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A motion of no confidence..

Postby bluesclues » October 28th, 2016, 4:48 am

In this finance minister. The removal of liver spots is an expensive procedure, and is mr burns a character on the simpsons or a member of the tt government?

Imbert doesnt understand economic management, and will destroy this country's economy faster and worse than the unc ever could. The first step to saving this country.. or at least, staving off econmic disaster, is to force impbert into retirement where he can focus his energies on running his highly reputable private business.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20161027 ... d-to-court

The Courier Association of Trinidad and Tobago (CATT) is contemplating taking the government to court over the recently implemented 7 per cent online tax, which it describes as nonsensical and unfair. 

And, CATT president Paul Pantin says there has already been a decrease in shipments as both customers and businesses are unhappy with the new tax. 

The tax went into effect on October 20 and applies to goods shipped via air freight. 

Responding to questions via email, Pantin said the Association's aim is to have the tax repealed.

But he remained tight-lipped on when court action will be filed, saying only that the couriers are keeping their options open. 

He said couriers are still unclear as to how the tax is to be applied and it is causing some confusion. 

“As usual there isn't clear guidance to the Customs officers, and too much individual interpretation on how this tax is to be applied. The onus has been placed on the Couriers to decide what the tax is applicable to, and then the individual officer, plays judge, jury and executioner thereafter. We need a complete overhaul of Customs, and proper implementation of the existing taxes. What we don't need is another tax and more confusion.” 

Pantin said online shopping is a growing industry which needs proper regulation rather than new taxes. 

“The Minister mislead us with bogus figures on online purchases, with unsubstantiated figures, as an excuse to go after the only growing business in Trinidad. Instead of trying to regulate it properly and move the country into the 21st century, his myopic view of the economy will kill it.” 

And with decreases in shipments, he said ultimately the State will lose too. 

“CAL and TT Post will lose revenue as a result, so the end result of the tax will be negative to the government and to the country.”

 Pantin expressed dissatisfaction with the lack consultation with couriers before the tax was implemented.

 “The Minister should have consulted with us if he was truly interested in helping the country,” he said.

 “We as a population need to remind our politicians (on both sides) that they work for us, the country of all, not just a few.

 He added that the tax had implications for many people and small businesses who utilise online couriers for more than just purchasing “shoes and clothes”.

 He said persons now have to shell out 7 per cent more for medical supplies, lifesaving drugs, car parts for foreign used cars, farm equipment and parts, school supplies, books, teaching aids etc, which many purchase online.



We must rid this country of the pnm. They will destroy us all to empower themselves. They do not listen. They do not care about the population's opinion. They have alluded time and time again that the public is stupid in their view. And forever, keep the poor down by giving them a fish when hungry, so that they can come back and ask for another when hungry again, instead of giving them the tools and training to do their own fishing. Every time they in power is inflation and loss of value and rising prices. Not to mention crime. As this year the crime rate has already doubled.

Save yourselves trinidad. Dont vote pnm ever again in life as long as these old fogies are still in the party. We need 2 new parties. One for government and one for opposition.

I thus retract my recommendation and support for the pnm in any position of government, including the opposition. This applies to all ministers within their authoritarian structure.

Let me also be the first to voice my support and encouragement for any intervention that can be applied by our president. And let's also remember to support President Carmona for the renewal of his post and not be hoodwinked into having a pnm mole appointed to the president's seat.


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Homer J Simpson.
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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby hong kong phooey » October 28th, 2016, 4:54 am

Dear Mr Simpson.
No
The Colon is the leader of the Pmn. Do you really think if he went up as leader, the Pmn would be in power.
Our PM is just a figure head.

yes I know I Actually spell his name correct since he is full of sheit. and i know that party is incorrect since the system seems like one horror story.
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Postby bluesclues » October 28th, 2016, 4:57 am

hong kong phooey wrote:Dear Mr Simpson.
No
The Colon is the leader of the Pmn. Do you really think if he went up as leader, the Pmn would be in power.
Our PM is just a figure head.


