Race and Crime

[maj. tom]

You all should take in this same discussion on r/Trinidadandtobago

PNM propaganda over the last 30 years working good for GenZ now.

[Dizzy28]

Which thread?

You all should take in this same discussion on r/Trinidadandtobago

PNM propaganda over the last 30 years working good for GenZ now.

[maj. tom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrinidadandTobago/comments/131b4wf/pundit_east_indians_under_attack_by_urban_youth/

[FrankChag]

Is this why I start to feel uncomfortable when I see someone (any race) in public wearing a white vest, (3/4) jeans, bandana and expensive sneakers or clarks that even I can't afford?

Maybe it's not 100% about race.

Lol this is very sad. Imagine living a life where u get bummy soon as u see someone in a vest and a 3/4s. Bess u stay inside yes. Have some good series to recommend to kill some time
And you can't afford a Clarks?

*checks clarksusa.com* Huh. Epiphany... I guess I can afford Clarks. Growing up, Clarks was always outside our budget. As an adult, I guess I never really adjusted that mentally. Huh. Re the vest/jeans thing... I have young kids. If its me alone it doesn't bother me as much. But when you're liming with your family in Maracas and the 4 or 5 of the rowdy-vest-crew shows up, you start to think it's time to roll.


All I'm suggesting is that race is not a causal variable. Race is a latent factor, and causal variables are geo-socioeconomic.

For example in the States, racism caused geo-socioeconomic exclusion, which leads to crime.
Or perhaps here in TT, Politics causes geo-socio-economic exclusion, which leads to crime.

[MaxPower]

Research Asian hate crimes.

Alot of them don’t have it easy at all.

[FrankChag]

To be clear, sometimes ppl conflate these two very different terms:

RACE: The term race refers to the concept of dividing people into populations or groups on the basis of various sets of physical characteristics (which usually result from genetic ancestry). Race presumes shared biological or genetic traits, whether actual or asserted. In the early 19th century, racial differences were ascribed significance in areas of intelligence, health, and personality. There is no evidence validating these ideas.

vs.

ETHNICITY: An ethnic group or ethnicity is a population group whose members identify with each other on the basis of common nationality or shared cultural traditions. Ethnicity connotes shared cultural traits and a shared group history. Some ethnic groups also share linguistic or religious traits, while others share a common group history but not a common language or religion.

https://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethnicity_vs_Race

[pugboy]

not sometimes, more like most of the times
a bandit choosing to pick on chinese is likely not a chinese race hate issue
but they will want to say why accuse the bandits of being racist
but the point is that the bandits are choosing targets and there is nothing wrong with pointing that out

[Chimera]

i think they targetting where they know it have money

and it more likely to get $$$ from a chinee or indian house hold

and less likely to collect bullets than robbing other families

[Dizzy28]

i think they targetting where they know it have money

and it more likely to get $$$ from a chinee or indian house hold

and less likely to collect bullets than robbing other families

The last CSO Household Income Survey said Afro-Trini households earn more than Indo-Trini households.
Do bandits know this?

[paid_influencer]

Is this why I start to feel uncomfortable when I see someone (any race) in public wearing a white vest, (3/4) jeans, bandana and expensive sneakers or clarks that even I can't afford?

Maybe it's not 100% about race.

Lol this is very sad. Imagine living a life where u get bummy soon as u see someone in a vest and a 3/4s. Bess u stay inside yes. Have some good series to recommend to kill some time
And you can't afford a Clarks?

*checks clarksusa.com* Huh. Epiphany... I guess I can afford Clarks. Growing up, Clarks was always outside our budget. As an adult, I guess I never really adjusted that mentally. Huh. Re the vest/jeans thing... I have young kids. If its me alone it doesn't bother me as much. But when you're liming with your family in Maracas and the 4 or 5 of the rowdy-vest-crew shows up, you start to think it's time to roll.

