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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

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Postby Ripe Chenette » May 7th, 2022, 1:12 am

With the way dis country going they should pay citizens for choosing to stay here.

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Postby shake d livin wake d dead » May 7th, 2022, 5:42 am

So the question now is......when it starting?‽?

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Postby De Dragon » May 7th, 2022, 6:41 am

shake d livin wake d dead wrote:So the question now is......when it starting?‽?

Depends on how badly Liver Spots Impsy need money for projects :roll:

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby computercentral » May 7th, 2022, 6:47 am

Well well I starting with a 15k payment I guess towards the fund didn’t full out anything

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby PariaMan » May 7th, 2022, 10:15 am

So if it start now households will be paying but not businesses

But businesses using same resources as households

So households will be subsidizing businesses

Imbert really know how to see about himself

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » May 7th, 2022, 10:42 am

PariaMan wrote:So if it start now households will be paying but not businesses

But businesses using same resources as households

So households will be subsidizing businesses

Imbert really know how to see about himself
Yet yall gonna put him back there in 2025, politicians see about financiers first and rest of the population last

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » May 7th, 2022, 10:50 am

Sorry for the ppl that renting their rent just increased without them knowing it

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby The_Honourable » May 16th, 2022, 4:46 pm

Imbert: Property Tax to be implemented before Dec 31

Finance Minister Colm Imbert has confirmed that citizens can expect Property Tax to be implemented before December 31, 2022.

“Barring unforeseen circumstances, the implementation of property tax is expected to commence in calendar year 2022,” was Minister Imbert’s initial response to Couva South MP Rudranath Indarsingh's question on when citizens can expect the exercise.

However when further pressed by his colleague Barataria/ San Juan MP Saddam Hosein in the Parliament this afternoon as to “which month in calendar 2022 that Government intends to implement the property tax,” Minister Imbert noted:

“Before the 31st of December 2022.”

Asked whether Government was giving any consideration to persons who did not submit their forms to waive the $5000 fine, Minister Imbert noted that there was ‘relevant information’ in the public domain, “whether the State can waive the fine or not.”
Asked whether the tax would be implemented in both residential and commercial properties, Minister Imbert noted:

“At this stage, it’s residential which is consistent with the Government’s policy to put Regional Corporations in funds because the Local Government reform packet before the Parliament makes it crystal clear that upon approval of that legislation by the Parliament, the collection and retention of residential property tax will be for the account of Regional Corporations- part of our reform process.”

Source: https://tt.loopnews.com/content/imbert- ... ted-dec-31

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby gastly369 » May 16th, 2022, 4:56 pm

hover11 wrote:
PariaMan wrote:So if it start now households will be paying but not businesses

But businesses using same resources as households

So households will be subsidizing businesses

Imbert really know how to see about himself
Yet yall gonna put him back there in 2025, politicians see about financiers first and rest of the population last
Bring it on yes.... Ready to see everything burn right about now

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Postby sMASH » May 16th, 2022, 5:15 pm

hover11 wrote:Sorry for the ppl that renting their rent just increased without them knowing it

they vote for dat... them mc!!

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Rayden6 » May 16th, 2022, 6:55 pm

Tax above sea level then come on the ground

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » May 16th, 2022, 7:16 pm

Some people not paying their HDC mortgage for years, some not paying their HDC rent for years....the government really think these same ppl gonna pay property tax hmmm wierd

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » May 16th, 2022, 7:39 pm

hover11 wrote:Some people not paying their HDC mortgage for years, some not paying their HDC rent for years....the government really think these same ppl gonna pay property tax hmmm wierd


Seems like you're unaware, tenants of rented apartments aren't responsible for property taxes. Neither are persons with mortgages, the taxes are added to the mortgage amount and the bank pays it.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby hover11 » May 16th, 2022, 7:49 pm

88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Some people not paying their HDC mortgage for years, some not paying their HDC rent for years....the government really think these same ppl gonna pay property tax hmmm wierd


Seems like you're unaware, tenants of rented apartments aren't responsible for property taxes. Neither are persons with mortgages, the taxes are added to the mortgage amount and the bank pays it.
Who is this really targeted towards sins? When the majority of home owners in this country are pensioners who are exempted

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby DMan7 » May 16th, 2022, 7:55 pm

How much y'all think rent going to go up? By 25%?

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby bluefete » May 16th, 2022, 8:35 pm

DMan7 wrote:How much y'all think rent going to go up? By 25%?


The full cost of the property tax and then some.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby bluefete » May 16th, 2022, 8:42 pm

hover11 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Some people not paying their HDC mortgage for years, some not paying their HDC rent for years....the government really think these same ppl gonna pay property tax hmmm wierd


Seems like you're unaware, tenants of rented apartments aren't responsible for property taxes. Neither are persons with mortgages, the taxes are added to the mortgage amount and the bank pays it.
Who is this really targeted towards sins? When the majority of home owners in this country are pensioners who are exempted


Do not get tied up with this. A pensioner being exempted does not mean that the tax is not due. It is just deferred.

