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Google has suspended business operations with Huawei effectively immediately due to US Sanctions

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 19th, 2019, 7:15 pm

Google has suspended business operations with Huawei effectively immediately, a forced move that will have a dramatic impact on Huawei devices across the globe.

According to Reuters, citing a source close to the matter, Google was forced into suspending business with Huawei that “requires the transfer of hardware and software products.”

“Huawei Technologies Co Ltd will immediately lose access to updates to the Android operating system, and the next version of its smartphones outside of China will also lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play Store and Gmail app,” Reuters noted.

This effectively means no further Android security updates for devices new and old, including the recent P30 and P30 Pro, Mate 20 Pro, and many more.

Google’s actions come after the U.S. Commerce Department’s announcement on Wednesday, which placed Huawei and some 68 affiliates on a so-called Entity List, a trade blacklist, following an executive order signed by U.S. President Trump.

This is the same list that ZTE was added to and subsequently removed from, over the course of 2018, which caused it massive disruption. Huawei is now effectively forbidden from buying parts and components from U.S. companies without U.S. government approval – which includes Android.

This is, of course, a massive blow if the story is accurate. One of Huawei’s arms, its HiSilicon chip division, had stated it has “long been ready” for any ban, while Huawei has previously mentioned it has been preparing for six years or more for any ban of Android. Honor, a sub-brand of Huawei, had been set to launch the Honor 20 on Tuesday May 21, in London — it’s unclear what will now happen.

The Chinese giant said in a statement earlier this week that it was “against the decision made by the Bureau of Industry and Security of the U.S. Department of Commerce.”

https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei ... id-987873/

This is really sad, the Huawei P30 Pro has an amazing camera for a phone

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Re: Google has suspended business operations with Huawei effectively immediately due to US Sanctions

Postby sMASH » May 19th, 2019, 7:22 pm

thats hypocritical. just the other day, fbi and nsa was begging fone companies to install backdoors that they could use to infiltrate mobile devices easily.
waittttt, my wifi router thing is huawei..... hmmn,

guess i gotta get updates from china region, then..

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Postby pugboy » May 19th, 2019, 7:23 pm

Waiting for the China lash back against iPhones

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Postby maj. tom » May 19th, 2019, 7:23 pm

“Huawei Technologies Co Ltd will immediately lose access to updates to the Android operating system, and the next version of its smartphones outside of China will also lose access to popular applications and services including the Google Play Store and Gmail app,” Reuters noted.


Well f*ck me!!!

Trade Wars have become very real. Can almost smell the gunpowder.

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Postby pugboy » May 19th, 2019, 7:25 pm

So what about the lower end fones like blu etc

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Postby nick639v2 » May 19th, 2019, 9:17 pm

pugboy wrote:So what about the lower end fones like blu etc
Well right now blu is a marginal player if relevant at all anymore.

With the sac of Huawei the other big players like One Plus / Oppo will get the share of the market when it comes to affordability in cell phones I think.


Why is Huawei banned but OnePlus(etc) isn’t?

Not too long ago, Huawei phones were carried by and had plans to expand coverage with more than one US mobile carrier. In the events that occurred over the past year, it became clear that the US intelligence community had reason to distrust Huawei for what they suggested was the potential for Chinese government-sponsored spying.

The reason Huawei is different from OnePlus in this respect is its choice of processor. Because the OnePlus 6T has a Qualcomm system-on-chip, the US government has no reason to distrust its abilities. OnePlus and Huawei may both be China-based, but Huawei makes their own processors. This leaves the potential for distrust amongst the US intelligence community – and in turn stops them from official US mobile carrier coverage.


It's the whole potential of a backdoor and access of information that brought about the ban, or so they claim.

These other phone manufacturers are absolutely killing it with tech and performance compared to the mainstream Samsung/Apple so it could also be a whole money move too, and mainstream companies just loving the clamp down on Huawei's empire.

