Firearms User License HELP

[Dizzy28]

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https://guardian.co.tt/article/guns-in- ... linkin.bio

That was literally the last two lines of her entire article, it's a clickbait headline.

nothing in her article corroborated the "vigilante thinking" in her 'conclusion'....or comparing it with a self defense mindset in relation to existing laws...

MaxP makes a better point on our culture and discipline towards FUL ownership...

Ira Mathur is a director in a private security company. More FULs = Less money for she

[MaxPower]

MaxP makes a better point on our culture and discipline towards FUL ownership...

Yeh bro, i would really like my countrymen to get easier access, but not with the poor level of discipline.

Yuh talking about people leaving firearms all over the damn place. Any roadblock it have there is bound to be some jackass under the influence and as we know, the alcohol limit for possession of a firearm is zero, so it have nothing like “oh gosh officer is just a one beer”.

I done tell allyuh that it would be an additional act of lawlessness around Carnival time. We also talking about reckless discharges, brandishing, accidents, suicides, thefts etc. You mean to tell me to just make the process easier for the average Trini to have a FUL and its gonna be a automatic discipline overnight?

So hear what…FULs for all and see how fast it go back to a strict and vague process because of the actions of others.

Try the pepper spray for now and even tasers, let’s see how that goes. Its really a pity that the minority of the responsible population who really deserve it are being denied.

[WestIndian424]

the webpage is working
you get a quick response with email acknowledgement

Which webpage?

[alfa]

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/busines ... bba4bb4e2c
Seems like down to firearm dealers who were once big in the game seeing pressure to

[pugboy]

yuh need to read between the lines with that article my friend to understand why they holding the man papers


the time lines of issuance, and quick approval to become a dealer, all under whose signoff......
becoming a firearms dealer is almost like seeing god face in these times

and lewwe not talk about the open advertising of assistance in filling out ful forms for a lil cinco plenty zeros fees
mind you charging somebody to help fill a form is not illegal even though a child could fill it out

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/businessman-sues-cop-over-failure-to-return-firearm-6.2.1692116.bba4bb4e2c
Seems like down to firearm dealers who were once big in the game seeing pressure to

[toyolink]

The right to 'carry' a firearm for personal security and/or for purposes of hunting has long been in existence and governed by rules, regulations and significant conditionalities all administered by the office of the COP.
Historically the COP has maintained a conservative approach to the numbers of approved firearms in the public domain given known risks associated with a proliferation of 'guns', and this certainly made good sense when violent crime perpetrated on innocent law abiding citizens were low.
Today's reality which we all are aware of certainly requires a re-evaluation of the need to give citizens who meet the stand an opportunity to protect themselves, their loved-ones and their property.
I hasten to add citizens right to acquire an FUL must definitely not liberal as the USA, but must be subject to the levels of serious scrutiny and investigation which form part of our approved process and annual renewal of licenses by the holder presenting themselves at the station with equipment must be maintained.
Other support systems like ballistic testing of all licensed firearms must be executed and records held on file. This specific exercise was actually started and for some reason fell apart.
Our ability to have a viable FUL issuance process and administration of same is known to all an sundry to be caused by weaknesses and flaws emanating out of the institutions and personnel vest with the power to ensure the viability of same.
The red-herring utterances that guns in the hands of citizens will cause mayhem is absolute rubbish in the eyes of those who are well informed about what our system of approval and maintenance is about.
The T&T approved model and the provisions of same is in no way similar to that which exist in the USA where the right to bear arms is enshrined in the constitution and there is grave difficulty avoiding a citizen from owning a gun including assault weapons made to kill people by the 'ton load'.
Our protectives services at this time cannot in the short to medium term change the trajectory we are on and co-opting the controlled capability of our right minded civilian population seems a reasonable back-stop strategy.

[Chimera]

so barnes rolling around without a FUL since 2020?

[pugboy]

he must be get black list early by army association with gg

so barnes rolling around without a FUL since 2020?

[*KRONIK*]

[gastly369]

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*pulls out pepper spray

Slight, medium or heavy?

[*KRONIK*]

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*pulls out pepper spray

Slight, medium or heavy?

*pulls out unpeppered doubles.... "Lace it"

[pugboy]

can somebody change title of the thread to “pepper spray permit help” ?

[alfa]

so barnes rolling around without a FUL since 2020?

