bunch of slackers who will try to distract and derail you. Not a good atmosphere for excelling.
- Most local companies who need a 'real' engineer will not hire you for that job. I'll give you an example with Digicel, they will hire a new UTT graduate to do dog work, make you work from 7:30am to 6pm and pay you $6,000 a month. Meanwhile a new UWI engineer will get closer to $15K with more responsibility, more respect, more room to grow and more training opportunities.
.
With all said I would recommend UWI but UTT is geared and prepares you better for industry.It is up to the student to learn not really the institution. 
salvation4U wrote:Some of your comments are not correct imo
1) You are quite ignorant of UTT accredited programmes because not all the programmes are not accredited (as yet).
A lot of UTT's accreditation is really "partnerships" from a specific university (not all) or accreditation by a less stringent body. While this is a good step, it doesn't mean that the degree is internationally accredited. And again, for students looking to onto post grad studies abroad UWI has a big advantage. UTT Petro MEng is finally accredited which a tremendous achievement.
2) First UTT ENg Programmes is geared towards and prepares the student for industry
Yes and I do agree with this as well. This is also a bad thing since our students do not have the theoretical knowledge (and I'll be honest that most don't have the capacity) to further their studies abroad. Also, given that UTT's graduates have a lot more practical knowledge, employers (like myself, I run a company as well as lecture part time) look to hire UTT studends for more maintenance field work while the UWI grads get the more office type design jobs....typically the office guys move up the corporate ladder faster and are treated better.
3) UWI BSC-3yrs, UTT BASc-3yrs, UTT MEng-4yrs, UTT MSc-1year (after successful completion of MEng)
Don't see the point of this, UWI's BSc is very intensive compared to UTT's MEng. You can do a UWI BSC & MSC in 4 years as well.
4) In UTT deg prog there are smaller number of student in a classroom environment which gives the student more time with the lecturer and more attention.
Yes, in more specific courses, some classes are as big as UWI's and I agree that is a big problem with UWI.
5) I do agree that UTT has some trash lecturers, but some are very good and are willing to help.
Same as UWI. UTT I'd say has better lecturers for teaching students how to function in our local industry. UWI is not as good at properly preparing students for their future local roles.
6) UWI has more distraction IMO like uwi fete and other fetes
lawd, that is an advange if any. One ting UTT lacks is the campus feel of UWI...at least for now
7) UTT degrees courses has more projects and presentations which is needed in industry. UWI is more theory than pratical..theory is good if you want to do phd.
Honestly, I don't know if this is true.....this is depends more on the teaching methods of the individual lecturers. However, UWI's final year project is much more intensive that what most UTT degrees require.
Very true. This is why I asked the OP what is his goals for the future. You can make bank either way. UTT can allow you to get into more field work which often times pay big overtime. UWI's engineers a lot of times don't get that opportunity, but they have opportunities getting high paying engineering jobs and are preferred for job promotions to managerial positions. Again, this all comes down to how an individual prepares themself.
nick639 wrote:1. What is your current educational level?
Finished CAPE an UWI pre-engineering course but missed acceptance into mech by a little but got into geomatics ...so i was wondering if to take the chance of doing that 1st year and transferring over or just go UTT,
2. What do you think engineering is?
I have a fair knowledge about the engineering degree, i want to do the mech eng to hopefully someday be a qualified diver and do mig welding
3. What do you want or expect to do after completing your degree?
after completing i will work and do my diving courses part time
Daran wrote:UTT Pros
- Not difficult, exams are easy to pass
- Lower entry level requirements
Mark! wrote:even though s_2ner comes off as a douche bag. he is right. UTT ainnt recognized as much as uwi. however, utt may provide job placement once you are at the top of the class
sMASH wrote:the company i am in hires utt people because they can pay them less. they take on the uwi persons for the GiT program (graduates in training) because it is a short term contract where they can get uwi graduates-to-be to do the work with a fraction of the pay.
nervewrecker wrote:sMASH wrote:the company i am in hires utt people because they can pay them less. they take on the uwi persons for the GiT program (graduates in training) because it is a short term contract where they can get uwi graduates-to-be to do the work with a fraction of the pay.
sounds IPSL-ish
.
salvation4U wrote:You can argue from now till you retire or when Trinidad get another gold medal at the Olympics......it all depends on the student when he/she graduates and is looking for a job. How that person do in an interview will determine if they will get the job!
How I know that? I've seen it myself. How a student present himself in front of his prospective employers, using the right techniques, knowing what to say and when. Remember you are trying to sell yourself and skill.
You not going to an interview and say well I have a UWI degree and that makes me better than anybody from UTT
Do you think you actually use those derivation and long formulas your UWI lecturer tell you to memorise for exams in industry? Most of the classroom work is almost never used...you learn as you work on the job!
As I said before it is all up to the student and his/her mentality and selfesteem and willingness to learn.
These days a person with a degree is common since everyone literally gets a scholarship (GATE). So the employer has to choose between UWI vs UTT grads. [b]A good work would be hard to get unless you know some one.[/b]What I know from employers is that when they hire grads for internship not sure from utt or uwi they get tax breaks which is good for them and you benefit because you get experience and not really much cash but who cares? What you want is experience.
If you know that you want to further your career abroad and want to get your MSc, phd etc ...UWI no doubt...If you just want a degree to get a better paying job than your dipl and to show the world that you have a degree no matter where it comes from UTT is your answer.
UML wrote:Daran wrote:UTT Pros
- Not difficult, exams are easy to pass
- Lower entry level requirements
honestly i think these are Cons and not Pros
Return to “Ole talk and more Ole talk”
Users browsing this forum: GoochMonay, Google [Bot], pugboy and 44 guests