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Postby pugboy » May 19th, 2019, 10:00 pm

The ban is against Chinese trade though , so I suspect one plus may get affected also
Assuming they are Chinese

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Postby screwbash » May 20th, 2019, 5:50 am

the rest of the world shud ban google

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Postby ismithx » May 20th, 2019, 7:11 am

True, google is becoming evil

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Postby death365 » May 20th, 2019, 7:37 am

I saw that coming... but if China bans iPhones it will only hurt them cause they make the iPhone

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Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » May 20th, 2019, 7:39 am

Google also bans conservatives and demonetizes anybody who shares conservative views aswell.

Google is just too big at this point now and all the tech companies collaborate with each other so soon other companies like Facebook etc will also be banning Huawei. This isn't too surprising, America is afraid of China and rightfully so, China is set to overtake the US economy and the next super power of the world the Americans simply cannot keep up with China anymore so the only solution if you can't beat them then ban them.

The other thing America cannot deal with is the low cost of these Chinese phones.

The Chinese government subsidizes a number of these Chinese smartphone makers which is why you are able to get such Amazing phones with high end specs for such cheap prices. Here in the west we cannot even dream of competing against something like that, so the only solution is to ban it.

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Postby Ben_spanna » May 20th, 2019, 8:15 am

China needs to slap Ridiculous High TAxes on Any US company that manufactures anything in China...then watch and see what will happen- for sure that would sent the us into a recession

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Postby teems1 » May 20th, 2019, 10:53 am

ismithx wrote:True, google is becoming evil


Google had no say in this.

They are legally responding to Trump's list of companies US is no longer allowed to do business with.

Huawei has helped grow Android morph an even bigger behemoth and are on track to overtake Samsung as the biggest phone producer.

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Postby teems1 » May 20th, 2019, 10:56 am

Ben_spanna wrote:China needs to slap Ridiculous High TAxes on Any US company that manufactures anything in China...then watch and see what will happen- for sure that would sent the us into a recession


Why would China shoot themselves in the foot? They want the US manufacturing business.

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Postby kstt » May 20th, 2019, 11:02 am

But isn't almost all communication technology worldwide, especially ours, produced by Huawei?

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Postby death365 » May 20th, 2019, 11:11 am

kstt wrote:But isn't almost all communication technology worldwide, especially ours, produced by Huawei?

yeah especially digi both home service- router and home box and mobile - background stuff. not sure how much bmobile has.

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Postby redmanjp » May 20th, 2019, 11:28 am

so this means that all Huawei devices we have lose access to updates if it's from a US location?

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Postby Ben_spanna » May 20th, 2019, 11:46 am

They wouldn't be shotting themselves in the foot if they were to tax apple heavily, that company along with all other us companies that have heavily invested in manufacturing plants abroad will have no choice other than to pay the hefty tarrifs, it would take years for companies to relocatee and put infrastructure in the US.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » May 20th, 2019, 12:49 pm

redmanjp wrote:so this means that all Huawei devices we have lose access to updates if it's from a US location?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48334739

How does this affect existing Huawei handsets?
Owners of Huawei or Honor phones will not find that they suddenly cannot install new apps or get updates for Google services.

The reason is that their devices have already been certified under processes known as the Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) and the Vendor Test Suite (VTS).

As a consequence, Google can provide them with new versions of its products and authorise downloads from its Play marketplace, without having to directly deal with Huawei itself.

The way these typically work is that Google gives Android device-makers the code for its software fixes about one month before it reveals details to the public about the vulnerabilities involved.

This gives manufacturers time to check the patches do not cause problems for their own proprietary software, and then to package up a customised version of the fixes as a download.

Huawei will now only learn of the patches on the same day they are released to the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), meaning there will be a lag before it can distribute them.

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Postby adnj » May 20th, 2019, 12:50 pm

kstt wrote:But isn't almost all communication technology worldwide, especially ours, produced by Huawei?
Chinese companies provide about 40% of all 4G Telecom hardware because their prices are attractive to underdeveloped nations.

