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Israel-Palestine Conflict

Postby ray d saint » January 7th, 2009, 8:58 am

Jan. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Israel said it will halt its fire on the Gaza Strip for three hours a day to allow food and other aid into the territory as mounting casualties among Palestinian civilians increased pressure for a truce.

At least 40 Palestinians were killed when Israeli forces struck a school run by the United Nations in Gaza, a UN official said. Israel, which struck at least 40 more Hamas targets overnight, said it responded after its soldiers were fired at from the building. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s security cabinet is meeting today to weigh further military options.

The school deaths yesterday added urgency to diplomatic efforts aimed at reaching a cease-fire as the conflict, launched by Israel to end rocket attacks by Palestinian militants from Gaza, entered its 12th day. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak made a new cease-fire proposal last night and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who has been lobbying throughout the region for a truce, said the casualties at the school demonstrate the urgent need to stop the fighting. “Time works against us,â€

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Re: Israel to Halt Fire for Three Hours a Day...

Postby Mr. Cheese » January 7th, 2009, 9:00 am

ray786 wrote:Gaza’s water and sewage systems are on the verge of collapse because of power shortages


Dais real sheit sah...

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Postby Oleander » January 7th, 2009, 9:05 am

So Isreal halts fire to allow aid into Gaza
so after the people are aided and are given some smudge of hope.... Isreal bombs the hell out of them again...
GO ISREAL :twisted:
See the Isrealites are very compassionate people..

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Postby joker » January 7th, 2009, 9:12 am

Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for the UN

ent he is a tuner?

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Postby Oleander » January 7th, 2009, 9:26 am

^^ :|

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Postby nickie poo » January 7th, 2009, 9:39 am

joker wrote:
Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for the UN

ent he is a tuner?


:D

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Postby Tarantula » January 7th, 2009, 9:58 am

forgive my ignorance for i do not follow up on details where war is concerned, but what the heck are they fighting for??

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Postby Oleander » January 7th, 2009, 10:03 am

The land.

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Postby Tarantula » January 7th, 2009, 10:12 am

the Gaza strip?

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Postby tr1ad » January 7th, 2009, 10:22 am

dem still fightin fuh dat

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Postby Oleander » January 7th, 2009, 10:37 am

The History of Gaza: Wikipedia
"Strategically located on the Mediterranean coastal route, ancient
Gaza was a prosperous trade center and a stop on the caravan route
between Egypt and Syria. The city was occupied by Egypt around the 15th
century BCE. Philistines settled the area several hundred years later,
and Gaza became one of their chief cities.

Gaza was captured by Arabs in the AC 600s. Believed to be the site where the Prophet Muhammad's
great grandfather was buried, the city became an important Islamic
center. In the 12th century, Gaza was taken by Christian Crusaders; it
returned to Muslim control in 1187. The city fell to the Ottomans in the 16th century and was taken by the British during World War I (1914-1918).

Following World War I, Gaza became part of the British mandate for
Palestine. After the first Arab Israel war in 1948, Egypt took control
over Gaza and its surrounding area. Israel occupied the city and the
Gaza Strip during the 1967 Six Day War, and Gaza remained under Israeli
administration for the next 27 years.

With the onset of the Palestinian uprising known as the intifada in 1987, Gaza became a center of political unrest and confrontation between Israelis and Palestinians, and economic conditions in the city worsened.

In September 1993, leaders of Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) signed the Oslo Accords calling for Palestinian administration of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank town of Jericho, which was implemented in May 1994. Most of the Israeli forces left Gaza, leaving a new Palestinian Authority to administer and police the city, along with the rest of the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian Authority, led by Yasser Arafat,
chose Gaza as its first provincial headquarters. In September 1995,
Israel and the PLO signed a second peace agreement extending the
Palestinian Authority to some West Bank towns. The agreement also
established an elected 88-member Palestinian Council, which held its
inaugural session in Gaza in March 1996."

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Postby teems1 » January 7th, 2009, 11:38 am

Hamas started the conflict by firing rockets first during the ceasefire.