All I'm suggesting is that race is not a causal variable. Race is a latent factor, and causal variables are geo-socioeconomic.

For example in the States, racism caused geo-socioeconomic exclusion, which leads to crime.
Or perhaps here in TT, Politics causes geo-socio-economic exclusion, which leads to crime.

I know is nothing personal and not bad-mindedness on your part, but really it is wrong to do what you describe. it is culturally insensitive (or "racial" in the local vernacular). Plenty normal good people wear white vest and clarks. That mode of dress is a cultural norm, not a gang uniform.

[paid_influencer]

i think they targetting where they know it have money

and it more likely to get $$$ from a chinee or indian house hold

and less likely to collect bullets than robbing other families

"soft" targets as the police say in the media conference yesterday

[Cantmis]

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[FrankChag]

Is this why I start to feel uncomfortable when I see someone (any race) in public wearing a white vest, (3/4) jeans, bandana and expensive sneakers or clarks that even I can't afford?

Maybe it's not 100% about race.

Lol this is very sad. Imagine living a life where u get bummy soon as u see someone in a vest and a 3/4s. Bess u stay inside yes. Have some good series to recommend to kill some time
And you can't afford a Clarks?

*checks clarksusa.com* Huh. Epiphany... I guess I can afford Clarks. Growing up, Clarks was always outside our budget. As an adult, I guess I never really adjusted that mentally. Huh. Re the vest/jeans thing... I have young kids. If its me alone it doesn't bother me as much. But when you're liming with your family in Maracas and the 4 or 5 of the rowdy-vest-crew shows up, you start to think it's time to roll.

All I'm suggesting is that race is not a causal variable. Race is a latent factor, and causal variables are geo-socioeconomic.

For example in the States, racism caused geo-socioeconomic exclusion, which leads to crime.
Or perhaps here in TT, Politics causes geo-socio-economic exclusion, which leads to crime.

I know is nothing personal and not bad-mindedness on your part, but really it is wrong to do what you describe. it is culturally insensitive (or "racial" in the local vernacular). Plenty normal good people wear white vest and clarks. That mode of dress is a cultural norm, not a gang uniform.

You're probably mostly right.
I'll work on it. But I have a strong selection bias on this one.
Especially when all 5 (in the Maracas situation above) were wearing the same thing: white vest and 3/4 jeans with bandanas. Buying Bake and Shark.


https://tt.loopnews.com/content/three-m ... i-gang-act


https://www.cnc3.co.tt/gary-warns-warring-gangs/



https://www.facebook.com/PoliceServiceT ... 8351447830



https://www.cnc3.co.tt/gangsters-threat ... rget-cops/

[paid_influencer]

is not about me being right. is about affording every individual you meet an equitable chance free of prejudice.

[paid_influencer]

the modern position in social justice is to acknowledge your own cultural biases and consciously correct for them.

[eliteauto]

the modern position in social justice is to acknowledge your own cultural biases and consciously correct for them.

Does the "modern position in social justice" also acknowledge self-preservation?

[paid_influencer]

the vest and jeans don't scare me. when I see a setta gold chain and bling, then is time to run

[redmanjp]

the modern position in social justice is to acknowledge your own cultural biases and consciously correct for them.

Does the "modern position in social justice" also acknowledge self-preservation?

nah. if u cross d street in fear of being robbed u racist

[The_Honourable]

Rebuttal by David Muhammad

Is it fair to say that African people are the biggest criminals in T&T? Let's examine the facts.

1. Boysie Singh - First notorious and only serial killer in T&T
2. Shazard Khan (Teddy Mice) - Big fish drug dealer from El Socorro in the 1980s.
3. Raffick "Puna" Mohammed (Shazard's uncle) - Major criminal empire
4. Naim Naya Ali - San Juan fruit king drug lord (Mentioned in the Scott Drug Report)
5. Nankissoon Boodram (Dole Chadee) - Most notorious drug criminal

Multiple top level east indian drug lords using african employees for their dirty work.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1437243633692620/

[Cantmis]

6ixx outside

[Dizzy28]

Biggest Vs most prevalent are two different issues

Rebuttal by David Muhammad

Is it fair to say that African people are the biggest criminals in T&T? Let's examine the facts.

