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MaxPower wrote:Wraith King wrote:Some members of the TTPS already abuse citizens during the normal times. It scary to think about what those same officers will do during a state of emergency.
Most of the citizens look for it and put themselves in situations.
Trinis have a hard time dealing with situations wisely.
sMASH wrote:we like a good arm wrestlingMaxPower wrote:Wraith King wrote:Some members of the TTPS already abuse citizens during the normal times. It scary to think about what those same officers will do during a state of emergency.
Most of the citizens look for it and put themselves in situations.
Trinis have a hard time dealing with situations wisely.
elec2020 wrote:
so tobagonians were nowhere around when the trinis where there? or is it that the virus knows to only attack trinis and to leave the tobagonians alone? cause the case numbers in tobago are too low if tobago is the place where the congregation lead to a spike in cases.
elec2020 wrote:^ if the 50,000 figure is not used then yes that makes total sense. Cause trinis would be able to interact with themselves. If the 50,000 figure is used then it is impossible for covid-19 numbers to be so low in tobago. My entire argument was just to disprove that 50,000 trinis came to tobago. Thats all. I still have doubts as to whether or not this 25,000 contributed to such a rise in cases as we did not get this level of spike in covid following the candle light vigils. And more than 25,000 people were out and about. I still believe that it is the free movement of people from Venezuela that is contributing to the spike (as it appears the spike is driven by the Brazil variant which, last i check, cannot just teleport into a country whose borders are closed). But its easier for people to argue that PNM is who cause the increase in COVID-19 due to the PM telling people to free up in Tobago. Racial and political hate will forever be trinidad and tobago's undoing.
elec2020 wrote:^ if the 50,000 figure is not used then yes that makes total sense. Cause trinis would be able to interact with themselves. If the 50,000 figure is used then it is impossible for covid-19 numbers to be so low in tobago. My entire argument was just to disprove that 50,000 trinis came to tobago. Thats all. I still have doubts as to whether or not this 25,000 contributed to such a rise in cases as we did not get this level of spike in covid following the candle light vigils. And more than 25,000 people were out and about. I still believe that it is the free movement of people from Venezuela that is contributing to the spike (as it appears the spike is driven by the Brazil variant which, last i check, cannot just teleport into a country whose borders are closed). But its easier for people to argue that PNM is who cause the increase in COVID-19 due to the PM telling people to free up in Tobago. Racial and political hate will forever be trinidad and tobago's undoing.
elec2020 wrote:^ if the 50,000 figure is not used then yes that makes total sense. Cause trinis would be able to interact with themselves. If the 50,000 figure is used then it is impossible for covid-19 numbers to be so low in tobago. My entire argument was just to disprove that 50,000 trinis came to tobago. Thats all. I still have doubts as to whether or not this 25,000 contributed to such a rise in cases as we did not get this level of spike in covid following the candle light vigils. And more than 25,000 people were out and about. I still believe that it is the free movement of people from Venezuela that is contributing to the spike (as it appears the spike is driven by the Brazil variant which, last i check, cannot just teleport into a country whose borders are closed). But its easier for people to argue that PNM is who cause the increase in COVID-19 due to the PM telling people to free up in Tobago. Racial and political hate will forever be trinidad and tobago's undoing.
Dohplaydat wrote:
All of the above elec.
And many of allyuh forgetting how much liming in Trinidad took place Easter time.
I had so many invites for events on Easter weekend alone. Birthdays party, dinners, wedding reception, normal group lime with my padnas.
And even from March, people were liming a lot more than usual.
Easter in Tobago didn't help but I don't believe it was the biggest contributor.
Habit7 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:
All of the above elec.
And many of allyuh forgetting how much liming in Trinidad took place Easter time.
I had so many invites for events on Easter weekend alone. Birthdays party, dinners, wedding reception, normal group lime with my padnas.
And even from March, people were liming a lot more than usual.
Easter in Tobago didn't help but I don't believe it was the biggest contributor.
Exactly.
I was in Pigeon Pt over Easter weekend. They made sure every group was separate and placed small flags around them marking out their bounds. Bigger groups rented cabanas and everybody wore masks. But Pigeon Pt at it fullest was not more ppl than an average Saturday on Maracas.
Many ppl went Mayaro too such that there were multiple drownings. Case numbers were climbing a month before in county Caroni and Victoria, endless bar hopping and private backyard limes.
We thought we were in a good place, kids at home and ppl needed to relax. Nothing is wrong with going Tobago/Maracas/Mayaro, it is the mixing of households was the problem.
