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Re: Panday to start a new political party - The Patriotic Front

Postby MaxPower » May 28th, 2024, 12:54 pm

maj. tom wrote:She maybe feel that daddy's death suddenly changes things and promoted her to popularity or something. In her circle small of praise and yesmen maybe, but for the rest of voters it just disappointing and yet another donkey kicking game from people who not serious.


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Postby The_Honourable » May 28th, 2024, 1:51 pm

I believe many forgot that Mickela was in the UNC trenches in the 2000s and gathered experience when she became the MP for Oropouche West in 2007. With the fallout between her father and kams in 2010, and obviously standing behind her father, mickela moved to the political background until she slowly started to come forward in 2019.

She could have gone up in GE 2020 but she would have lost and that would not have been a good start. She correctly "read the room" and sit it out. She could have gone up for locals 2023 but she would have lost anyway. Those losses would have been used against her.

Eyes are on her since her father's passing so how she uses this momentum remains to be seen. I agree, she needs at least a base. It's been a long time since a third party has national interest that PEP and NTA can only dream off.

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Re: Panday to start a new political party - The Patriotic Front

Postby MG Man » May 29th, 2024, 10:33 am

sMASH wrote:
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maj. tom wrote:Unless the plan is a coalition at the end. Because only the UNC really has parliamentary experience with all the procedures and the actual politicking game that is necessary to win any meaningful fraction of the voters. That's why I say earlier how Mickela cudda go up for the last Locals and it would have been experience in the bag. Paray could have been the PM choice for the nation in an alternative universe.


she had how many years now to throw her hat into the ring and gain experience?
But nah, jump out a year before gen elections and slap together a party....failure on every level
If she get some nostalgic benefactors to pay for trailer truck and TV spots. Then time to campaign she borrow a mic and hold some walk abouts... I would say it would be a profitable exercise


nope too many ole tanties and mamoos are stuck in their ways to turn away from their lord and saviour tantie kams
the most 'bas-with-a-wig' will do is split votes the way COP did......she will serve no other purpose than to help kams hand the ruling party another term, which is something that kams and her bag of has-beens seems dead set on doing

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Re: Panday to start a new political party - The Patriotic Front

Postby The_Honourable » May 29th, 2024, 4:13 pm

A good editorial

Mickela’s political challenge

Mickela Panday's rejuvenation of the Patriotic Front ahead of a general election constitutionally due next year, is intriguing to say the least.

The well-known daughter of the late United National Congress (UNC) founder, Basdeo Panday, who has been riding a wave of renewed popularity since Mr Panday's passing in January, has announced her intention to field a full slate of 41 candidates whenever the election bell rings.

However, political tongues are already wagging in and outside of the UNC about the Panday legacy and whether Mickela will ultimately find a place back home within the opposition party.

Like her father whom she revered, Ms Panday was never far from politics. When she was elected as the Oropouche West MP in 2007, many in the party viewed her as the future face of the UNC.

But those hopes were quickly dashed after Kamla Persad-Bissessar took over the leadership of the UNC in January 2010.

Ms Panday was unceremoniously replaced in short order by Stacy Roopnarine as the UNC candidate for Oropouche West in the May 24, 2010, General Election, which the People's Partnership won.

At the time, Ms Panday had maintained that she was being victimised because she was a Panday and that Mrs Persad-Bissessar was seeking to suppress the Panday political legacy in a bid to establish her own.

However, Mrs Persad-Bissessar's contention was that Mr Panday could no longer lead the UNC to victory at the polls, and that fresh blood was needed.

Given this backdrop, Ms Panday’s return to active politics is significant, coming at a time when the tables have turned on Mrs Persad-Bissessar, who is now the one fighting to defend her leadership against those who believe she can no longer lead the party to victory at the polls.

While Ms Panday has so far denied claims that she is in talks with Rushton Paray, who is leading the charge for change in the UNC, we look forward with bated breath to the outcome of the party's upcoming internal elections, since it appears some members of the party are too disenchanted with Persad-Bissessar's leadership to continue to offer her their support heading into next year's national poll.