We know. We can see it. Beta rowley is a stand-in and colm running the country because...rowley is... incapable.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Redman » October 28th, 2016, 6:00 am

Mr Burns.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
that just perfect
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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Kalisnakov » October 28th, 2016, 7:22 am

Inside for the revolution......

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby make meh care » October 28th, 2016, 7:55 am

This not only applies to taxes it goes for every aspect of the country. We economy done dead and they have no clue what to do as a government. But nobody would not say nothing now as with this government but if it was another party they would cried wof ,sheep and everything else. Wait this property tax hit the fan and then see the splatter it will make on everyone.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Trinispougla » October 28th, 2016, 9:10 am

make meh care wrote:This not only applies to taxes it goes for every aspect of the country. We economy done dead and they have no clue what to do as a government. But nobody would not say nothing now as with this government but if it was another party they would cried wof ,sheep and everything else. Wait this property tax hit the fan and then see the splatter it will make on everyone.

Breds de recession is ending in the third quarter of next year. Every economists is saying so. Come with some facts instead of making these nonsensical emotional statements that you can't substantiate

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby make meh care » October 28th, 2016, 9:40 am

Trinispougla wrote:
make meh care wrote:This not only applies to taxes it goes for every aspect of the country. We economy done dead and they have no clue what to do as a government. But nobody would not say nothing now as with this government but if it was another party they would cried wof ,sheep and everything else. Wait this property tax hit the fan and then see the splatter it will make on everyone.

Breds de recession is ending in the third quarter of next year. Every economists is saying so. Come with some facts instead of making these nonsensical emotional statements that you can't substantiate

how about you post the facts about the economist and stuff since you no better than me in posting

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby make meh care » October 28th, 2016, 10:36 am


Ayy fadda that is a prediction not facts

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Slartibartfast » October 28th, 2016, 11:18 am

Trinispougla wrote:Breds de recession is ending in the third quarter of next year. Every economists is saying so. Come with some facts instead of making these nonsensical emotional statements that you can't substantiate
TIL Trinidad and Tobago has only one economist.

BTW, why did he say that "T&T’s economic recession will continue until the third quarter of 2017" and not that it would end by the 4th quarter of 2017.

What you said implies that the recession would be over in a year's time.

What he says just seems to guarantee that we have at least a year of recession left and after that, we, who knows.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby VexXx Dogg » October 28th, 2016, 11:23 am

He also said we can't rely on the same equation to balance the sheet.
i.e pray to oil or gas gods to make it rain black gold to prop the economy.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Trinispougla » October 28th, 2016, 11:33 am

Predictions are based on trends. I.E Things will stay as they are if the the present environment remains. The market is coming back into balance which always happens with oil and gas simply because it is the lifeblood of industry. It reached a low of 25 dollars last year and now it is just over fifty and the trend would stop when it is in equilibrium. So for example OPEC has decided to cut production, hasn't happened as yet but agreements have been signed so it is virtually sure to happen. In addition to that, the gas fields of angelin and juniper are supposed to come on stream next year This is supposed to provide growth for the next two-three years which is why BP and the government are trying to come to an agreement over a new taxing regiment, because they know that beyond this period, we could reach the same reality we are in now. The recession's causes are not only low prices. It is also decreased production. Trinidad produced record amounts of gas in 2005-2008. This is the reason why we didn't feel the effects of the 2008 great recession. The price during that period dropped to similar precipitous levels but we didnt feel it. In addition there was greater demand. The big boy in our economy is actually hydrocarbons and its applications(urea, methanol etc.). With the new fields coming on stream, it would ease the constrictions that atlantic, methanex, etc are under now, if not temporarily. BP and the GORTT are also in discussions with the venezuelan government to acess their gas at preferential rates. This is something that has been spoken about for decades, since williams days, but only now seeing that our fields are maturing has it really been pursued.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby bluesclues » October 28th, 2016, 12:18 pm

So when they say the recession end. What that mean?