Was wondering the same thing, so then how he selling firearms? I guess that's a different permit but then it's like saying he can sell them but can touch them cuz he have no ful. I visited his place once after 2020 and he was in operation as normal so meen know how it works. Glad he taking them to the court though, he and Brent

[Type Rated]

Man had a security company as well. The FUL for that entity has to be in someone’s name. This may be what is being referred to based on the number and type of firearms being varied

[16 cycles]

everyone who aligned with GG through the supply chain seems to be drawing attention of the State since GG's departure...

Brent having grenades - if true - is madness though - that should be investigated thoroughly

[rollingstock]

Buh Brent has an import permit for grenades and supply the national security services with that item.

[Chimera]

everyone who aligned with GG through the supply chain seems to be drawing attention of the State since GG's departure...

Brent having grenades - if true - is madness though - that should be investigated thoroughly

You read the articles? He's been providing the government armed forces with grenades years now. Since before Gary time. With different comissioners approvals.

Yuh taking on the sensational headlines and not reading the body of thr articles.

[Chimera]

everyone who aligned with GG through the supply chain seems to be drawing attention of the State since GG's departure...

Brent having grenades - if true - is madness though - that should be investigated thoroughly

Funny thing is the government ( us the taxpayers) gonna have to spend millions and millions of dollars to pay Brent for the wrongs committee against him. Plus all the government lawyers.

So a easy 20 or 30 million gonna waste behind this because of incompetent police and vindictive government. One thing if yuh vindictive u know...but atleast be right.

[toyolink]

The continuing confusion associated with the issuance and administration of FUL is really infantile and avoiding us the benefits of a properly managed system in accordance with the regulations in place.
There are so many dedicated and capable officers who can get this facility in shape and we keep limiting the risk management benefits the country can achieve by just not doing the right things.
Why attract so much criticism and negative imagery when the situation can be fixed ?

[pugboy]

because govt want to keep as much control of things they can

[bluefete]

Oui, foote.

CoP: 100 legal guns used in crimes

OVER 100 guns granted under the tenure of three former police commissioners – Stephen Williams, Gary Griffith and McDonald Jacob –­ have been used to commit crimes of murder, robberies and suicides.

And intelligence from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and other foreign agencies suggest that 30 guns imported by authorised gun dealers have ended up in the hands of criminals and used in at least one instance to commit murder.

These alarming claims were made by Commissioner of Police (CoP) Erla Harewood-Christopher in a sworn statement filed in the High Court two weeks ago in response to a lawsuit of gun dealer Towfeek Ali who is seeking permission to import 3,654,000 rounds of ammunition.

The CoP raised serious national security concerns and the stability of the country over such imports, the poor accounting records of guns and ammunition imported, the possession of "military-grade" guns and 5.56 and 7.62 ammunition in the hands of civilians which can pierce wood, concrete, metal and body armour worn by police.

She disclosed incomplete statistics between 2016-2022 which show the quantity of guns and ammunition imported by gun dealers for "non-law enforcement purposes" skyrocketed with an all time high in 2020 of 57.2 million rounds, "almost 44 times the population" of TT.

The figures reveal in 2016 – 81 import permits were granted allowing 55 registered gun dealers to bring in 1,620 guns and 6,170,325 rounds of ammunition; in 2017 – 54 permits were approved allowing dealers to import 1,666 guns and 4,756,075 rounds of ammunition; in 2018 – some 91 permits were approved to import 5,422 guns and 2,642,022 rounds of ammunition; in 2019 – some 150 permits were granted to import 2, 750 guns and 8,357,785 rounds of ammunition; in 2020 approved import permits jumped to 306 allowing gun dealers to bring in 64,553 guns and 57,194,173 rounds of ammunition; in 2021 the number of import permits went down to 115 allowing dealers to bring in 43,557 guns and 18,899,000 rounds of ammunition, and in 2022 only 35 import permits were approved allowing dealers to bring in 2,701 guns and 8,676,746 rounds of ammunition.

"Should criminal elements target any of these dealerships they would find a large store of firearms, ammunition and components/accessories which could seriously threaten the safety of the public and the stability of the country," Harewood-Christopher said.

Information from the Customs and Excise Division for the six-year period to determine the actual number of guns and ammunition for "non-law enforcement purposes," is yet to be provided to the police, according to Harewood-Christopher.

The CoP said the presence of "military-grade guns and ammunition" in the hands of criminals posed a serious challenge to the police but noted those types of guns "continue to enter the country legally and illegally." She also raised concern about the number of rounds civilians were permitted to carry, some up to 1,000 rounds for each weapon, "creating an ease of access to ammunition and the risk that ammunition possessed lawfully may indeed be fuelling gun violence, or stockpiled unlawfully for more organised threats to national security."