Nordic countries (Finland and Sweden) have a larger worldwide footprint (nearly 50%) and supply most developed nations.

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Postby nightcrawler745 » May 20th, 2019, 2:01 pm

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
redmanjp wrote:so this means that all Huawei devices we have lose access to updates if it's from a US location?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48334739

How does this affect existing Huawei handsets?
Owners of Huawei or Honor phones will not find that they suddenly cannot install new apps or get updates for Google services.

The reason is that their devices have already been certified under processes known as the Compatibility Test Suite (CTS) and the Vendor Test Suite (VTS).

As a consequence, Google can provide them with new versions of its products and authorise downloads from its Play marketplace, without having to directly deal with Huawei itself.

The way these typically work is that Google gives Android device-makers the code for its software fixes about one month before it reveals details to the public about the vulnerabilities involved.

This gives manufacturers time to check the patches do not cause problems for their own proprietary software, and then to package up a customised version of the fixes as a download.

Huawei will now only learn of the patches on the same day they are released to the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), meaning there will be a lag before it can distribute them.
No that's is for only new coming Huawei all existing phones will function fully because they would be in the system just no software update just app support. That don't bother me persay because I have a Mate 20 pro and it works great so no need to panic.

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Postby adnj » May 20th, 2019, 2:54 pm

nightcrawler745 wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
redmanjp wrote:so this means that all Huawei devices we have lose access to updates if it's from a US location?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48334739
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Huawei will now only learn of the patches on the same day they are released to the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), meaning there will be a lag before it can distribute them.
No that's is for only new coming Huawei all existing phones will function fully because they would be in the system just no software update just app support. That don't bother me persay [sic] because I have a Mate 20 pro and it works great so no need to panic.


Kernel updates are available through AOSP for any developer. There is no preferred partner preview of updates available.

Simply put, all OS updates from Huawei for existing handsets will likely take longer.

All Android major version previews will be kept from Huawei until made public.

New Huawei handsets will likely not run the latest version of Android from the factory.

Additionally, no Google apps or services will be provided for upcoming Huawei handsets.

All Huawei devices are affected, worldwide.

https://www.axios.com/huaweis-smartphone-effort-takes-a-giant-hit-03390bfc-bb30-4465-b177-2dc17d9469f1.html

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Postby l33t2 » May 20th, 2019, 4:39 pm

Vicious tactics by the US. Though Huawei did anticipate this. Give them 2 years and you'll see a Chinese clone (I know there's many already, I mean a good clone) of Android or iOS, radio chips and other apps.

Honestly, this is a stupid move by the US. Cripple your enemy temporarily only to make them stronger in the long run. Kinda exactly what happened to Germany between WW1 and WW2.

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Postby l33t2 » May 20th, 2019, 4:42 pm

screwbash wrote:the rest of the world shud ban google


Well to be fair China has banned Google, Facebook and a number of US apps for years now. But this isn't exactly the same thing.

Huawei was quickly becoming dominant in the Android Sphere, I'm sure prior to this announcement, Huawei was on track to take the number one spot from Samsung.

Do not ever underestimate the Chinese. People feel China can't develop software, oh trust me, they're fast becoming a leader there. Much much better than India is, Chinese will make their own OS, Apps and chips and will win in the long run.

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Postby ismithx » May 20th, 2019, 4:44 pm

Yeah but all you keep thinking of Huawei as this player only in the consumer market, they own a massive share in the infrastructure business since long time

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Postby l33t2 » May 20th, 2019, 4:46 pm

ismithx wrote:Yeah but all you keep thinking of Huawei as this player only in the consumer market, they own a massive share in the infrastructure business since long time


I think that's common knowledge. The majority of Telco equipment is Huawei, who were banned previously by the US, but that didn't affect the average consumer directly. This does.

