Leaving Trinidad for good...

[zoom rader]

Best country to migrate to overall is Canada, however it is friggin cold. NZ would be a good second place though.

USA is only good if you will to work your ass off. I like it, but it can also be a very catch-ass society.

UK - very very different culture to us, you will feel like an alien there compared to the US/Canada. Europe is much better on the whole but while most ppl know English, it's expected you will learn the language. Also, aside from France, Swis and Germany, the job market sucks.

What's the income tax like in those countries you listed there?

Higher than in T&T in all except the US, but not as high as you might think.

The brackets are incremental. In the UK I worked for £70,000 a year, which is a normal professional salary. After taxes it was around £4000 per month which means I paid 30% in income tax.

The difference is you actually see your tax money working for you in the UK.

Here it is wasted and stolen by wigs and weave Kamilie and Shamfa cell phone bill's .

Still don't get why people don't realize that the inhabitants of those higher tax paying countries actually appreciate this, and see it as their duty to pay for the proper upkeep and maintenance of their services and economy.

Nah our tax dollars have to pay the last MP Mr D Smith touchy feely behaviour and you don't hear pastor Habit7 talk about that .

[widdyphuck]

Best country to migrate to overall is Canada, however it is friggin cold. NZ would be a good second place though.

USA is only good if you will to work your ass off. I like it, but it can also be a very catch-ass society.

UK - very very different culture to us, you will feel like an alien there compared to the US/Canada. Europe is much better on the whole but while most ppl know English, it's expected you will learn the language. Also, aside from France, Swis and Germany, the job market sucks.

What's the income tax like in those countries you listed there?

Higher than in T&T in all except the US, but not as high as you might think.

The brackets are incremental. In the UK I worked for £70,000 a year, which is a normal professional salary. After taxes it was around £4000 per month which means I paid 30% in income tax.

The difference is you actually see your tax money working for you in the UK.

Here it is wasted and stolen by wigs and weave Kamilie and Shamfa cell phone bill's .

Still don't get why people don't realize that the inhabitants of those higher tax paying countries actually appreciate this, and see it as their duty to pay for the proper upkeep and maintenance of their services and economy.

Nah our tax dollars have to pay the last MP Mr D Smith touchy feely behaviour and you don't hear pastor Habit7 talk about that .

In all honesty the leader of the red government slept with Mr D Smith's wife so that's why he got touchy feely

[SuperiorMan]

Did Trinidad get better since this thread was made?

Very informative thread.

[Kickstart]

Did Trinidad get better since this thread was made?

Very informative thread.

Yeah ex minsters daughter and Prime Minister daughter can come and go as they please.

[widdyphuck]

Did Trinidad get better since this thread was made?

Very informative thread.

Yeah ex minsters daughter and Prime Minister daughter can come and go as they please.

Honestly no it did not.
Actually it got worse and I should have left earlier pre COVID-19.

[matr1x]

And piarco get paved when PM daughter came in

[solarkh]

Much thanks for the info and insight fellow tuners.

So why Australia?

1. The weather is good
2. Commonwealth
3. English speaking
4. Right hand drive
5. Not just first world but high first world by virtue of its HDI
6. Everybody rushing Canada and whilst that is not a bad choice, it's good to have some alternatives.

I'll start with SkillSelect, thanks.

Everything will kill you in Australia. Probably New Zealand a better choice

[jhonnieblue]

You know when someone never travel before lol

Much thanks for the info and insight fellow tuners.

So why Australia?

1. The weather is good
2. Commonwealth
3. English speaking
4. Right hand drive
5. Not just first world but high first world by virtue of its HDI
6. Everybody rushing Canada and whilst that is not a bad choice, it's good to have some alternatives.

I'll start with SkillSelect, thanks.

Everything will kill you in Australia. Probably New Zealand a better choice

[Habit7]

Jamaicans head list of Caribbean people heading to Canada

Sunday, May 16, 2021
BY KIMONE FRANCIS

JAMAICANS top the number of migrants making their way to Canada from the Caribbean region, data from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) has revealed.

Some 21,215 Jamaicans have acquired permanent resident status in the North American country, accounting for 45 per cent of the 47,265 Caricom nationals who have immigrated there since 2015.

Haiti followed with 12,885 nationals immigrating, Guyana 2,605; Trinidad and Tobago 2,525; St Vincent and the Grenadines 2,310; St Lucia 1,970; Barbados 985; The Bahamas 845; Grenada 615; Antigua 455; Belize 380; Dominica 215; St Kitts and Nevis 185; while Suriname accounted for 55.

The IRCC data, requested by the Jamaica Observer, showed that in 2015, 3,415 Jamaicans packed for Canada; 3,560 left in 2016; 3,830 in 2017; 3,875 in 2018, 3,980 in 2019, 2,030 in 2020; and 525 between January and March 2021.

It is believed that economic challenges in addition to the country's high crime rate are the push factors behind the steady exodus.

