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Pope Benedict to resign

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » February 11th, 2013, 7:32 am

CNN- The Vatican has confirmed that Pope Benedict has tendered his resignation in an unprecedented move. His resignation becomes effective on February 28th 2013.

This has not happened in 600 years.

The pope says health issues and age have made him unable to carry out his papal duties.

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby silent_riot » February 11th, 2013, 7:50 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/world ... .html?_r=0

ROME — Pope Benedict XVI, the former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger who took office in 2005 following the death of his predecessor, said on Monday that he will retire on Feb. 28, the first pope to do so in six centuries.

Regarded as a doctrinal conservative, the pope, 85, said that after examining his conscience “before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths, due to an advanced age, are longer suited to an adequate exercise” of his position as head of the world’s Roman Catholics.

The announcement is certain to plunge the Roman Catholic world into frenzied speculation about his likely successor and to evaluations of a papacy that was seen as both conservative and contentious.

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby VexXx Dogg » February 11th, 2013, 8:49 am

Interesting. Since this is so unusual, I wonder if there is any poliltics behind the scenes that may have prompted such action?

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby .:PROZAC:.. » February 11th, 2013, 9:06 am

Plot for Dan Brown's next novel?

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby Rooki3 » February 11th, 2013, 9:07 am

thought he touch ah youth

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby lostallos101 » February 11th, 2013, 9:38 am

well dats new...damn new long wait for the next one but Pope John Paul II battle it out thru his illness for the people, why he no do the same?

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Postby .:PROZAC:.. » February 11th, 2013, 10:02 am

from the wording of the release and the rumours, it seems he might be suffering from Alzheimer's. He just won't be capable of discharging his duties. Apparently he was going to retire even before taking up the office which he was still cardinal.

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby tourniquet » February 11th, 2013, 10:20 am

Honest question here, but why don't they ever nominate a relatively young pope :S Always have some wrinkly, holding on for dear life, looks like he smells like butter microwaved in a plastic container, old man :| I can understand that they have ranks to go through, but man it's always sad to see such a high ranking representation of the religion, looking like he's one pope mobile ride away from keeling over :(

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby TriP » February 11th, 2013, 10:38 am

time for a black pope.. :lol:

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby Habit7 » February 11th, 2013, 10:42 am

It is surprising me that in spite of how irreligious Europe is, this news is commanding so much attention.

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby .:PROZAC:.. » February 11th, 2013, 10:52 am

I understand what you're saying there Habit7. The faith he represents though still works on absolution and indulgences. Everything can be made right with enough prayer and confession. Sigh. The faith is just a symbol and a rite vs a relationship. So they're trying hard to preserve this. With a following with over 1 billion things should be in a better place. This is not Christianity.

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby redmanjp » February 11th, 2013, 11:40 am

hmmm.. paving way for Revelation fulfillment?

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby bluefete » February 11th, 2013, 5:58 pm

A signal from above? Lightning hits St Peter's hours after Pope Benedict stuns cardinals with first resignation in 600 years

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A sign from God? Lighting strikes the basilica of St.Peter's dome earlier this evening during a storm that struck Rome on the same day Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation

By Simon Tomlinson and Richard Hartley-parkinson

PUBLISHED: 11:01 GMT, 11 February 2013 | UPDATED: 20:48 GMT, 11 February 2013

The Catholic church was thrown into turmoil today after Pope Benedict XVI made the shock decision to quit the papacy because of his deteriorating health.

In a decision that has surprised even his closest aides, the 85-year-old Pontiff said his strength was 'no longer adequate to continue in office due to his advanced age'.

He announced his resignation in Latin to a meeting of Vatican cardinals this morning, saying he did not have the 'strength of mind and body' to continue leading more than a billion Roman Catholics worldwide.

The decision is unprecedented. He is the first Pope to resign since Gregory XII in 1415 and no Pontiff in history has stepped down on health grounds.

The move allows the Vatican to hold a conclave before Easter to elect a new pope, since the traditional mourning time that would follow the death of a Pontiff does not have to be observed.

There are several papal contenders, including Ghanaian Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson who is a front-runner to become the first black Pope.

Although officials said there had been no pressure for Benedict to resign, the internet is already awash with speculation that there was a more sinister reason behind his decision.

Speaking in one of the Vatican's state rooms, the Pope today told cardinals: 'After having repeatedly examined my conscience before God, I have come to the certainty that my strengths due to an advanced age are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry.

'I am well aware that this ministry, due to its essential spiritual nature, must be carried out not only by words and deeds but no less with prayer and suffering.

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Complete surprise: Several cardinals did not even understand what Benedict had said during the consistory and those who did were stunned, a Vatican spokesman said

'However, in today's world, subject to so many rapid changes and shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith, in order to govern the barque of St. Peter and proclaim the Gospel, both strength of mind and body are necessary - strengths which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me.'