But for some ppl all was good until ppl went Tobago, but the gatherings in Trinidad were covid free.
sam1978 wrote:Was it wise to advise people to go Tobago in the middle,of a pandemic , seeing the only means of getting there would be in an enclosed boat or enclosed plane?
sam1978 wrote:Habit 7 has deduced that bar hopping and backyard limes was the cause of the increase in Caroni and Victoria. Please expound on how you came to this conclusion. Is it because the people in these countries have a propensity for these activities? Or did the MoH do a poll and i missed the info when it was announced?
You know how you ask for data when anybody makes a statement.
Habit7 wrote:sam1978 wrote:Was it wise to advise people to go Tobago in the middle,of a pandemic , seeing the only means of getting there would be in an enclosed boat or enclosed plane?
Tobago was booked out a month in advance before Rowley said anything on March 18. Boats and planes were at maximum 75% capacity and there are multiple studies in the US that show the likelyhood of contracting covid-19 in a plane is low https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/odds ... index.html
I think the boat will be slimmer with more room.
We need to thing broader than Tobago and understand what caused the spike in Caroni and Victoria in the first place.
sam1978 wrote:Habit 7 has deduced that bar hopping and backyard limes was the cause of the increase in Caroni and Victoria. Please expound on how you came to this conclusion. Is it because the people in these countries have a propensity for these activities? Or did the MoH do a poll and i missed the info when it was announced?
You know how you ask for data when anybody makes a statement.
Two bar hoppers test Covid-19 positive
Susan Mohammed
Mar 20, 2021 Updated Mar 20, 2021
CARONI County Medical Officer of Health Dr Jeanine St Bernard has strongly discouraged bar hopping, as two people who had recently tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus had admitted to it.
At Saturday's Covid-19 media briefing, Dr Bernard said that this week she had met with President of Bar Keepers and Operators Association Satesh Moonasar.
"Bar hopping is a tradition of not going to just one bar. This is a practice I would want to strongly discourage as the potential for exposure to Covid-19 increases exponentially", she said. "We don't want this association to be brought into disrepute. The Association is completely on board, and in complete adherence to the Covid-19 regulations and protocols. I came away from the meeting very hopeful.
Bar keepers do not benefit having to be closed, to be sanitised, or to close because they and their workers are infected with Covid-19 or in quarantine", she said.
Dr Bernard stressed that it is important that social distancing is observed outside of bars, and while she noted that bar keepers may not have jurisdiction on the pavement across the road from the bars, she said they can discourage people from gathering outside of the bar or in the precinct of the bar.
The Caroni CMOH disclosed that there has been a surge of cases in county Caroni during this month, with 60 positive cases in that district recorded up to Saturday.
The surge started at the beginning of March, as by the end of February there were 25 cases in that count.
There were clusters of cases recorded in the southern part of county Caroni in areas such as Claxton Bay and Freeport.
The numbers were rising rapidly, and the health ministry had adopted the "ring-fencing" approach to contain the spread of the Covid-19 coronavirus.
She explained that this involved the swabbing and quarantining of more than 900 primary, secondary and tertiary contact of the positive cases, whether household or non-household contacts, or symptomatic or asymptomatic.
Dr Bernard pointed out that that approach however affects business continuity, and school attendance.
"This may sound severe, but it is something within county Caroni specifically we thought it was necessary to do as the numbers were rising rapidly, she said.
She noted that there was a trend of people not wanting to be swabbed even though they are living with a Covid-19 coronavirus positive person.
The Caroni CMoH however, pointed out that if a person declined swabbing, that person would still be quarantined because of their exposure to someone at home who is Covid 19 positive.
County Caroni is not in a dome, so what happens in another Caroni will affect others, she said.
Regarding the return of secondary school pupils to school for CAPE and CSEC examinations, Dr Bernard said the health ministry has been paying attention if anyone in Form Four to Six category.
She said disclosed that one pupil in that category had been quarantined in County Caroni.
"CSEC and CAPE exams are starting in June and we do not want students to miss their final exams. Covid-19 is still an active threat to the health and well-being of the citizens of this country. It is a threat to our students who are starting exams soon, and the public health and covid-19 protocols are there for the benefit of the citizens which include out children. We need you the population to take heed", she said.
https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/t ... ee898.html
Habit7 wrote:sam1978 wrote:Habit 7 has deduced that bar hopping and backyard limes was the cause of the increase in Caroni and Victoria. Please expound on how you came to this conclusion. Is it because the people in these countries have a propensity for these activities? Or did the MoH do a poll and i missed the info when it was announced?