When they die, the estate will have to pay the back taxes. Property Tax Act - Part IV - Sections 23-27.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby bluefete » May 16th, 2022, 8:49 pm

Section 45: - Where the state can thief your land after 16 years is what people should be concerned about.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Chimera » May 16th, 2022, 8:50 pm

Hdc does actually evict people who don't pay their hdc mortgage and payments?

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Postby redmanjp » May 16th, 2022, 8:59 pm

Phone Surgeon wrote:Hdc does actually evict people who don't pay their hdc mortgage and payments?


depending on who they does vote for, maybe.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby zoom rader » May 16th, 2022, 9:09 pm

bluefete wrote:Section 45: - Where the state can thief your land after 16 years is what people should be concerned about.
Red government jackasses vote for dat.

Let dem take bull

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby paid_influencer » May 16th, 2022, 9:23 pm

bluefete wrote:Section 45: - Where the state can thief your land after 16 years is what people should be concerned about.


this IS concerning

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby bluefete » May 16th, 2022, 9:27 pm

redmanjp wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:Hdc does actually evict people who don't pay their hdc mortgage and payments?


depending on who they does vote for, maybe.


Once you have a PNM party card, yuh safe (for now).

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby bluefete » May 16th, 2022, 9:30 pm

paid_influencer wrote:
bluefete wrote:Section 45: - Where the state can thief your land after 16 years is what people should be concerned about.


this IS concerning


Very much so because they could stall you for 16 years (via no assessment) and then thief the land.

45. (1) Any land which for a period of sixteen years has
been unoccupied and unassessed, and upon which during such
period, no taxes have been paid, shall be liable to be forfeited to
the State.

(2) The President may, by warrant under his hand,
reciting that such land has been unoccupied and unassessed for a
period of sixteen years, and that no taxes have been paid thereon
during such period, order that such land be forfeited to the State,
and thereupon such land and building shall be forfeited
accordingly and shall vest in the State in absolute dominion,
free and discharged from all rights, estates, interests, equities,
and claims of any other person.

(3) The President shall not issue or sign a warrant under
this section unless the Board has first certified under its hand that
such land has, for the full period of sixteen years next preceding
the date of such certificate, been unoccupied and unassessed and
that no taxes have been paid thereon during such period and
unless the Commissioner of State Lands on such certificate has
caused a notice to be published in the Gazette and in one
newspaper published on at least three occasions and circulating
in Trinidad and Tobago that unless any person can show good
cause to the contrary before a date to be mentioned in such
notice, and which shall not be earlier than twenty-eight days after
the issue of such notice, such land will be forfeited.

(4) The President may decide upon any claim which
may be made to any land which may be advertised as so liable to
forfeiture, and may make such order in relation thereto as he may
think fit.

46. (1) Any petition for the re-grant of any land
forfeited under this Act, or of any interest therein, or for any
allowance in respect of any right or interest in any such forfeited
land sold, shall be addressed to the President and shall be
delivered to the office of the Commissioner of State Lands.

(2) The President may, where he thinks fit, refer a
petition under subsection (1), to the Commissioner of State
Lands or the Board, Appeal Board or other person with
directions to report thereon.

(3) The person to whom any such petition is referred
may take such evidence as he may think proper in order to enable
him to make his report.

(4) Evidence under subsection (3) may be given either
viva voce or by statutory declaration.
Re-grant of
land forfeited.
MINISTRY OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND LEGAL AFFAIRS www.legalaffairs.gov.tt UNOFFICIAL VERSION
UPDATED TO 31ST DECEMBER 2016
Property Tax Chap. 76:04 25
LAWS OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
L.R.O.

(5) In the case of evidence given viva voce the witness
before giving evidence shall make the following declaration:
“I declare that the evidence which I have given in this
matter shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
the truth.”.

(6) Any witness who, having made such
declaration, makes as part of his evidence any assertion as to any
matter of fact, opinion, or belief which is false and which he
knows or believes to be false or does not believe to be true,
commits an offence and is liable on conviction on indictment to
a fine of five thousand dollars

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby adnj » May 16th, 2022, 9:50 pm

^^ Government gonna grab land from the land grabbers that grabbed government land.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby 88sins » May 16th, 2022, 9:53 pm

hover11 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Some people not paying their HDC mortgage for years, some not paying their HDC rent for years....the government really think these same ppl gonna pay property tax hmmm wierd


Seems like you're unaware, tenants of rented apartments aren't responsible for property taxes. Neither are persons with mortgages, the taxes are added to the mortgage amount and the bank pays it.
Who is this really targeted towards sins? When the majority of home owners in this country are pensioners who are exempted

First off, being a pensioner does not equate to automatic exemption or deferral. They still have to pay it, and if they want to defer it then they must apply to request said deferral, and it's not guaranteed that a deferral will be granted. Young, old, rich, poor, and everybody who owns land or a building whether you own the land or not, has a tax liability.