Benedict, who at 78 became the oldest Pope in 300 years when he was elected in 2005, said he was making the decision in 'full freedom' but was 'fully aware of the gravity of this gesture'.

Several cardinals did not even understand what Benedict had said during the consistory, said the Reverend Federico Lombardi, the Vatican spokesman.

Others who did were stunned.

A cardinal who was at the meeting said: ‘We listened with a sense of incredulity as His Holiness told us of his decision to step down from the church that he so loves.’

In a hastily arranged and, at times, shambolic press conference this morning, Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi said: 'It’s taken us a bit by surprise. We’ve had to organise ourselves very quickly.

‘We’ve had no warning of what the Pope was about to announce. The declaration is crystal clear and we need to go through it word by word.

‘The Pope says that he looked in a personal way and had a deep moment of reflection to consider the mission that he had received from God.’

A Vatican spokesman said he will officially stand down at 8pm Rome time (7pm GMT) on February 28.

The Pontiff, who was known as 'God's rottweiler' because of his stern stand on theological issues, will then retire to the Pope's summer residence near Rome before returning to the Vatican to spend the rest of his life in cloistered accommodation.

As he begins his retirement, cardinals in Rome will begin the process of choosing a successor.

Although the Pope's announcement this morning came as a huge shock to his colleagues, there have been rumours about his health over the last few years.

The Vatican stressed that no specific medical condition prompted Benedict's decision, but in recent years, the Pope has slowed down significantly, cutting back his foreign travel and limiting his audiences.

He now goes to and from the altar in St Peter's Basilica on a moving platform, to spare him the long walk down the aisle.

Benedict has acknowledged having suffered a hemorrhagic stroke in 1991 that temporarily affected his vision, but he later made a full recovery.

In 2009, the Pope fell and suffered minor injuries when he broke one of his wrists while vacationing in the Alps.

A doctor familiar with the pope's medical team said the Pontiff has no grave or life-threatening illnesses.

But the doctor said, like many men his age, the Pope has suffered some prostate problems.

Beyond that, the Pope is simply old and tired, the doctor said on condition of anonymity.

The Pope, who also uses a walking cane, is also understood to be suffering from a degenerative joint disease.

In November 2011, Andrea Tornielli – a well-placed reporter from the Vatican Insider, a project run by La Stampa newspaper in Italy – said Pope Benedict found it agonising to walk even short distances due to 'arthrosis', thought to be an Italian term for osteoarthritis, in his knees, hips and ankles.

The condition forced him to pull out of a trip to Brazil in July.

Mr Tornielli said this was why the Pope began using a moving platform to address crowds during mass in St Peter’s Basilica.

There have also been reports that the Pope was struggling to read texts.

Dr Alan Silman, the medical director of Arthritis Research UK, said Pope Benedict most likely has osteoarthritis, which causes people to lose the cartilage at the end of their joints, making it difficult to move around without pain.

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Shock decision: Pope Benedict XVI announces his resignation during a meeting of Vatican cardinals today

He said: 'It would be painful for him to kneel while he's praying and could be excruciating when he tries to get up again.'

Joe Korner, a spokesman for Britain's Stroke Association, said having a mild stroke also could be a warning of a possible major stroke in the future.

'I would imagine the pope has been warned this could happen and that he should make some changes to his lifestyle,' Korner said, including reducing stress levels.

Benedict has previously stated that Popes who are unable to do their job because of ill health should step down.

His deterioration during the last few months has been particularly noticeable and, according to his brother, he has been considering stepping down for some time.

Georg Ratzinger, who still lives in the family's native Germany, said he had been having trouble walking and his age was weighing on him.

'At this age, my brother wants more rest,' he said adding that the doctor had warned him not to take any more transatlantic trips.

Despite Benedict being open with his family, he appears to have said little to cardinals and staff at the Vatican.

The decision to resign is highly unusual as the vast majority of incumbents die in office. He is the first pope to resign in 600 years.

The Most Rev Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Westminster and leader of Catholics in England and Wales called on 'people of faith' to pray for the 85-year-old pontiff, saying that his announcement had shown 'great courage.'

'Pope Benedict's announcement today has shocked and surprised everyone,' he said.

'Yet, on reflection, I am sure that many will recognise it to be a decision of great courage and characteristic clarity of mind and action.'

Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, who retired as Archbishop of Westminster in 2009, said: 'My reaction was one of surprise and then gratitude for his service and leadership of the Church over the past seven years in troubled times.

'He has been a great teacher, thinking particularly of his visit to Britain and the example he gave of being a Good Shepherd and a good pastor.'

The Most Rev Peter Smith, Archbishop of Southwark, said he had been 'quite taken aback' by the announcement.

