600 lose jobs at Arcelor Mital

[De Dragon]

Clearly it's never the employer's fault.

Yes, but when obstructionist union idiots involved, it usually hastens the demise.

Steel in a mess generally though. Mittal would have closed regardless. Mittal already laid off people locally despite the presence of a union. Problem is on both sides. Can't just blame Union alone.

Never said they were solely to blame, but the work ethic, safety at Arcelor Mittal is horrible. This leads to worker apathy and demotivation, but when you have a union encouraging the irresponsible behaviour by defending insubordination, high absenteeism, etc, well nobody wins as we can tell.

A lot of idiots on this topic sah. Apparently they heard the other side of the story not knowing that ampl created Arcelormittal tru subsidies, cheap labour. Not once the topic of acquisitions came into your elaborate minds from 1plant in pt Lisas to over 100 plants globally or never was price transfer mentioned...
Admin staff would've gone home with one or 2mths pay..... Not 50 k but less than 18k and a person with 36 year s service would go home with less than 30k. Excluding vacation and the court judgement . One worker lost over 700k cus of a judgment awarded and company went into liquidation...and
over 2000contract workers would have benefitted from that landmark judgement.

I don't know where people get this sheit about AMPL launching Mittal While it was one of the first plants that he bought, the strategy of buying up old, failing or mothballed plants is common not only in steel, but many other industries.

[zoom rader]

^^^ take no notice of those clowns, most never even worked in heavy industry much less they don't even know where Pt Lisas is.

You think they ever step foot in Mittal, they will probably run and bawl when they hear steel arcing.

[src1983]

I guess y'all right on this one. Spoke to someone in management who was employed at arcelor. They said the union there wasn't willing to work with the company. Excuses like "not within job spec" were used. No willingness to compromise in terms of working with the company to accept any pay cuts via different methods.

Person also said that what mittal did was unethical though. How not every person was in the union so they got a raw deal by the abrupt pull out.

Same thing where I work, you work like you walking on eggshells, You actually have to sit at your desk and think how to talk to union members.

Some just do what on their job spec and you can't place the following "Assist the department where necessary" The good thing about my company though is that there are few employees like that and most are willing to help and assist everyone. Even the union rep advises how to take action against delinquent employees.

[joker]

Nothing about pay cuts or compromise was mentioned in the meetings also in mittal if u do something other than what u were trained for more than likely would be fatal or that person would be seriously injured .

[EmilioA]

I guess y'all right on this one. Spoke to someone in management who was employed at arcelor. They said the union there wasn't willing to work with the company. Excuses like "not within job spec" were used. No willingness to compromise in terms of working with the company to accept any pay cuts via different methods.

Person also said that what mittal did was unethical though. How not every person was in the union so they got a raw deal by the abrupt pull out.

Most of the money AM owes is to other AM companies. How the union responsible for that ? Looks like shady accounting, Now that they want to pull they using debt that they never bother about before as an excuse to shut down.

[joker]

Come nah man blame the union or the workers...don't post the truth.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

I guess y'all right on this one. Spoke to someone in management who was employed at arcelor. They said the union there wasn't willing to work with the company. Excuses like "not within job spec" were used. No willingness to compromise in terms of working with the company to accept any pay cuts via different methods.

Person also said that what mittal did was unethical though. How not every person was in the union so they got a raw deal by the abrupt pull out.

Most of the money AM owes is to other AM companies. How the union responsible for that ? Looks like shady accounting, Now that they want to pull they using debt that they never bother about before as an excuse to shut down.

Well I guess that's why they said mittal unethical as well. Just giving actual feedback from someone inside Mittal as opposed to giving and outside view all the time.

[EmilioA]

I guess y'all right on this one. Spoke to someone in management who was employed at arcelor. They said the union there wasn't willing to work with the company. Excuses like "not within job spec" were used. No willingness to compromise in terms of working with the company to accept any pay cuts via different methods.

Person also said that what mittal did was unethical though. How not every person was in the union so they got a raw deal by the abrupt pull out.

Most of the money AM owes is to other AM companies. How the union responsible for that ? Looks like shady accounting, Now that they want to pull they using debt that they never bother about before as an excuse to shut down.

Well I guess that's why they said mittal unethical as well. Just giving actual feedback from someone inside Mittal as opposed to giving and outside view all the time.

yeah but --if AM being unethical why was it the union's burden to accept all the cuts ? Any of the management take any salary cuts ? You should ask that to your inside source.