For those in the UNC who believe that Paray and his faction are not a viable alternative to Persad-Bissessar, Ms Panday could very well be the necessary link between the old and the new.

This all makes for a very interesting road ahead to the next general election.

However, Panday’s daughter or not, Mickela must still prove herself as a suitable leader for T&T and convince the electorate that her Patriotic Front has more to offer them than either the UNC or the incumbent PNM.

More now than ever, with T&T clamouring for non-traditional responses to pressing national issues, she must demonstrate she has the mettle to stand on her own, which is easier said than done.

T&T's political graveyard is littered with other significant campaigners who once showed promise only to be obliterated by the main two parties.

How Ms Panday navigates the ghosts of her past to craft a new and viable political future for herself and her followers, will determine the success of her mission.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/article/mick ... e5ceaa89f9

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Postby paid_influencer » May 29th, 2024, 10:48 pm

"we look forward with bated breath to the outcome of the party's upcoming internal elections"

are we also on drugs

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Postby Country_Bookie » May 29th, 2024, 11:19 pm

Maybe we reading this wrong and it's a strategic move by Mickela Panday?
She sees that there will be another coalition of UNC, NTA & PEP for the election next year.... with NTA being a fairly recently formed party and PEP never having come close to winning a seat. Both parties are characterized by one big personality with some degree of societal influence / news making ability.

Maybe she feels if she can attract enough attention which leads to a perception of some degree of support, she can make a case for a seat at the coalition table. UNC might give her a marginal seat to make her earn that place. This would be her best bet at avoiding political irrelevance. Can't see her winning a seat on her own.

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Re: Panday to start a new political party - The Patriotic Front

Postby death365 » May 30th, 2024, 3:42 am

Na ... na boy ... unc will NEVER EVER EVER ask her to join for fear that she takes over the party ...


Country_Bookie wrote:Maybe we reading this wrong and it's a strategic move by Mickela Panday?
She sees that there will be another coalition of UNC, NTA & PEP for the election next year.... with NTA being a fairly recently formed party and PEP never having come close to winning a seat. Both parties are characterized by one big personality with some degree of societal influence / news making ability.

Maybe she feels if she can attract enough attention which leads to a perception of some degree of support, she can make a case for a seat at the coalition table. UNC might give her a marginal seat to make her earn that place. This would be her best bet at avoiding political irrelevance. Can't see her winning a seat on her own.

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Postby The_Honourable » May 30th, 2024, 3:55 pm

Country_Bookie wrote:Maybe we reading this wrong and it's a strategic move by Mickela Panday?
She sees that there will be another coalition of UNC, NTA & PEP for the election next year.... with NTA being a fairly recently formed party and PEP never having come close to winning a seat. Both parties are characterized by one big personality with some degree of societal influence / news making ability.

Maybe she feels if she can attract enough attention which leads to a perception of some degree of support, she can make a case for a seat at the coalition table. UNC might give her a marginal seat to make her earn that place. This would be her best bet at avoiding political irrelevance. Can't see her winning a seat on her own.


By announcing that she is contesting all 41 seats, Mickela has Kamla on edge, the UNC further in a state of flux, third parties becoming irrelevant, and pnm taking keen interest on what happens next. There are a lot of events that have to be fulfilled over the next year in the unc camp before we clearly have an idea what the full strategy is. Mostly, it depends on unc natex elections on june 15th and unc internals for political leader next year. According to how things play off, in my opinion we looking at a repeat of either 2007 or 2010.

2007 Scenario:

In 2006, after Basdeo Panday reneged on allowing Winston Dookeran to run the UNC as political leader, dooks and a portion of the UNC who were fedup of panday (and with some anti-manning) went on an formed the COP. They ended up disproportionately splitting the vote of the UNC giving pnm the general election win in 2007.