'My first thought when I heard the news that he was resigning, my instinct was that it is because of his health and his frailty and he feels it is an incredibly responsible task to be the chief shepherd of the Church on earth,' he said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said she had the 'very highest respect' for his decision to step down.

'As chancellor, I thank Benedict XVI for his work and wish him from the bottom of my heart all the best for the coming years,' she said.

Merkel, who is a Protestant, praised Benedict for his efforts to promote dialogue with other Christian denominations and religions. She said that he 'reached out his hand to Jews as well as Muslims.'

New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan, tipped as an long-shot for the pope's replacement, said he was as startled as the rest of the world.

He said he felt a special bond with the pope because he was the one that appointed him archbishop of New York.

Senior political figures also paid tribute.

Prime Minister David Cameron, who met the Pontiff in Archbishop's House, near Westminster Cathedral in London on his visit to Britain in 2010, said: 'He has worked tirelessly to strengthen Britain's relations with the Holy See.

'His visit to Britain in 2010 is remembered with great respect and affection. He will be missed as a spiritual leader to millions.'

Labour leader Ed Miliband said Pope Benedict had made a 'brave' decision.

'Many people will remember his historic visit to the UK in 2010 - which was a very special moment for many, especially Catholics, across the country,' he said.

'His decision to stand down is a brave one and we know he will not have reached it lightly.

'The choice of a successor is clearly an important one for the Catholic Church.

'Our thoughts are with those who must make such a critical decision on behalf of millions around the world.'

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI when he took office at the age of 78 in April 2005.

He succeeded Pope John Paul II, who continued serving right up until his death despite suffering a number of health problems including cancer, osteoporosis and Parkinson's disease.

He also survived two assassination attempts, one of which left him severely injured.

Pope Benedict XVI's papacy has not been without controversy.

Most significantly were the child abuse scandals that have hounded most of his time in office.

In 2010, he was forced to apologise to victims of abuse by Irish Roman Catholic clergy, saying he was 'truly sorry' for their decades of suffering.

He rebuked Irish bishops for 'grave errors of judgment' in their handling of the scandal and ordered an investigation into the Irish Church, but he did not admit any Vatican responsibility for a cover-up.

He ordered an official inquiry into the abuse, which led to the resignation of several bishops in Ireland.

Benedict also served in the Hitler Youth during World War Two. Although membership was compulsory at the time, the issue dogged him through the early years of his papacy.

Throughout his career, he has also been viewed as a deeply conservative man who had headed up the Church's modern-day Inquisition.

However, once he took office he gained a reputation as a charming and shy man who won over many of his critics.

He was only the second non-Italian Pope since 1522 and the oldest on election since the 18th century.

He said after he was elected to the Papacy that he had prayed not to get the post and was hoping for a peaceful old age.

As the powerful Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he was already well-known within the Catholic world before his election to the top job.

His image on elevation to the Papacy was one of an enforcer of Catholic orthodoxy and a cerebral disciplinarian who was unafraid to crack down on liberals and dissidents within the church.

While Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), he gained the nickname 'God's Rottweiler' for his pursuit of Catholic theologians and clergy seen to stray from orthodox teaching.

His pronouncements before becoming Pope included labelling homosexuality a 'more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil' and saying rock music could be a 'vehicle of anti-religion'.

The Pope has also proved himself to be strongly against the ordination of women as priests, euthanasia, abortion and the use of artificial birth control.

Since his election as Pontiff his image has softened, leading him to be dubbed 'Benedict the Benign' in some quarters - but he has also attracted considerable controversy.

The Pope's 2009 visit to Africa was overshadowed by a row sparked by comments he made while flying to the continent in which he rejected condoms in the fight against Aids.

His decision in 2009 to lift the ex-communication on renegade English cleric Richard Williamson, who made comments suggesting only 200,000 to 300,000 Jews died in the Holocaust and none perished in gas chambers, also caused uproar.

The Pope later issued a letter expressing his regret about the damage the affair caused to relations with the Jewish community, saying he had not known about Williamson's stance on the Holocaust when he took the decision to lift the ex-communication.

One of his biggest setbacks also came on a visit to Germany in 2006 when he was caught in a firestorm of criticism from the Islamic world after giving a lecture at his old university of Regensburg.

Quoting from an obscure Medieval text, he cited the words of a Byzantine emperor who characterised some of the teachings of the Prophet Mohammed, Islam's founder, as 'evil and inhuman' - remarks that touched off widespread anger across the Muslim world.

The anger and violence sparked by his comments including attacks on seven churches in the West Bank and Gaza posed one of the biggest international crises involving the Vatican in decades.

In Somalia, gunmen killed an Italian nun and her bodyguard at the entrance of a hospital where she worked, in an attack that some feared was linked to the outrage over the Pope's remarks.