What did they expect? Israel not to retaliate with their huge arsenal?

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Postby apple » January 7th, 2009, 12:03 pm

so when they kill everybody who will own the land?

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Postby M_2NR » January 7th, 2009, 12:15 pm

teems1 wrote:Hamas started the conflict by firing rockets first during the ceasefire.

What did they expect? Israel not to retaliate with their huge arsenal?


clearly you watching too much CNN and dont realize this is on going "i shoot you, you pwn me" senario for the past... i dunno since the beginning.. :|

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Postby Maserati » January 7th, 2009, 12:16 pm

apple wrote:so when they kill everybody who will own the land?


Israel..they done illegally occupying lots of land and don't give a damn if the UN or international community vex, only the US can have a say.

there are 2 sides to every story...yes Hamas provoked Israel by firing their little firecracker rockets but look at the blockage Israel has imposed on the people living there, what kind of life is that where every day you are suffering in one of the most crowded places on earth.
That sort of suffering will drive people to do crazy things.
As always who has the better arsenal will win...at the expense of innocent civilians.

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Postby M_2NR » January 7th, 2009, 12:21 pm

Maserati wrote:
apple wrote:so when they kill everybody who will own the land?


Israel..they done illegally occupying lots of land and don't give a damn if the UN or international community vex, only the US can have a say.

there are 2 sides to every story...yes Hamas provoked Israel by firing their little firecracker rockets but look at the blockage Israel has imposed on the people living there, what kind of life is that where every day you are suffering in one of the most crowded places on earth.
That sort of suffering will drive people to do crazy things.
As always who has the better arsenal will win...at the expense of innocent civilians.


Excellent Sir!!! ;) (yea i was afraid to go in depth like that)

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Postby L'il Kim » January 7th, 2009, 6:36 pm

^^ what they said....

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Postby apple » January 7th, 2009, 6:38 pm

hmmm....ok

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Israel admits troops may have used phosphorus shells in Gaza

Postby TK! » January 26th, 2009, 2:58 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ja ... rus-shells

Israel has admitted – after mounting pressure – that its troops may have used white phosphorus shells in contravention of international law, during its three-week offensive in the Gaza Strip.

One of the places most seriously affected by the use of white phosphorus was the main UN compound in Gaza City, which was hit by three shells on 15 January. The same munition was used in a strike on the al-Quds hospital in Gaza City the same day.

Under review by Colonel Shai Alkalai is the use of white phosphorus by a reserve paratroop brigade in northern Israel.

According to army sources the brigade fired up to 20 phosphorus shells in a heavily built-up area around the Gaza township of Beit Lahiya, one of the worst hit areas of Gaza.

The internal inquiry – which the army says does not have the status of the full investigation demanded by human rights groups including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch – follows weeks of fighting in which Israel either denied outright that it was using phosphorus-based weapons, or insisted that what weapons it was using "were in line with international law".

Phosphorus is a toxic chemical agent that burns on contact with air and creates thick white smokes in order to hide troop movements. However phosphorus shells are largely indiscriminate scattering large numbers of fragments over a large area, which can cause severe damage to both human tissue and property.

As the Guardian reported yesterday, Palestinian doctors have reported treating dozens of cases of suspected phosphorus burns.

According to senior IDF officers, quoted today in the Ha'aretz newspaper, the Israeli military made use of two different types of phosphorus munitions.

The first, they insisted, was contained in 155mm artillery shells, and contained "almost no phosphorus" except for a trace to ignite the smoke screen.

The second munitions, at the centre of the inquiry by Col Alkalai, are standard phosphorus shells – both 88mm and 120mm – fired from mortars.

About 200 of these shells were fired during Israel's Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, and of these – say the IDF – 180 were fired on Hamas fighters and rocket launch crews in northern Gaza.

Alkalai is investigating the circumstances in which the remaining 20 shells were fired, amid compelling evidence on the ground that phosphorus munitions were involved in the attack on a UN warehouse and a UN school.