In the past, civilians were allowed to carry between 25-50 rounds of ammunition for their guns

Harewood-Christopher made another alarming claim where many people who were granted gun licences failed to have their guns "test-fired" at the Forensic Science Centre (FSC) so that a ballistic report of the weapon can be uploaded in the Integrated Ballistics Identification System (IBIS).

"This requirement facilitates the tracing of any projectiles found at a crime scene to the gun from which it was fired and is a critical element in solving crimes," where guns are used in TT, the CoP said.



"The failure of FUL holders to have their licensed firearms test-fired is therefore a matter of serious concern for the TTPS and it lends itself to licensed firearms being involved in or 'hired out' for the commission of crimes with no risk of being detected. In this way, the TTPS has no way of knowing whether licensed firearms are being used for criminal purposes," she said.

Information from the FSC revealed that "less than half of a half of all the firearms licensed under FULs and variations in this period were test-fired...this is a matter of serious concern given the virtual untraceability of these firearms if used in the commission of a crime," she said.

Police records show in the last three years gun dealers "began applying for and receiving permission to import these high-powered firearms and ammunition for resale, and civilian FUL (firearm user's licence) holders were permitted to carry them and to carry ammunition for them."

She said prior to 2020, "only revolvers and auto-loading handguns (pistols), of calibres of .22 to .45 calibre, were issued to civilian FUL holders for personal protection." For target sport shooting, small-bore (.22) and full-bore (.308/7.62mm) rifles have previously been held by individuals who are members of the rifle association or national representatives, she said.

Further, the risk was managed by not permitting those sports enthusiasts to keep ammunition for such weapons at home, she said.

Harewood-Christopher said while fully automatic weapons are prohibited under the firearms act, semi-automatic are permitted but they can be converted to fully automatic rifles by the use of conversion kits which gun dealers imported "in large numbers." The conversion of the weapon, she said, can allow the gun to discharge "up to 600 rounds of ammunition per minute."

The CoP said the records also showed civilians were granted variations of their permits to carry multiple guns, including "high-powered rifles" and it also disputed a suggestion those individuals were "active participants in target sport shooting."

Statistics disclosed by Harewood-Christopher show the number of gun permits issued between 2016-2022 had a drastic hike under the tenure of former commissioner Griffith.

In some instances, variations to purchase multiple guns, including rifles, were approved within 24 hours or days without any evidence that the applicant was trained to use such weapons or if the person had an updated assessment of their mental state.

Harewood-Christopher said, "These are serious matters which are the subject of ongoing criminal investigations, and which demonstrate that the problem of gun violence in the country is not only occasioned by the presence and use of illegal firearms, but by licensed firearms. There is therefore a general need to know and account for all firearms and ammunition imported under permit into this country, and in circulation, before permitting additional firearms and ammunition to be imported."

Griffith, under whose tenure the granting of gun licences exploded, has repeatedly said that none of the guns issued has been used to commit crimes.

Harewood-Christopher, who began acting as top cop on December 9, 2022, and was later appointed the substantive commissioner on February 3, said she has "adopted the position that before resuming the consideration of applicants for firearm import permits, it is necessary to properly account for all firearms and ammunition previously imported into the country under permits, so that the quantities and whereabouts of firearms and ammunition lawfully in circulation among the population can be known, before granting permission for additional firearms and ammunition to be imported."

"The impact of firearms and ammunition in the country extends beyond the individual dealer and the eventual purchaser. It is not an ordinary supply to meet alleged demand. Firearms and ammunition are inherently dangerous goods and their widespread presence and availability in the country poses a risk to public safety and the overall stability of the country. I am particularly concerned about the risks which large quantities of ammunition pose. The presence of same has the potential to fuel gun violence in the country, both with the use of illegal firearms and those licensed under the (firearms) act. In recent times, increasing quantities of spent shells have been found on crime scenes suggesting that ammunition is easily accessible within the country."

https://newsday.co.tt/2023/05/13/cop-10 ... in-crimes/

[Chimera]

And how much thousands of illegal guns get used to commit crimes?

[16 cycles]

everyone who aligned with GG through the supply chain seems to be drawing attention of the State since GG's departure...