He later apologised, saying he was 'deeply sorry' about the angry reaction to his remarks about Islam and holy war, saying the text he quoted did not reflect his personal opinion.

But in September 2010, the Pope flew enjoyed a triumphant four-day state visit to Britain after which he declared that the UK had a thirst for Christianity.

In a final attack on the atheists who tried to wreck the visit, Benedict XVI said that the country has become ‘a highly secularised environment’.

His speech was the culmination of a tour aimed at re-evangelising a country he believes has slipped away from its Christian roots.

The popularity of his visit confounded opponents who predicted thin congregations and empty parks.

In December, he joined Twitter to spread his message to more of his 1.2billion followers through the internet.

The Pope was made Archbishop of Munich and Freising in 1977 after a career as a university professor.

He was born in the village of Marktl am Inn in Bavaria - he explained on a visit to Germany after his election 'my heart beats Bavarian'.

His formative years coincided with the lifespan of the Third Reich. His family opposed National Socialism but did not participate in public resistance to the Nazis.

He was forced against his will into Hitler Youth at the age of 14 and into the Wehrmacht at 16, serving in an anti-aircraft unit before deserting towards the end of the war.

He was once viewed as a progressive within the Catholic Church and played a key role in the reforming Vatican II, the meeting between 1963 and 1965 that introduced sweeping reforms to the church.

It is believed that his experience of Marxist unrest amongst students in the theology faculty in Tubingen, southern Germany, in 1968 where he was a professor contributed to his conservative outlook.

In private, the Pope is known to be an accomplished pianist and a lover of Mozart.

He is also a cat lover and, as Cardinal Ratzinger, was known to have looked after stray cats in Rome.





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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby maj. tom » February 11th, 2013, 6:05 pm

^^
As with all tall buildings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning_rod#Lightning_protection_system

Lightning would strike these points several times on buildings during any weather that produces lightning. Empire State building is probably the best example in popular media.

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby kurpal_v2 » February 11th, 2013, 6:10 pm

Soooooo pope retirement all inclusive?

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby hustla_ambition101 » February 11th, 2013, 6:20 pm

bluefete, you still believing the chit you read on dailymail.co.uk

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby sharkman121 » February 11th, 2013, 6:30 pm

bluefete who d ass reading all dat?

somebody summarize that thesis in 2 lines nah.. :?

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby foss » February 11th, 2013, 6:39 pm

it was actually a good read.

Some of what I read in the post, I saw on TV earlier.

When he was in Hitler's youth army, etc..

All the best to him and the pope to be.

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby link » February 11th, 2013, 7:46 pm

VexXx Dogg wrote:Interesting. Since this is so unusual, I wonder if there is any poliltics behind the scenes that may have prompted such action?

always the case...don't look far :wink:

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby brams112 » February 11th, 2013, 8:12 pm

sharkman121 wrote:bluefete who d ass reading all dat?

somebody summarize that thesis in 2 lines nah.. :?

Ah sick :( cah make it again :cry: allyuh run the show now :cry: oh an remember dont touch bois.

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby FugiTECH » February 11th, 2013, 8:45 pm

I smell a South Park Episode on this

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby bluefete » February 11th, 2013, 8:50 pm

hustla_ambition101 wrote:bluefete, you still believing the chit you read on dailymail.co.uk


Look, at least the DM has consistency. So what if I had posted it from the NYTimes or WSJournal? Would that have given it any more credence?

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Postby maj. tom » February 11th, 2013, 9:12 pm

^ yes. and yes. not just credibility, the quality of journalism and standards.

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Postby sharkman121 » February 11th, 2013, 9:14 pm

brams112 wrote:
sharkman121 wrote:bluefete who d ass reading all dat?

somebody summarize that thesis in 2 lines nah.. :?

Ah sick :( cah make it again :cry: allyuh run the show now :cry: oh an remember dont touch bois.


:lol:

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby axe » February 11th, 2013, 9:21 pm

In comes Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman) as prophesized by Saint Malachy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

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Postby axe » February 11th, 2013, 9:22 pm

In comes Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman) as prophesized by Saint Malachy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby hustla_ambition101 » February 11th, 2013, 9:37 pm

bluefete wrote:
hustla_ambition101 wrote:bluefete, you still believing the chit you read on dailymail.co.uk


Look, at least the DM has consistency. So what if I had posted it from the NYTimes or WSJournal? Would that have given it any more credence?


I've seen more credibility and consistency in a bowl of cake batter

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby sMASH » February 11th, 2013, 10:30 pm

i thought that that was a pretty cool move;he can't do the work so he gives it up to some one who can. if other people in this country did that, all kinda ting could have happened, like panday could have been we president

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Re: Pope Benedict to resign

Postby pioneer » February 11th, 2013, 10:46 pm

wow...so aside all these moronic speculations...couldn't the guy just be too old and can't go on anymore? (as he said)

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