Our currency will go back to 6.20 to 1?
We will get pay raises and an increase in the minimum wage?
We will see a reduction in the cost of food and fuel?
Any or all of the above?

What's the bottom line? A temporary rise in the oil market that will offset concurrent quarters of decline. That is all it is. And now long will it last before we back min recession again?

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby rspann » October 28th, 2016, 12:24 pm

When is Tuner parliament day? I want to make a vote of no confidence in Duane. He is alleged to have taken money from Rahtid to dissapear Daas thread.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Trinispougla » October 28th, 2016, 1:14 pm

bluesclues wrote:So when they say the recession end. What that mean?

Our currency will go back to 6.20 to 1?
We will get pay raises and an increase in the minimum wage?
We will see a reduction in the cost of food and fuel?
Any or all of the above?

What's the bottom line? A temporary rise in the oil market that will offset concurrent quarters of decline. That is all it is. And now long will it last before we back min recession again?

I believe i said that the angelin and juniper gas fields guarantee the increased gas supplies not only for the producers like Atlantic but also for the companies on the estate. If you ask any person on the estate what their biggest challenge is, it is gas supplies, not the recession. This should help us for 2-3 years. Which is why bp and gortt are in talks with venezueala because access to dragon and el tri fields ensures the viability of the estate for the next how many years. In addition to that, there is still oil and gas in the gulf, its just to find it. The rise isn't temporary. It is the market coming back into balance. What i would hope is that with the added finances, money is put into the H&S fund because its been a few years since anything was put in it so it needs a top up. Probably some of the taxes on the population maybe slackened but im not counting on it.I think there is an additional reason for taxation, getting tt in line with similar economies in terms of taxation . Finally resetting the madness done by the former energy minister and actually taxing the multinationals would be a start.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Slartibartfast » October 28th, 2016, 1:55 pm

And after the 2-3 years? It seems to be that they are counting their chicken before they hatch by relying on the availability of oil in the gulf that has not been found as yet. Also, unless there is a limitless supply of fossil fuels around our country, something else will have to be done eventually and it seems that our government is waiting until the final hour to implement any real changes on a large enough scale (talking about diversification).

I think blues is asking what will happen if they don't find more oil in the gulf in two to three years time? Will we end up back in a recession? If you say no, please explain how you think we are able to prevent a future recession without having to depend on oil given the current trends.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Miktay » October 28th, 2016, 2:07 pm

Diversification by Gubbament decree iz bound 2 fail.

What do bureaucrats know about diversifying an economy? not a whole lot.

We have traditions of viable alternate industries that have been overshadowed by oil and gas.

For example Carnival. But the last time I checked it was just 3% of GDP. And some of that iz supported by govt spending.

Diversification originates from the people.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby eliteauto » October 28th, 2016, 2:11 pm

Miktay wrote:Diversification by Gubbament decree iz bound 2 fail.

What do bureaucrats know about diversifying an economy? not a whole lot.

We have traditions of viable alternate industries that have been overshadowed by oil and gas.

For example Carnival. But the last time I checked it was just 3% of GDP. And some of that iz supported by govt spending.

Diversification originates from the people.


agreed, lots of private sector CEPEP mentality, no innovation, no ideas just more of the same old while complaining about no Government stimulus (aka high capital projects for contracts). Our private sector is lazy

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby DVSTT » October 28th, 2016, 2:55 pm

You allowed to take the government to court in a dictatorship?

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Slartibartfast » October 28th, 2016, 4:30 pm

eliteauto wrote:
Miktay wrote:Diversification by Gubbament decree iz bound 2 fail.

What do bureaucrats know about diversifying an economy? not a whole lot.

We have traditions of viable alternate industries that have been overshadowed by oil and gas.

For example Carnival. But the last time I checked it was just 3% of GDP. And some of that iz supported by govt spending.