Brent having grenades - if true - is madness though - that should be investigated thoroughly

You read the articles? He's been providing the government armed forces with grenades years now. Since before Gary time. With different comissioners approvals.

Yuh taking on the sensational headlines and not reading the body of thr articles.

genuinely missed that he was granted authority to provide grenades - which makes the witch-hunt for him even more of a debacle...

[88sins]

Oui, foote.

CoP: 100 legal guns used in crimes

OVER 100 guns granted under the tenure of three former police commissioners – Stephen Williams, Gary Griffith and McDonald Jacob –­ have been used to commit crimes of murder, robberies and suicides.

And intelligence from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and other foreign agencies suggest that 30 guns imported by authorised gun dealers have ended up in the hands of criminals and used in at least one instance to commit murder.

These alarming claims were made by Commissioner of Police (CoP) Erla Harewood-Christopher in a sworn statement filed in the High Court two weeks ago in response to a lawsuit of gun dealer Towfeek Ali who is seeking permission to import 3,654,000 rounds of ammunition.

The CoP raised serious national security concerns and the stability of the country over such imports, the poor accounting records of guns and ammunition imported, the possession of "military-grade" guns and 5.56 and 7.62 ammunition in the hands of civilians which can pierce wood, concrete, metal and body armour worn by police.

She disclosed incomplete statistics between 2016-2022 which show the quantity of guns and ammunition imported by gun dealers for "non-law enforcement purposes" skyrocketed with an all time high in 2020 of 57.2 million rounds, "almost 44 times the population" of TT.

The figures reveal in 2016 – 81 import permits were granted allowing 55 registered gun dealers to bring in 1,620 guns and 6,170,325 rounds of ammunition; in 2017 – 54 permits were approved allowing dealers to import 1,666 guns and 4,756,075 rounds of ammunition; in 2018 – some 91 permits were approved to import 5,422 guns and 2,642,022 rounds of ammunition; in 2019 – some 150 permits were granted to import 2, 750 guns and 8,357,785 rounds of ammunition; in 2020 approved import permits jumped to 306 allowing gun dealers to bring in 64,553 guns and 57,194,173 rounds of ammunition; in 2021 the number of import permits went down to 115 allowing dealers to bring in 43,557 guns and 18,899,000 rounds of ammunition, and in 2022 only 35 import permits were approved allowing dealers to bring in 2,701 guns and 8,676,746 rounds of ammunition.

"Should criminal elements target any of these dealerships they would find a large store of firearms, ammunition and components/accessories which could seriously threaten the safety of the public and the stability of the country," Harewood-Christopher said.

Information from the Customs and Excise Division for the six-year period to determine the actual number of guns and ammunition for "non-law enforcement purposes," is yet to be provided to the police, according to Harewood-Christopher.

The CoP said the presence of "military-grade guns and ammunition" in the hands of criminals posed a serious challenge to the police but noted those types of guns "continue to enter the country legally and illegally." She also raised concern about the number of rounds civilians were permitted to carry, some up to 1,000 rounds for each weapon, "creating an ease of access to ammunition and the risk that ammunition possessed lawfully may indeed be fuelling gun violence, or stockpiled unlawfully for more organised threats to national security."

In the past, civilians were allowed to carry between 25-50 rounds of ammunition for their guns

Harewood-Christopher made another alarming claim where many people who were granted gun licences failed to have their guns "test-fired" at the Forensic Science Centre (FSC) so that a ballistic report of the weapon can be uploaded in the Integrated Ballistics Identification System (IBIS).

"This requirement facilitates the tracing of any projectiles found at a crime scene to the gun from which it was fired and is a critical element in solving crimes," where guns are used in TT, the CoP said.



"The failure of FUL holders to have their licensed firearms test-fired is therefore a matter of serious concern for the TTPS and it lends itself to licensed firearms being involved in or 'hired out' for the commission of crimes with no risk of being detected. In this way, the TTPS has no way of knowing whether licensed firearms are being used for criminal purposes," she said.

Information from the FSC revealed that "less than half of a half of all the firearms licensed under FULs and variations in this period were test-fired...this is a matter of serious concern given the virtual untraceability of these firearms if used in the commission of a crime," she said.

Police records show in the last three years gun dealers "began applying for and receiving permission to import these high-powered firearms and ammunition for resale, and civilian FUL (firearm user's licence) holders were permitted to carry them and to carry ammunition for them."