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Postby Slartibartfast » May 20th, 2019, 5:00 pm

l33t2 wrote:
screwbash wrote:the rest of the world shud ban google


Well to be fair China has banned Google, Facebook and a number of US apps for years now. But this isn't exactly the same thing.

Huawei was quickly becoming dominant in the Android Sphere, I'm sure prior to this announcement, Huawei was on track to take the number one spot from Samsung.

Do not ever underestimate the Chinese. People feel China can't develop software, oh trust me, they're fast becoming a leader there. Much much better than India is, Chinese will make their own OS, Apps and chips and will win in the long run.


Here's the thing, China is a manufacturing giant. They are capable of manufacturing quality on par with everywhere else, especially when it comes to electronics. The two things that give China a bad name in terms of manufacturing quality are
1. They always have cheaper options available due to low labour costs and not caring about things human life and wellbeing. You still get what you pay for though. Cheap shi!t is cheap sh!t. If you willing to pay good money for chinese stuff you will get good stuff
2. They are verrrrrrrry dishonest when it comes to business. Their culture is one where they save money wherever they can. If you do not double check absolutely everything and you accept it, then as far as they are concerned it was accepted and therefore is acceptable. Had a buddy work with a big chinese contractor. They would do things like submit specifications for a product that meets contract specs and then supply something that looks the same but is complete crap. It's up to you to call the proper manufacturer to confirm that their order was made and then follow up with their supplier, their supplier's supplier and their supplier's supplier's supplier to prove that what they got was from the wrong company.

Long story short.... watch then very slight. They only play stupid but they fully capable of anything you can imagine and they don't care about anybody that isn't socially higher than them and chinese.

(I not commenting on local chinese eh. They are hit and miss. Some of them are nice)

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Postby adnj » May 20th, 2019, 7:27 pm

l33t2 wrote:
screwbash wrote:the rest of the world shud ban google


Well to be fair China has banned Google, Facebook and a number of US apps for years now. But this isn't exactly the same thing.

Huawei was quickly becoming dominant in the Android Sphere, I'm sure prior to this announcement, Huawei was on track to take the number one spot from Samsung.

Do not ever underestimate the Chinese. People feel China can't develop software, oh trust me, they're fast becoming a leader there. Much much better than India is, Chinese will make their own OS, Apps and chips and will win in the long run.
The majority of Chinese consumers do not use the Google Play store.

Huawei is the share leader in China with an eye to expand Indian market share.

Locking Huawei out of the Play store will automatically reduce their take rate for consumer sales in EU, NA and SA.

Huawei is the largest 4G LTE network equipment provider because they supply China. Ericsson and Nokia have a supply footprint that is nearly as large.

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Postby l33t2 » May 20th, 2019, 10:31 pm

adnj wrote:
l33t2 wrote:
screwbash wrote:the rest of the world shud ban google


Well to be fair China has banned Google, Facebook and a number of US apps for years now. But this isn't exactly the same thing.

Huawei was quickly becoming dominant in the Android Sphere, I'm sure prior to this announcement, Huawei was on track to take the number one spot from Samsung.

Do not ever underestimate the Chinese. People feel China can't develop software, oh trust me, they're fast becoming a leader there. Much much better than India is, Chinese will make their own OS, Apps and chips and will win in the long run.
The majority of Chinese consumers do not use the Google Play store.

Huawei is the share leader in China with an eye to expand Indian market share.

Locking Huawei out of the Play store will automatically reduce their take rate for consumer sales in EU, NA and SA.

Huawei is the largest 4G LTE network equipment provider because they supply China. Ericsson and Nokia have a supply footprint that is nearly as large.


I'm pretty sure Huawei will take even more market share from the Scandinavian companies in 4G and 5G equipment.

This is a dangerous game the US playing, why give China the incentive to become a tech powerhouse. That was the one major advantage the US was fully capable of maintaining as they were lightyears ahead in tech software.

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