If the Kamla's star slate is elected in the natex elections next month, Kamla safe and would win the internals for political leader next year. This means that the status quo continues and is Kamla's UNC we would be dealing with. If Mickela Panday's Patriotic Front gains momentum, we're looking at COP 2.0 with other 3rd parties becoming irrelevant. If the momentum is high, Kamla would extend an olive branch to Mickela to have a coalition but there is too much bad blood so I doubt Mickela will go for it. Worse yet if Kams have a patchwork coalition with NTA and maybe PEP, not only is a disaster waiting to happen, Micks sorted out Phillip recently in court and there is (allegedly) history between her and Gary back in the day so even more reason not to join. Anyway just like 2007 with Dooks, Mickela will end up disproportionately splitting the vote of the UNC giving pnm the general election win in 2025.

2010 Scenario (which I believe Mickela is hoping for in some form next year):

Jack Warner, Ramesh Maharaj and Winston Peters launched a "caravan of change" in the UNC to get Basdeo Panday out. Internals for political leader were held in early 2010 and Kamla won. COP was still relevant although momentum dropped as the anti-pandays went back "home" to the UNC. Kams then became the opposition leader, formed a coalition and won the 2010 snap election.

If Paray's united patriots slate is elected in natex elections next month, Kamla is in trouble with internals for political leader next year. I would not be surprised she is forced out like Basdeo Panday in 2010 or save face and walk away. The Patriotic Front will lose some momentum if Kamla is gone as anti-kamlas would go back "home" to the UNC but would remain relevant as the party would be more attractive than other third parties such as the NTA and PEP. Now who would be the new political leader of the UNC remains to be seen but that person would be more favorable to Mickela to form a "UNC-PF" coalition which would have a much stronger chance to defeat the pnm.

Mickela more than likely will contest the marginal seat of San Fernando West. If Kamla stays as leader of the UNC, it would a 3 way which may give Faris and the pnm the win. If Kamla is deposed and there is a coalition, it would be Panday vs Faris.

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Re: Panday to start a new political party - The Patriotic Front

Postby paid_influencer » June 20th, 2024, 9:16 pm

mikela deserve silk imo

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Postby zoom rader » June 20th, 2024, 9:19 pm

paid_influencer wrote:mikela deserve silk imo

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Habit7 will defend the PNM silk awards with more spin and his bull§ĥìț

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Postby DMan7 » August 27th, 2024, 8:54 pm

That man fuss name is Tarzan inno. Must be one of those fake social media names?

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Postby zoom rader » August 27th, 2024, 9:07 pm

DMan7 wrote:That man fuss name is Tarzan inno. Must be one of those fake social media names?
Probably Habit7 or the other PNM clowns

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Postby paid_influencer » August 27th, 2024, 9:23 pm

2020 was a fluke because of covid

without covid rowley would never have won a second term

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Postby Country_Bookie » August 27th, 2024, 9:34 pm

paid_influencer wrote:2020 was a fluke because of covid

without covid rowley would never have won a second term
If Kamla stays as leader of the opposition for another 20 years, Rowley safe as Prime Minister for another 20 years.

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Postby wing » August 27th, 2024, 10:07 pm

paid_influencer wrote:2020 was a fluke because of covid

without covid rowley would never have won a second term
How was it a fluke? Did you contract COVID if you voted UNC? Please explain.

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Postby paid_influencer » August 27th, 2024, 10:24 pm

2020 was a special case because the pandemic took the focus off of crime and the economy. i wouldn't read too much into the local govt elections. in the next GE, the population will let rowley know how they feel about crime and the economy.

kamla going to win in 2025, and again I'll reiterate that I am willing to putting my account on the line for that. all those predicting doom and gloom for kamla aren't willing to put anything on the line, strangely.

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Postby The_Honourable » August 27th, 2024, 11:06 pm

paid_influencer wrote:2020 was a special case because the pandemic took the focus off of crime and the economy. i wouldn't read too much into the local govt elections. in the next GE, the population will let rowley know how they feel about crime and the economy.

kamla going to win in 2025, and again I'll reiterate that I am willing to putting my account on the line for that. all those predicting doom and gloom for kamla aren't willing to put anything on the line, strangely.


Let's discuss some details, how long you would be gone for? 6 months? a year?

Agree for mods to enforce a ban under the stipulated time period in case yuh ketch a vaps and break yuh word?