1. Boysie Singh - First notorious and only serial killer in T&T
2. Shazard Khan (Teddy Mice) - Big fish drug dealer from El Socorro in the 1980s.
3. Raffick "Puna" Mohammed (Shazard's uncle) - Major criminal empire
4. Naim Naya Ali - San Juan fruit king drug lord (Mentioned in the Scott Drug Report)
5. Nankissoon Boodram (Dole Chadee) - Most notorious drug criminal

Multiple top level east indian drug lords using african employees for their dirty work.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1437243633692620/

[gastly369]

6ixx outside

6ixx ft under....

[pugboy]

race debates starting to hot up

[paid_influencer]

race debates starting to hot up

think this is the goal for the pnm. reframe whole families getting kill out and homes getting invaded into a race issue. hadda support your side and keep them racist indian out of govt

[alfa]

Rebuttal by David Muhammad

Is it fair to say that African people are the biggest criminals in T&T? Let's examine the facts.

1. Boysie Singh - First notorious and only serial killer in T&T
2. Shazard Khan (Teddy Mice) - Big fish drug dealer from El Socorro in the 1980s.
3. Raffick "Puna" Mohammed (Shazard's uncle) - Major criminal empire
4. Naim Naya Ali - San Juan fruit king drug lord (Mentioned in the Scott Drug Report)
5. Nankissoon Boodram (Dole Chadee) - Most notorious drug criminal

Multiple top level east indian drug lords using african employees for their dirty work.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1437243633692620/

If Dr David could still be blaming slavery for societal ills in 2023 I guess boysie Singh and teddy from just a few decades ago is fair game to

[paid_influencer]

kamla not equipped to deal with these issues. facts. UNC is a dead horse. 2025 will go just like 2020 and 2015 lewwe BE REAL BE REAL. we only hope is to replace kamla somebody more adept at dealing with the pnm's expertise is weaponizing race saddam could do it

[pugboy]

govts love to have ppl divided

race debates starting to hot up

think this is the goal for the pnm. reframe whole families getting kill out and homes getting invaded into a race issue. hadda support your side and keep them racist indian out of govt

[Dizzy28]

Any surprise a man who has a notorious anti semite in his profile picture has such shiddy takes?

[MaxPower]

kamla not equipped to deal with these issues. facts. UNC is a dead horse. 2025 will go just like 2020 and 2015 lewwe BE REAL BE REAL. we only hope is to replace kamla somebody more adept at dealing with the pnm's expertise is weaponizing race saddam could do it

X3000

PNM 2025 inches closer and closer

[ruffneck_12]

Rebuttal by David Muhammad

Is it fair to say that African people are the biggest criminals in T&T? Let's examine the facts.

1. Boysie Singh - First notorious and only serial killer in T&T
2. Shazard Khan (Teddy Mice) - Big fish drug dealer from El Socorro in the 1980s.
3. Raffick "Puna" Mohammed (Shazard's uncle) - Major criminal empire
4. Naim Naya Ali - San Juan fruit king drug lord (Mentioned in the Scott Drug Report)
5. Nankissoon Boodram (Dole Chadee) - Most notorious drug criminal

Multiple top level east indian drug lords using african employees for their dirty work.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1437243633692620/

Put Sheron in this list as well please..

But note something eh.....
These men were the heads. The top bosses.

even in crime, the less melanated seem to come out on top.

Even robocop couldn't compare. What colour was his lambo?
It's time for my Melanated brothers step up to the challenge, doh let these Channa Enthusiasts and Gyro/Textile Enthusiasts step over you, CLAIM THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID. You can do it We believe in you

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