You know how you ask for data when anybody makes a statement.
Unlike other ppl here, I love to substantiate my claims with facts.Two bar hoppers test Covid-19 positive
Susan Mohammed
Mar 20, 2021 Updated Mar 20, 2021
CARONI County Medical Officer of Health Dr Jeanine St Bernard has strongly discouraged bar hopping, as two people who had recently tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus had admitted to it.
At Saturday's Covid-19 media briefing, Dr Bernard said that this week she had met with President of Bar Keepers and Operators Association Satesh Moonasar.
"Bar hopping is a tradition of not going to just one bar. This is a practice I would want to strongly discourage as the potential for exposure to Covid-19 increases exponentially", she said. "We don't want this association to be brought into disrepute. The Association is completely on board, and in complete adherence to the Covid-19 regulations and protocols. I came away from the meeting very hopeful.
Bar keepers do not benefit having to be closed, to be sanitised, or to close because they and their workers are infected with Covid-19 or in quarantine", she said.
Dr Bernard stressed that it is important that social distancing is observed outside of bars, and while she noted that bar keepers may not have jurisdiction on the pavement across the road from the bars, she said they can discourage people from gathering outside of the bar or in the precinct of the bar.
The Caroni CMOH disclosed that there has been a surge of cases in county Caroni during this month, with 60 positive cases in that district recorded up to Saturday.
The surge started at the beginning of March, as by the end of February there were 25 cases in that count.
There were clusters of cases recorded in the southern part of county Caroni in areas such as Claxton Bay and Freeport.
The numbers were rising rapidly, and the health ministry had adopted the "ring-fencing" approach to contain the spread of the Covid-19 coronavirus.
She explained that this involved the swabbing and quarantining of more than 900 primary, secondary and tertiary contact of the positive cases, whether household or non-household contacts, or symptomatic or asymptomatic.
Dr Bernard pointed out that that approach however affects business continuity, and school attendance.
"This may sound severe, but it is something within county Caroni specifically we thought it was necessary to do as the numbers were rising rapidly, she said.
She noted that there was a trend of people not wanting to be swabbed even though they are living with a Covid-19 coronavirus positive person.
The Caroni CMoH however, pointed out that if a person declined swabbing, that person would still be quarantined because of their exposure to someone at home who is Covid 19 positive.
County Caroni is not in a dome, so what happens in another Caroni will affect others, she said.
Regarding the return of secondary school pupils to school for CAPE and CSEC examinations, Dr Bernard said the health ministry has been paying attention if anyone in Form Four to Six category.
She said disclosed that one pupil in that category had been quarantined in County Caroni.
"CSEC and CAPE exams are starting in June and we do not want students to miss their final exams. Covid-19 is still an active threat to the health and well-being of the citizens of this country. It is a threat to our students who are starting exams soon, and the public health and covid-19 protocols are there for the benefit of the citizens which include out children. We need you the population to take heed", she said.
https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/t ... ee898.html
Habit7 wrote:sam1978 wrote:Was it wise to advise people to go Tobago in the middle,of a pandemic , seeing the only means of getting there would be in an enclosed boat or enclosed plane?
Tobago was booked out a month in advance before Rowley said anything on March 18. Boats and planes were at maximum 75% capacity and there are multiple studies in the US that show the likelyhood of contracting covid-19 in a plane is low https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/odds ... index.html
I think the boat will be slimmer with more room.
We need to thing broader than Tobago and understand what caused the spike in Caroni and Victoria in the first place.
sam1978 wrote:Habit7 wrote:sam1978 wrote:Was it wise to advise people to go Tobago in the middle,of a pandemic , seeing the only means of getting there would be in an enclosed boat or enclosed plane?
Tobago was booked out a month in advance before Rowley said anything on March 18. Boats and planes were at maximum 75% capacity and there are multiple studies in the US that show the likelyhood of contracting covid-19 in a plane is low https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/odds ... index.html
I think the boat will be slimmer with more room.
We need to thing broader than Tobago and understand what caused the spike in Caroni and Victoria in the first place.
While i agree with you that many bookings were made in advance ( although I know people who went last minute) and I don't blame the spike on it because I have no data to suggest such , my point is that it was irresponsible in the middle of a pandemic. That was a good time to do what he did yesterday ( which I fully support) if we are to believe utterances made by the CMO.
sam1978 wrote:I agree that it's the ILLEGAL immigrants that are responsible for the increase. This could also be the reason the spike is in certain areas
Habit7 wrote:sam1978 wrote:Habit 7 has deduced that bar hopping and backyard limes was the cause of the increase in Caroni and Victoria. Please expound on how you came to this conclusion. Is it because the people in these countries have a propensity for these activities? Or did the MoH do a poll and i missed the info when it was announced?