Diversification originates from the people.


agreed, lots of private sector CEPEP mentality, no innovation, no ideas just more of the same old while complaining about no Government stimulus (aka high capital projects for contracts). Our private sector is lazy

Kinda hard to be an entrepreneur with little disposable income and I already have to work Monday to Saturday and free overtime just because of how the job market it.

Not much time left for me to be "innovative" and it's not cuz I lazy.

If you talking about local companies that already established then I agree. If you talking about regular middle/lower class citizens then I don't cuz the majority I know already working hard and not prepared to risk it all in a poor economy like the one we have right now.

Of course there are success stories of people that come from nothing and tried hard and got through but there are far more stories of those that didn't. And with the way things are now, when ordinary folks run the numbers they realise that above all else they can't risk not being able to pay their bills.

But go on and blame it on the "lazy" citizens when our own prime minister running out of countries worse than us to compare us to, even when we blessed with such an abundance of a valuable natural resource.

The thing is, the natural resources of the country belongs to the citizens. The people in power are put their by the citizens because they are supposed to be those best fit to manage our natural resources as well as run the country. If you have any business with a product that you know has an expiry date won't you diversify?

If they people managing our resources are saying they are unable to do anything of worth with it then why they heck are they even there? I say it's not the people that are lazy but the government. They have it too easy. They don't have to innovate as long as oil is there. They supposed to work hand in hand with us to provide a good environment to foster entrepreneurship. But what they doing?... stuffing their pockets and raising taxes...

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Miktay » October 28th, 2016, 5:06 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
eliteauto wrote:
Miktay wrote:Diversification by Gubbament decree iz bound 2 fail.

What do bureaucrats know about diversifying an economy? not a whole lot.

We have traditions of viable alternate industries that have been overshadowed by oil and gas.

For example Carnival. But the last time I checked it was just 3% of GDP. And some of that iz supported by govt spending.

Diversification originates from the people.


agreed, lots of private sector CEPEP mentality, no innovation, no ideas just more of the same old while complaining about no Government stimulus (aka high capital projects for contracts). Our private sector is lazy

Kinda hard to be an entrepreneur with little disposable income and I already have to work Monday to Saturday and free overtime just because of how the job market it.

Entrepreneurship doesnt mean you have to be technologically advanced or have free cash...or free time.

but youve gotta experience/understand/solve a problem. what problems can u solve? are people willing 2 pay u $ 2 solve the problem? Everybody has problems.

I can give u a couple local examples if u need specifics.


If you talking about local companies that already established then I agree. If you talking about regular middle/lower class citizens then I don't cuz the majority I know already working hard and not prepared to risk it all in a poor economy like the one we have right now.

Again no problem with that. everybody has a choice.

Of course there are success stories of people that come from nothing and tried hard and got through but there are far more stories of those that didn't. And with the way things are now, when ordinary folks run the numbers they realise that above all else they can't risk not being able to pay their bills.

Yes. Pareto principle. 80% fail. 20% succeed. But what of the 80% who fail. do they give up & return to the salaried world? or try again? some try again and again and eventually succeed. Otrs realize that self employment iz not their thing and go back 2 the salary world.

But go on and blame it on the "lazy" citizens when our own prime minister running out of countries worse than us to compare us to, even when we blessed with such an abundance of a valuable natural resource.

No. Not lazy. Lazy people are better described by FM economists as having a preference for leisure activity. Again nothing wrong with that. Its your time. Your life. Choose how u want 2 spend it.

BUT if u like liming it doesnt make much sense 4 u 2b envious of those who sacrificed their free time to earn more.

You cant have ur kiss cake and eat it.


The thing is, the natural resources of the country belongs to the citizens. Yes.

The people in power are put their by the citizens because they are supposed to be those best fit to manage our natural resources as well as run the country. No. the people in power are the most popular. Thats democracy. The majority rules.