The mortar system is guided by GPS and according to Israel a failure of the targeting system may have been responsible for civilian deaths. However, critics point out the same explanation was used for mis-targeting deaths in Beit Hanoun in Gaza in 2006.

The brigade's officers, however, added that the shells were fired only at places that had been positively identified as sources of enemy fire.

The use of phosphorus as an incendiary weapon as it now appears to have been used against Hamas fighters – as opposed to a smoke screen – is covered by the Convention of Certain Conventional Weapons to which Israel in not a signatory.

However, Israel also is obliged under the Geneva Conventions and customary international humanitarian law to give due care to protecting the civilian population when deciding on appropriate military targeting and response to hostile fire, particularly in heavily built up areas with a strict prohibition on the use of indiscriminate force.

"They obviously could not have gone on denying the use of phosphorus," Donatella Rovera, Amnesty researcher for Israel and the Occupied Territories, told the Guardian yesterday. "There are still phosphorus wedges burning all over Gaza including at the UN compound and at the school.

"It is clear they are not using it as smoke screen as they claimed. They used it in areas where they had no forces, and there are much less problematic smoke screens that they could have used."

Amnesty on Monday warned that Israel could be guilty of war crimes, saying the use of the shells in a civilian areas was "clear and undeniable".

Rovera demanded too that Israel produce clear evidence that there were fighters in the areas it says its troops were fired upon when the phosphorus munitions were fired.

The admission that the shells may have been used improperly follows yesterday's demand by the UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon for an investigation into the targeting of UN facilities – including by phosphorus weapons.

It also follows the decision by the IDF to protect the names of battalion and brigade commanders who participated in Operation Cast Lead.

According to Israel Army Radio on Wednesday the decision – ordered by defence minister Ehud Barak – was made in anticipation that war crimes charges may be filed against IDF officers, who could face prosecution when they travel overseas.

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Postby Wolfie » January 26th, 2009, 3:04 pm

Atleast it's not depleted uranium like the US uses.

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Postby kurpal_v2 » January 26th, 2009, 4:44 pm

^ Inshan will save them

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Postby Maserati » January 26th, 2009, 7:22 pm

Israel hasn't seen a suicide attack in ages!!

as always they disregard international laws

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Postby robarri » January 26th, 2009, 10:27 pm

Depleated Uranium is Sweet! Especally when fired from the a10- Tank Killer GAU8 Gatling Gun! 3000 Rounds Per minute!

They (Isreal) have the right Idea IMO, Attack my people I level your country.

Swordfish Logic!

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Postby robarri » January 26th, 2009, 10:36 pm

You could imagine if we the people of Trini Decide to use the Swordfish Stratagey on the bandits!

Rob me

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Postby doc123 » January 27th, 2009, 11:22 am

So pioneer, if I walk into your house, beat you, your parents, the rest of your family and your dog up, then throw you out in the street, mash down yuh house, rebuild a house on the spot where your house was with the approval of the powers that be, while you watching on and crying in the corner (and dodging more licks from me with the approval of the powers that be), you can't complain because no one will listen to you, you living in a tent for years and watching me going in and out of your house and bringing in my family and friends....the question is: will you just stand by and cheer me on? or will you use any means necessary to get back your rights?

You need to learn some history about the middle east before you blabber your mouth, that way you might actually be able to give an educated opinion and not just comment stupidly.

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Postby [X]~Outlaw » January 27th, 2009, 11:23 am

pioneer wrote:Israel ftw!

+1

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Postby Maserati » January 27th, 2009, 11:32 am

retarded comments and views FTL

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Postby ray d saint » January 27th, 2009, 11:42 am

Maserati what going on with football... UEFA... when it starting back... :?

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Postby robarri » January 27th, 2009, 7:11 pm

Dock 123, sorry but it is you that need to learn your history.

Isreal wants to live peacefully, but if your nieghbours, Egypt, Palestine Lebanon etc have been trying to kill you since your country has been formed. you would fight back too!

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Postby robarri » January 27th, 2009, 7:13 pm

They just fight back a bit harder than everyone else!

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