[joker]

Did your inside source tell u that the marketing department had no power and that orders were sent from Costa Rica for Point lisas to produce ?

[jhonnieblue]

In almost all multinational companies production orders are issued from outside trini..usually wherever their parent company based...local management just ensure reliability and efficiency are at the highest levels....the maker ting department job was just to direct which shipments go where...
Yes management did not take cuts..but i dont know a single multinational company that doesn't have highly paid management

[joker]

The guys at Costa Rica helped mittal lose his North American markets. Kudos to them. The Brazilian management came to Trinidad and made sure the demise was priority.

[De Dragon]

Nothing about pay cuts or compromise was mentioned in the meetings also in mittal if u do something other than what u were trained for more than likely would be fatal or that person would be seriously injured .

Not saying AM could not have acted more in good faith, but the unions/workers would never allow the kinds of things that would enable a struggling company to survive. I'm sure that no one asks anyone to do anything unsafe or for which they are not trained, but the "job spec" mind set is counter-productive and not best practice.

[desifemlove]

How big was this plant, compared to their overseas operations? Could it be that the T&T was small, and not worth having? it bad to see people lose jobs, but perspective is key here, eh? most global firms does retract the smaller plant, and keep the bigger ones.

And people saying "dey did buy ting in Iran!" yes, they did, but this was an iron ore mine. where do people tink steel does come from? Even if the steel market is depressed, no reason why not to secure a major raw material deposit for current and future operations.

This imho is unfortunate, but then it's called globalisation, get over it.

[desifemlove]

even big countries like the USA have this..... http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt ... 1ce0f.html

[De Dragon]

How big was this plant, compared to their overseas operations? Could it be that the T&T was small, and not worth having? it bad to see people lose jobs, but perspective is key here, eh? most global firms does retract the smaller plant, and keep the bigger ones.

And people saying "dey did buy ting in Iran!" yes, they did, but this was an iron ore mine. where do people tink steel does come from? Even if the steel market is depressed, no reason why not to secure a major raw material deposit for current and future operations.

This imho is unfortunate, but then it's called globalisation, get over it.

It is a pretty sizable integrated steel mill complete with port and 3 DRI modules, so shutting it down was definitely not a knee jerk reaction.

[joker]

Dragon , do you know the union never lost a case against mittal for over 7 yrs? Also u have no clue of what is/was going on .

[joker]

Mittal exported over 1m tons of DRI every year up to 2015 with prices of US $600-675 billets 400000 tons around same price ...wire rods 300000 tons US$500-600 every year...cost of production US650m.....

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Did your inside source tell u that the marketing department had no power and that orders were sent from Costa Rica for Point lisas to produce ?

Nah. We eh talk da long in TGI and to be honest I was just small talking so didn't have detailed specific questions like this one. Better thing though would be for you to post up details of what you know. The one liners don't paint a clear enough picture of what went on in Mittal.

[joker]

If I have to go deeper than what I have already posted then I can't help u understand.

[Dizzy28]

Dragon , do you know the union never lost a case against mittal for over 7 yrs? Also u have no clue of what is/was going on .

Given that Trinidad has a pro employee Industrial Court this isn't surprising.

[joker]

Even with judges appointed from The ECA?

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

If I have to go deeper than what I have already posted then I can't help u understand.

Wasn't for my understanding.

[kjaglal76v2]

cheer up joker, you go find a wuk somewey man

[joker]

Dais not the problem ...I just lost over 750k with the closure

[De Dragon]

Dragon , do you know the union never lost a case against mittal for over 7 yrs? Also u have no clue of what is/was going on .

What I know is that Mittal packed their sheit up and left.

Mittal exported over 1m tons of DRI every year up to 2015 with prices of US $600-675 billets 400000 tons around same price ...wire rods 300000 tons US$500-600 every year...cost of production US650m.....

And the price is now $180-190 USD, so what adjustments have they made? Even selling value added products like wire rod and billets and they couldn't be profitable?

[joker]

K , leave work now

[joker]

U go reach home early

[joker]

[De Dragon]

There were 40 people if so much, and the popo was out in full force. Protest all you want, but don't disrupt gainfully employed people from going to work.

[sMASH]

I share that same sentiment at any roadblock