If you have any business with a product that you know has an expiry date won't you diversify? Yes if ur thinking like a businessman. Bureaucrats however rarely think like businessmen. They dont have 2. We let them get away with slackness

If they people managing our resources are saying they are unable to do anything of worth with it then why they heck are they even there? Again its a popularity contest. We get the gubbament we deserve.

I say it's not the people that are lazy but the government. They have it too easy. Yes. Big Gubbament iz mostly about fooling the people.

They don't have to innovate as long as oil is there. Most bureaucrats dont have a track record or enuf fire in they belly 2 innovate.

They supposed to work hand in hand with us to provide a good environment to foster entrepreneurship. But what they doing?... stuffing their pockets and raising taxes...Supposed 2 iz correct. But they dont. Thats the fallacy of Big Gubbament. The bureaucrats over-promise and under-deliver. Why? Cuz real leadership iz hard. And we...the people let them get away with that. Cuz we like it so.

Elite and Miktay come back when allyuh have a better excuse.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Slartibartfast » October 28th, 2016, 6:47 pm

Well looks like we in agreement with most of the points I stated. The problems seems to lie with the government. Now tell me what are people like me (who don't support either party) supposed to do.

To make things even funnier, once things continue going as planned I should be making it alright it 10 years time once I continue doing what I doing. But the thing is, my most profitable route is also the least innovative. There are lots of things I can and I will try to innovate along the way but I know that although they will propose good solutions to ongoing problems, they won't get me anywhere and would be more of a personal endeavour (sorry cant give details until I figure out the whole IP thing).

The thing is that the atmosphere in Trinidad does not support entrepreneurship and innovation. It supports dishonesty and corruption. Now tell me, what significant differences do you think a few extra million from taxes going to do us in an economy dependant on oil? The only innovation that will take place is avoiding taxes and the only new "entrepreneurs" would be the corrupt ones able to facilitate it.

Time for allyuh to stop blindly blaming the general population when you know the government is the problem.

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Postby Miktay » October 28th, 2016, 7:54 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Well looks like we in agreement with most of the points I stated. The problems seems to lie with the government. Now tell me what are people like me (who don't support either party) supposed to do.

Ur beginning 2 see the fallacy of Big Gubbament. And that iza start. 2 continue on that path iz 2 avoid interaction with Gubbament and its cartels as much as u can.

Impossible 2 avoid them totally. But deliberate avoidance and/or toleration iz my approach


To make things even funnier, once things continue going as planned I should be making it alright it 10 years time once I continue doing what I doing. But the thing is, my most profitable route is also the least innovative. There are lots of things I can and I will try to innovate along the way but I know that although they will propose good solutions to ongoing problems, they won't get me anywhere and would be more of a personal endeavour (sorry cant give details until I figure out the whole IP thing).

Yeah. I doh blame u. Plenty men looking 2 huff ideas io coming up with their own. And FYI Intellectual property iza product of Big Gubbament & the legal cartel

The thing is that the atmosphere in Trinidad does not support entrepreneurship and innovation. Not in the aggregate. But we have tremendous pockets of creativity and innovation in our country.

It supports dishonesty and corruption. Of course. Big Gubbament and its cartels are all essentially a collection of rackets: the education cartel...the banking cartel...the legal cartel...the medical cartel etc.

But the largest racket iz Big Gubbament.

Why u think u have 2 know somebody 2 get most things done in T&T? Thats a nefarious symptom of Big Gubbament.


Now tell me, what significant differences do you think a few extra million from taxes going to do us in an economy dependant on oil? The only innovation that will take place is avoiding taxes and the only new "entrepreneurs" would be the corrupt ones able to facilitate it.

Yep. But it doh mean u have 2 go along with it. U might not be able 2 stop it. But most people can work around the bureaucracy. Btw that's one area of innovation: how 2 achieve something worthwhile in spite of Big Gubbament.