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Postby st7 » August 28th, 2024, 12:26 am

The_Honourable wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:2020 was a special case because the pandemic took the focus off of crime and the economy. i wouldn't read too much into the local govt elections. in the next GE, the population will let rowley know how they feel about crime and the economy.

kamla going to win in 2025, and again I'll reiterate that I am willing to putting my account on the line for that. all those predicting doom and gloom for kamla aren't willing to put anything on the line, strangely.


Let's discuss some details, how long you would be gone for? 6 months? a year?

Agree for mods to enforce a ban under the stipulated time period in case yuh ketch a vaps and break yuh word?


ent he said a similar thing last time and never follow thru?

like how PEA always giving up political leader for PEP

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Postby paid_influencer » August 28th, 2024, 7:55 am

The_Honourable wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:2020 was a special case because the pandemic took the focus off of crime and the economy. i wouldn't read too much into the local govt elections. in the next GE, the population will let rowley know how they feel about crime and the economy.

kamla going to win in 2025, and again I'll reiterate that I am willing to putting my account on the line for that. all those predicting doom and gloom for kamla aren't willing to put anything on the line, strangely.


Let's discuss some details, how long you would be gone for? 6 months? a year?

Agree for mods to enforce a ban under the stipulated time period in case yuh ketch a vaps and break yuh word?


I say 6 months.

I'll agree to mod enforcement if another regular poster agrees, in turn, to a self-ban if KPB wins. Otherwise it is a contract without consideration. There must be some upside to it for me.

Are you willing to back up your words?
see dais the thing, all these people shouting kbp can't win, but not willing to stand behind that statement.
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Postby Dizzy28 » August 28th, 2024, 7:56 am

DMan7 wrote:That man fuss name is Tarzan inno. Must be one of those fake social media names?


Nope his nickname since I in high school and what everyone calls him is Tarzan. Anyone who went to a gym in the Tunapuna El Dorado region anytime over the past 30 years know him well. He is (maybe still is) a trainer. I wouldn't know becuase I have embraced the fluffy lifestyle

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Postby wing » August 28th, 2024, 9:19 am

paid_influencer wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:2020 was a special case because the pandemic took the focus off of crime and the economy. i wouldn't read too much into the local govt elections. in the next GE, the population will let rowley know how they feel about crime and the economy.

kamla going to win in 2025, and again I'll reiterate that I am willing to putting my account on the line for that. all those predicting doom and gloom for kamla aren't willing to put anything on the line, strangely.


Let's discuss some details, how long you would be gone for? 6 months? a year?

Agree for mods to enforce a ban under the stipulated time period in case yuh ketch a vaps and break yuh word?


I say 6 months.

I'll agree to mod enforcement if another regular poster agrees, in turn, to a self-ban if KPB wins. Otherwise it is a contract without consideration. There must be some upside to it for me.

Are you willing to back up your words?
see dais the thing, all these people shouting kbp can't win, but not willing to stand behind that statement.
There was a member that was banned for a year, but continued posting with other accounts. So self ban is a woft, just like PEA.

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Re: Panday to start a new political party - The Patriotic Front

Postby alfa » August 28th, 2024, 9:22 am

paid_influencer wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:
paid_influencer wrote:2020 was a special case because the pandemic took the focus off of crime and the economy. i wouldn't read too much into the local govt elections. in the next GE, the population will let rowley know how they feel about crime and the economy.

kamla going to win in 2025, and again I'll reiterate that I am willing to putting my account on the line for that. all those predicting doom and gloom for kamla aren't willing to put anything on the line, strangely.


Let's discuss some details, how long you would be gone for? 6 months? a year?

Agree for mods to enforce a ban under the stipulated time period in case yuh ketch a vaps and break yuh word?


I say 6 months.

I'll agree to mod enforcement if another regular poster agrees, in turn, to a self-ban if KPB wins. Otherwise it is a contract without consideration. There must be some upside to it for me.

Are you willing to back up your words?
see dais the thing, all these people shouting kbp can't win, but not willing to stand behind that statement.

This ain't a casino, whoever wins or loses shouldn't affect us as everyone makes a good contribution at least once and one shouldn't deprive oneself of that. If kamla loses and she will, banning yourself not going to alter anything on the political or tuner scene

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