The IRCC data showed that most Jamaicans immigrated through sponsorship from a spouse or partner under the Federal Skills Trade Program or the Federal Skilled Worker Program.

The Federal Skilled Worker Program is for skilled workers with foreign work experience who want to immigrate to Canada permanently, while the Federal Skilled Trades Program (Express Entry) caters to skilled workers who want to become permanent residents based on being qualified in a skilled trade.

Since 2015, the majority of Jamaicans (785) invited to apply to provinces under the country's Federal Skilled Trades Program (Express Entry) acquired permanent resident status in New Brunswick, one of the least populated provinces in the country. Vancouver and Ontario accounted for the lowest.

Immigration consultant Renee Braham-Gordon singled out health-care and economic stability as the two most common reasons for Jamaicans resettling in Canada.

The Jamaican, who is managing director of MEIA Immigration Consulting Inc, explained that the country offers universal health care to citizens and permanent residents through a public health insurance scheme. With it, the two groups do not have to pay for most health-care services.

Braham-Gordon, who lives and operates out of Canada, noted also that education and cultural diversity are other factors that account for relocation.

“Canada needs immigrants. They need people to work and people are willing to come and do that. There is always employment here. It may not be in the field that you want, but employment is always here. We're the second-largest country in the world by land mass and the government needs people to occupy and work in these different areas and spaces.

“So, even though the population is now estimated at 37.5 million, people are needed. When you go to the countrysides you get a better understanding of how much human capital is needed. We need people to farm, we need people for construction and so much more. At one point they were paying people to move to certain areas in the country,” Braham-Gordon told the Sunday Observer in an interview last week.

“People come here also to secure their kid's future, because here, where education is concerned, what an international student will pay for tuition is sometimes three, four or five times [more] than what a domestic student will pay. So to give their children that opportunity persons migrate,” she added.

https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/news/ja ... ofile=1373

[Kickstart]

It's very sad when you have to leave your own country because the government failed at providing a better life for you.

[sam1978]

If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.

[SuperiorMan]

Better quality life in the States/Canada/Europe

[The Bamboo Online]

Better quality life in the States/Canada/Europe

If the general population was permitted to travel to these countries as freely as people from those countries are allowed to visit us here more local people would experience this better way of life for themselves an come back and try to emulate it here, like those folks who live in gated communities, instead of watching it on TV.

So until then it’s crab in barrel life.

[MaxPower]

If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.

Exactly.

[Kickstart]

If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.

You can put all the effort in Trinidad but when you have a pnm government that discriminate against you then that's a different story

[Habit7]

The stats showing a lesser disproportionate amount of Trinis migrating to Canada relative to the rest of the Caribbean. If anything, other govts are not providing opportunities for their ppl thus pushing them to migrate here. The same place where ppl crying that there are not enough opportunities.

[Bad Dog]

If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.

You can put all the effort in Trinidad but when you have a pnm government that discriminate against you then that's a different story

There are people in Trinidad who put in the same or greater effort (than those who moved to US and Canada) to improve their lives and do very well but they live in fear and in caged homes as a result of crime and related factors. The few that are well to do cannot do much to improve the overall situation of others.
Corruption and mismanagement of the resources by the elected officials is the biggest hindrance to improvement to the lives of the population. In most countries the government is the biggest employer, they create jobs and opportunities to develop a strong middle class and that's were the growth and prosperity begins with the trickle down effect. However, the government promotes the opposite.
If you make a list all issues that could improve your lifestyle and standard of living you would see that it already exists in US/Canada and other countries so you don't have to change the mindset. You just have to learn to live with the cold/snow.

[Redress10]

Those countries are only good because ppl such as trinidadians are not in control of them. Trinis migrate and play no significant part in the affairs of those countries hence the countries keep advancing.

The problem with Trinidad is the people. Change the people and you change the country

[SuperiorMan]

If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.

You can put all the effort in Trinidad but when you have a pnm government that discriminate against you then that's a different story

There are people in Trinidad who put in the same or greater effort (than those who moved to US and Canada) to improve their lives and do very well but they live in fear and in caged homes as a result of crime and related factors. The few that are well to do cannot do much to improve the overall situation of others.
Corruption and mismanagement of the resources by the elected officials is the biggest hindrance to improvement to the lives of the population. In most countries the government is the biggest employer, they create jobs and opportunities to develop a strong middle class and that's were the growth and prosperity begins with the trickle down effect. However, the government promotes the opposite.
If you make a list all issues that could improve your lifestyle and standard of living you would see that it already exists in US/Canada and other countries so you don't have to change the mindset. You just have to learn to live with the cold/snow.

There are places without the cold/snow in the US

[SimSimmer69]

If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.