You know how you ask for data when anybody makes a statement.
Unlike other ppl here, I love to substantiate my claims with facts.Two bar hoppers test Covid-19 positive
Susan Mohammed
Mar 20, 2021 Updated Mar 20, 2021
CARONI County Medical Officer of Health Dr Jeanine St Bernard has strongly discouraged bar hopping, as two people who had recently tested positive for the Covid-19 coronavirus had admitted to it.
At Saturday's Covid-19 media briefing, Dr Bernard said that this week she had met with President of Bar Keepers and Operators Association Satesh Moonasar.
"Bar hopping is a tradition of not going to just one bar. This is a practice I would want to strongly discourage as the potential for exposure to Covid-19 increases exponentially", she said. "We don't want this association to be brought into disrepute. The Association is completely on board, and in complete adherence to the Covid-19 regulations and protocols. I came away from the meeting very hopeful.
Bar keepers do not benefit having to be closed, to be sanitised, or to close because they and their workers are infected with Covid-19 or in quarantine", she said.
Dr Bernard stressed that it is important that social distancing is observed outside of bars, and while she noted that bar keepers may not have jurisdiction on the pavement across the road from the bars, she said they can discourage people from gathering outside of the bar or in the precinct of the bar.
The Caroni CMOH disclosed that there has been a surge of cases in county Caroni during this month, with 60 positive cases in that district recorded up to Saturday.
The surge started at the beginning of March, as by the end of February there were 25 cases in that count.
There were clusters of cases recorded in the southern part of county Caroni in areas such as Claxton Bay and Freeport.
The numbers were rising rapidly, and the health ministry had adopted the "ring-fencing" approach to contain the spread of the Covid-19 coronavirus.
She explained that this involved the swabbing and quarantining of more than 900 primary, secondary and tertiary contact of the positive cases, whether household or non-household contacts, or symptomatic or asymptomatic.
Dr Bernard pointed out that that approach however affects business continuity, and school attendance.
"This may sound severe, but it is something within county Caroni specifically we thought it was necessary to do as the numbers were rising rapidly, she said.
She noted that there was a trend of people not wanting to be swabbed even though they are living with a Covid-19 coronavirus positive person.
The Caroni CMoH however, pointed out that if a person declined swabbing, that person would still be quarantined because of their exposure to someone at home who is Covid 19 positive.
County Caroni is not in a dome, so what happens in another Caroni will affect others, she said.
Regarding the return of secondary school pupils to school for CAPE and CSEC examinations, Dr Bernard said the health ministry has been paying attention if anyone in Form Four to Six category.
She said disclosed that one pupil in that category had been quarantined in County Caroni.
"CSEC and CAPE exams are starting in June and we do not want students to miss their final exams. Covid-19 is still an active threat to the health and well-being of the citizens of this country. It is a threat to our students who are starting exams soon, and the public health and covid-19 protocols are there for the benefit of the citizens which include out children. We need you the population to take heed", she said.
https://trinidadexpress.com/newsextra/t ... ee898.html
MaxPower wrote:sam1978 wrote:I agree that it's the ILLEGAL immigrants that are responsible for the increase. This could also be the reason the spike is in certain areas
Hello sam1978,
I agree as well, but they are not totally responsible.
With the many repatriation flights, and erroneous, falsified and undetected results, MANY irresponsible Trinis would have breached quarantine orders.
These are the same Trinis that are seen like sardines in supermarkets, hardwares, beaches, bars and on the streets.
If you must blame, then share it.
sam1978 wrote:While i agree with you that many bookings were made in advance ( although I know people who went last minute) and I don't blame the spike on it because I have no data to suggest such , my point is that it was irresponsible in the middle of a pandemic. That was a good time to do what he did yesterday ( which I fully support) if we are to believe utterances made by the CMO.
you know what's happening now
Tobago is almost full and overflowing
the place to be is in Tobago
and I tell you the best vacation you can
have at home in Trinidad and Tobago is
in Tobago
go to Tobago if you want but when you go
to behave yourself
behave yourself we are in a pandemic
wear your mask stay away from crows no
partying
and so on and so on and you can have a
wonderful easter in Tobago
nobody asks you to go and see I'm
building a mask on your face
but when you come out of the water
before you go to anybody
put on your mask and everybody gonna be
all right
and that for me is a success of the
people
of Trinidad and Tobago
[Applause]