Time for allyuh to stop blindly blaming the general population when you know the government is the problem. Big Gubbament iza problem. But people have the power 2 change them once ever 5-6 years. But we always get more of the same. Not just locally. In most of the world. Most elections are a two horse race. One horse iz black with white stripes. The other horse iz white with black stripes. Can u tell the difference?
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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby eliteauto » October 28th, 2016, 7:59 pm

entrepreneurship isn't for everyone, I see a lot of excuses and passing the buck. The biggest hindrance locally is financing not government , lots of people are content to do the minimum and whine, some are prepared to put in the work. Links and nepotism helps but many push through without those, it's all about how badly you want it and how patient you are

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Slartibartfast » October 28th, 2016, 8:07 pm

You missed the point. The fact is that entrepreneurs, unless they are already big players or a 1 in a 100 lucky break, are not rewarded for the work they put in as much as those that are corrupt. If you only knew the amount of construction companies I came across where the people in charge don't even understand basic things like how water affectsports concrete etc. I even had to show a managing director/ site supervisor how to read a grain size analysis graph. At this was on a $10mil project that I know he got cuz he was giving a kickback to a qs in a certain state enterprise.

Our government actively promotes and rewards dishonesty and corruption.

Tell me, how do we award and promote innovation here? What can I, as an ordinary citizen, do to promote it. Anyone can point out a problem, let me see you "innovate" a solution.
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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Miktay » October 28th, 2016, 8:07 pm

eliteauto wrote:entrepreneurship isn't for everyone, I see a lot of excuses and passing the buck. The biggest hindrance locally is financing not government , lots of people are content to do the minimum and whine, some are prepared to put in the work. Links and nepotism helps but many push through without those, it's all about how badly you want it and how patient you are


Financing izan excuse IMHO. Plenty people started small fm their home and built a sustainable business.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby Slartibartfast » October 28th, 2016, 8:12 pm

And Clown Imbert thinks that we have too much "disposable" income. Do you think raising taxes and reducing the buying power of citizens is going to help further the entrepreneurship spirit or kill it?

Things getting worse for almost a decade now. People are less willing and less able to part with their money to start up something.

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby eliteauto » October 28th, 2016, 8:15 pm

Slartibartfast wrote:You missed the point. The fact is that entrepreneurs, unless they are already big players or a 1 in a 100 lucky break, are not rewarded for the work they put in as much as those that are corrupt. If you only knew the amount of construction companies I came across where the people in charge don't even understand basic things like how water affectsports concrete etc. I even had to show a managing director/ site supervisor how to read a grain size analysis graph. At this was on a $10mil project that I know he got cuz he was giving a kickback to a qs in a certain state enterprise.

Our government actively promotes and rewards dishonesty and corruption.

Tell me, how do we award and promote innovation here? What can I, as an ordinary citizen, do to promote it. Anyone can point out a problem, let me see you "innovate" a solution.


nonsense, seems you're studying other people and wanna get like other ppl, lots of businesses are started in the face of competition and use their own measuring stick to chart progress, if I were to open a construction company I couldn't care less what JS, Coosal's etc doing, I'd find my niche and build my clientele, everyone wanna push a Range in a year. You're fixated on Government because you need a crutch to prop your failures on, in a country of 1.3M ppl why would I focus the attention of my business on one entity? Are you suggesting everyone who's successful did so via State contracts?

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Re: A motion of no confidence..

Postby eliteauto » October 28th, 2016, 8:21 pm

Miktay wrote:
eliteauto wrote:entrepreneurship isn't for everyone, I see a lot of excuses and passing the buck. The biggest hindrance locally is financing not government , lots of people are content to do the minimum and whine, some are prepared to put in the work. Links and nepotism helps but many push through without those, it's all about how badly you want it and how patient you are


Financing izan excuse IMHO. Plenty people started small fm their home and built a sustainable business.


Financing is a real consideration. not all ideas can be home started. Even small scale operations have a start up cost

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