But to answer your question
This property tax was conceived with only one purpose in mind.
To extort the widest cross section of the population into paying the state large sums of money for absolutely zero benefit to the taxpayer.

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby zoom rader » May 16th, 2022, 10:03 pm

88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:
88sins wrote:
hover11 wrote:Some people not paying their HDC mortgage for years, some not paying their HDC rent for years....the government really think these same ppl gonna pay property tax hmmm wierd


Seems like you're unaware, tenants of rented apartments aren't responsible for property taxes. Neither are persons with mortgages, the taxes are added to the mortgage amount and the bank pays it.
Who is this really targeted towards sins? When the majority of home owners in this country are pensioners who are exempted

First off, being a pensioner does not equate to automatic exemption or deferral. They still have to pay it, and if they want to defer it then they must apply to request said deferral, and it's not guaranteed that a deferral will be granted. Young, old, rich, poor, and everybody who owns land or a building whether you own the land or not, has a tax liability.

But to answer your question
This property tax was conceived with only one purpose in mind.
To extort the widest cross section of the population into paying the state large sums of money for absolutely zero benefit to the taxpayer.
It was designed to limit injun ownership on lands

Injun tax

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby Kronik » May 16th, 2022, 10:23 pm

bluefete wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:
bluefete wrote:Section 45: - Where the state can thief your land after 16 years is what people should be concerned about.


this IS concerning


Very much so because they could stall you for 16 years (via no assessment) and then thief the land.

45. (1) Any land which for a period of sixteen years has
been unoccupied and unassessed, and upon which during such
period, no taxes have been paid, shall be liable to be forfeited to
the State.

(2) The President may, by warrant under his hand,
reciting that such land has been unoccupied and unassessed for a
period of sixteen years, and that no taxes have been paid thereon
during such period, order that such land be forfeited to the State,
and thereupon such land and building shall be forfeited
accordingly and shall vest in the State in absolute dominion,
free and discharged from all rights, estates, interests, equities,
and claims of any other person.

(3) The President shall not issue or sign a warrant under
this section unless the Board has first certified under its hand that
such land has, for the full period of sixteen years next preceding
the date of such certificate, been unoccupied and unassessed and
that no taxes have been paid thereon during such period and
unless the Commissioner of State Lands on such certificate has
caused a notice to be published in the Gazette and in one
newspaper published on at least three occasions and circulating
in Trinidad and Tobago that unless any person can show good
cause to the contrary before a date to be mentioned in such
notice, and which shall not be earlier than twenty-eight days after
the issue of such notice, such land will be forfeited.

(4) The President may decide upon any claim which
may be made to any land which may be advertised as so liable to
forfeiture, and may make such order in relation thereto as he may
think fit.

46. (1) Any petition for the re-grant of any land
forfeited under this Act, or of any interest therein, or for any
allowance in respect of any right or interest in any such forfeited
land sold, shall be addressed to the President and shall be
delivered to the office of the Commissioner of State Lands.

(2) The President may, where he thinks fit, refer a
petition under subsection (1), to the Commissioner of State
Lands or the Board, Appeal Board or other person with
directions to report thereon.

(3) The person to whom any such petition is referred
may take such evidence as he may think proper in order to enable
him to make his report.

(4) Evidence under subsection (3) may be given either
viva voce or by statutory declaration.
Re-grant of
land forfeited.
MINISTRY OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND LEGAL AFFAIRS http://www.legalaffairs.gov.tt UNOFFICIAL VERSION
UPDATED TO 31ST DECEMBER 2016
Property Tax Chap. 76:04 25
LAWS OF TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO
L.R.O.

(5) In the case of evidence given viva voce the witness
before giving evidence shall make the following declaration:
“I declare that the evidence which I have given in this
matter shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
the truth.”.

(6) Any witness who, having made such
declaration, makes as part of his evidence any assertion as to any
matter of fact, opinion, or belief which is false and which he
knows or believes to be false or does not believe to be true,
commits an offence and is liable on conviction on indictment to
a fine of five thousand dollars
So are they doing land assessments right now? I know they had stopped doing it a long time ago

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Re: Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

Postby The_Honourable » May 16th, 2022, 11:49 pm

This was normal during colonial days. I have seen examples from the 1940s and 1950s of "Warrants of Forfeiture" by the "Governor & Intendant of Crown Lands" being issued where thousands of acres of private land all over trinidad were seized and went back to the Crown (now state lands) for not paying 2+ years of tax.

Lots of private lands in unpopulated areas or "the bush" ripe for the picking under this new property tax.

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