You need to move to the front of the class. I studied in the US between 1998 and 2002. Worked till 2004. I can with 100% certainty tell you that locals in the US work harder because simply...THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. The capitalist system in the USA turns you into a slave and depending on the industry you're working in, you have to fight for vacations, personal days and even time to see about your own family and health. Talking about healthcare, the US has the worst system for any developed country. Over 40% of Americans can't afford to get sick or go to the doctor if they're feeling sick for fear of a diagnosis that may get them bankrupt. A lot of Trinbagonians just don't know how great it is here, we have our issues as any developing country but many of them can be fixed if we root out our #1 reason for people not investing or coming to T&T to open business...CORRUPTION!

Additionally, the same people who leave Trinidad for a better life in the US are the same ones who actively try to evade taxes here. They try to enjoy the island life without paying their dues. We're not perfect but as someone who's been a part of the American workforce and system for a few years I can tell you that it's not a bed of roses. Work till you die!

[SuperiorMan]

If the people who run to the US and Canada put the same effort here that they do up there , there would be no need to run.

You need to move to the front of the class. I studied in the US between 1998 and 2002. Worked till 2004. I can with 100% certainty tell you that locals in the US work harder because simply...THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. The capitalist system in the USA turns you into a slave and depending on the industry you're working in, you have to fight for vacations, personal days and even time to see about your own family and health. Talking about healthcare, the US has the worst system for any developed country. Over 40% of Americans can't afford to get sick or go to the doctor if they're feeling sick for fear of a diagnosis that may get them bankrupt. A lot of Trinbagonians just don't know how great it is here, we have our issues as any developing country but many of them can be fixed if we root out our #1 reason for people not investing or coming to T&T to open business...CORRUPTION!

Additionally, the same people who leave Trinidad for a better life in the US are the same ones who actively try to evade taxes here. They try to enjoy the island life without paying their dues. We're not perfect but as someone who's been a part of the American workforce and system for a few years I can tell you that it's not a bed of roses. Work till you die!

They have the best healthcare if you can afford it. There's a reason why the 1% and the rich go there when they're in trouble.

[Redress10]

Most ppl in TT see the country as a stepping stone to migrating to another country. People don't plan on living here for generations. In contrast look how the Israelis and Palestinians fighting for a patch of dusty dessert land for centuries now. Trinis will never fight for this land if it came down to it. They would quicker migrate

[FrankChag]

The States specifically is slavery.
Other places (uk/canada/germany/scandanavia), not so bad.

Imagine trying to get 21 day's off in the States.
I believe maternity leave is unpaid (tbc)

And... Countries topping number of paid public holidays:

Cambodia=29
Sri Lanka=26
India=21
Colombia, the Philippines, Trinidad and Tobago=18!
USA... 10.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/count ... 52891.html

[Redress10]

Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.

[Habit7]

Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.

X2

[Wraith King]

Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.

Who do you think pay for subsidies?

[SuperiorMan]

The States specifically is slavery.
Other places (uk/canada/germany/scandanavia), not so bad.

Imagine trying to get 21 day's off in the States.
I believe maternity leave is unpaid (tbc)

And... Countries topping number of paid public holidays:

Cambodia=29
Sri Lanka=26
India=21
Colombia, the Philippines, Trinidad and Tobago=18!
USA... 10.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/count ... 52891.html

Frank,

You cannot lump all jobs into one and say they all try to get 21 days off. Let's be realistic now. Some jobs are better than others. I know software engineers that are living a life that people in Trinidad would dream off.

[SuperiorMan]

Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.

Redress10,

Very true. You make a lot of good points in this thread.

[Redress10]

Trinidad problem is one of productivity. People simply are not interested in being productive citizens. Just look at how many holidays they always looking forward to. In other countries a holiday is equal to a loss in earnings.

Trinis are too subsidised that they taking things for granted. Remove subsidies and let them pay the real price for things.

Who do you think pay for subsidies?

You are not supposed to be "subsidised". Subsidies are there to "help" the poor. That is why the "rich" is taxed. It's like a balancing scale. You are supposed to be subsidised technically until you get on your feet and are able to contribute to the country. We have been subsidised to the sums of billions for generations.

Subsidies create "fake" consumption. Because things such as school and healthcare are subsidised ppl spend their money on non productive things. It could be fete tickets, car rims etc. Essentially if their lives weren't subsidised then they would have to spend their money on necessities.

There is also the opportunity costs of paying for subsidies. This money could have been better used to increase the Heritage and Stabilisation fund, diversification or improve infrastructure etc

[FrankChag]

The States specifically is slavery.
Other places (uk/canada/germany/scandanavia), not so bad.

Imagine trying to get 21 day's off in the States.
I believe maternity leave is unpaid (tbc)

And... Countries topping number of paid public holidays:

Cambodia=29
Sri Lanka=26
India=21
Colombia, the Philippines, Trinidad and Tobago=18!
USA... 10.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/count ... 52891.html

Frank,

You cannot lump all jobs into one and say they all try to get 21 days off. Let's be realistic now. Some jobs are better than others. I know software engineers that are living a life that people in Trinidad would dream off.

I think the overarching point was the QWL/work-life-balance.
Consider the slavery to your job's health-insurance alone... you don't work/have a job, you die.


There are better places.
See https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2021/