She said prior to 2020, "only revolvers and auto-loading handguns (pistols), of calibres of .22 to .45 calibre, were issued to civilian FUL holders for personal protection." For target sport shooting, small-bore (.22) and full-bore (.308/7.62mm) rifles have previously been held by individuals who are members of the rifle association or national representatives, she said.

Further, the risk was managed by not permitting those sports enthusiasts to keep ammunition for such weapons at home, she said.

Harewood-Christopher said while fully automatic weapons are prohibited under the firearms act, semi-automatic are permitted but they can be converted to fully automatic rifles by the use of conversion kits which gun dealers imported "in large numbers." The conversion of the weapon, she said, can allow the gun to discharge "up to 600 rounds of ammunition per minute."

The CoP said the records also showed civilians were granted variations of their permits to carry multiple guns, including "high-powered rifles" and it also disputed a suggestion those individuals were "active participants in target sport shooting."

Statistics disclosed by Harewood-Christopher show the number of gun permits issued between 2016-2022 had a drastic hike under the tenure of former commissioner Griffith.

In some instances, variations to purchase multiple guns, including rifles, were approved within 24 hours or days without any evidence that the applicant was trained to use such weapons or if the person had an updated assessment of their mental state.

Harewood-Christopher said, "These are serious matters which are the subject of ongoing criminal investigations, and which demonstrate that the problem of gun violence in the country is not only occasioned by the presence and use of illegal firearms, but by licensed firearms. There is therefore a general need to know and account for all firearms and ammunition imported under permit into this country, and in circulation, before permitting additional firearms and ammunition to be imported."

Griffith, under whose tenure the granting of gun licences exploded, has repeatedly said that none of the guns issued has been used to commit crimes.

Harewood-Christopher, who began acting as top cop on December 9, 2022, and was later appointed the substantive commissioner on February 3, said she has "adopted the position that before resuming the consideration of applicants for firearm import permits, it is necessary to properly account for all firearms and ammunition previously imported into the country under permits, so that the quantities and whereabouts of firearms and ammunition lawfully in circulation among the population can be known, before granting permission for additional firearms and ammunition to be imported."

"The impact of firearms and ammunition in the country extends beyond the individual dealer and the eventual purchaser. It is not an ordinary supply to meet alleged demand. Firearms and ammunition are inherently dangerous goods and their widespread presence and availability in the country poses a risk to public safety and the overall stability of the country. I am particularly concerned about the risks which large quantities of ammunition pose. The presence of same has the potential to fuel gun violence in the country, both with the use of illegal firearms and those licensed under the (firearms) act. In recent times, increasing quantities of spent shells have been found on crime scenes suggesting that ammunition is easily accessible within the country."

https://newsday.co.tt/2023/05/13/cop-10 ... in-crimes/

For all that gibberish, lewwe get something very clear.

K
Ime, Gary was a rubber stamp, and a beaten out one at that, and damn near EVERY FUL issued under his tenure is more than a little questionable, being brought to him by his somewhat unscrupulous underlings.


Who eh like that, pick a vowel, and follow thru with the acti.
Li_k my d_ck.

[pugboy]

that report is rather odd
how is it that usa atf/fbi could say 30 legal firearms sold to regular ful folks were used in crimes?
does usa atf/fbi have a firearm forensics dept here?
i would think they would first say ttps determined that and blow their own praises

[Chimera]

There have been quite a few instances where ppl lose their legally issued guns to criminals though.

[MaxPower]

So Trinis bawling for FUL and when they do get it, they are not responsible enough to have ballistics done on their units? Why am i not surprised.

Yuh see all this nonsense contributes to why the process is how it is.

[pugboy]

Is there an active ballistics testing before someone gets hold of their legal firearm ?
what about all the bullets and shells they collect at crime scenes ?
does the forensics dept make any link to the firearms that shot them to the many that they seize ?

or is it another situation of information collected and nada after like
how cops like to come and "collect the footage" from private cctv and nothing made of it later ?

So Trinis bawling for FUL and when they do get it, they are not responsible enough to have ballistics done on their units? Why am i not surprised.

Yuh see all this nonsense contributes to why the process is how it is.

[Chimera]

You have to present your firearm for ballistics testing within a specific time period of receiving it.

[hustla_ambition101]

So Trinis bawling for FUL and when they do get it, they are not responsible enough to have ballistics done on their units? Why am i not surprised.

Yuh see all this nonsense contributes to why the process is how it is.

The same "law abiding Trinis" that does look down on others. They are no different from the illegal holders, this also gives insight into who switching components and renting