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Postby Gladiator » September 23rd, 2021, 7:36 am

Correct me if I am wrong. But didn't Gary at the beginning of his appointment have some fall out with Hinds and told the Govt that he can't work with him so they put Stewart Young as minister and boot out Hinds?

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Postby pugboy » September 23rd, 2021, 7:50 am

not hinds

allegedly the other army man


Gladiator wrote:Correct me if I am wrong. But didn't Gary at the beginning of his appointment have some fall out with Hinds and told the Govt that he can't work with him so they put Stewart Young as minister and boot out Hinds?

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Postby Ryan197912 » September 23rd, 2021, 9:33 am

The_Honourable wrote:Ramesh done inform the Privy Council before the matter is even settled at the High Court... which also means he doesn't particularly care what happens at the Court of Appeal. For Ramesh to run with this (besides the money), he's very confident of a win at the Privy Council level. If he wins at the lower courts and the PSC doesn't appeal, better yet.

Failgerald Hinds might end up watching GG face to face at national security meetings soon.


Please read Section 123(4) of the Constitution of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago to see why the last paragraph of your comment will never occur.
Section 121(4) will also be instructive in a broader sense to understand administrative functions in Trinidad and Tobago.

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Postby The_Honourable » September 23rd, 2021, 9:52 am

Ryan197912 wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:Ramesh done inform the Privy Council before the matter is even settled at the High Court... which also means he doesn't particularly care what happens at the Court of Appeal. For Ramesh to run with this (besides the money), he's very confident of a win at the Privy Council level. If he wins at the lower courts and the PSC doesn't appeal, better yet.

Failgerald Hinds might end up watching GG face to face at national security meetings soon.


Please read Section 123(4) of the Constitution of the Republic of Trinidad and Tobago to see why the last paragraph of your comment will never occur.
Section 121(4) will also be instructive in a broader sense to understand administrative functions in Trinidad and Tobago.


I meant that there is a high chance that he would return as Acting COP. He cannot be confirmed as the COP at this point since the selection process is incomplete and quite frankly, in shambles right now.

The question is if the list actually made it to the President. If not, can the current Chairman of the Police Service Commission still deliver it to the President.

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Postby toyolink » September 23rd, 2021, 10:15 am

If the Gov't doesn't want Mr Griffith in the office of COP does it make sense for him to fight for reinstatement or just look for a proper settlement and a clean 'bill of professional health'.
To be appointed COP and the Gov't not providing proper support can mean operating with 'hands tied'.
The whole debacle must be causing good minded officers serious motivational issues.
When your ultimate boss is the state which is not known for the best management style and or adherence to proper checks and controls, ones ability to perform can be destroyed.

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Postby Cantmis » September 23rd, 2021, 10:47 am

Hinds into the model type, gg not his type.

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Postby pugboy » September 23rd, 2021, 10:59 am

not if you know and see blatant bobol happening before your eyes

toyolink wrote:If the Gov't doesn't want Mr Griffith in the office of COP does it make sense for him to fight for reinstatement or just look for a proper settlement and a clean 'bill of professional health'.
To be appointed COP and the Gov't not providing proper support can mean operating with 'hands tied'.
The whole debacle must be causing good minded officers serious motivational issues.
When your ultimate boss is the state which is not known for the best management style and or adherence to proper checks and controls, ones ability to perform can be destroyed.

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Postby The_Honourable » September 23rd, 2021, 8:24 pm

Behind-the-scenes negotiations between lawyers for Gary and PSC

INFORMATION reaching Newsday on Thursday was that attorneys for former police commissioner Gary Griffith and the Police Service Commission (PSC) were meeting to try and hammer out a possible settlement and end the ongoing controversy which has seen one PSC member resign and calls for all of the PSC members to quit.

The deal could see Griffith return to the post as acting police commissioner for a brief period before agreeing to step aside until the end of October.

Sources said Griffith is likely to withdraw his legal challenge against his suspension once the terms of the settlement are finalised.

He was expected to make a statement on Thursday, but up to 7 pm, Newsday was told there was still some wrangling between the lawyers on a specific issue.

On Monday, Griffith filed a judicial review application challenging the PSC’s decision to suspend him on the basis of an investigation it initiated on September 1, headed by retired Justice of Appeal Stanley John, into allegations of corruption in the issuance of firearm user’s licences; and the police handling of an incident at sea involving Christian Chandler, the head of the legal unit in the police service.

Griffith maintains the PSC's decision to suspend him on September 17, with immediate effect and until further notice, on the sole basis of the Stanley John investigation, is null, void and of no legal effect.

On Monday he filed for judicial review of the suspension and the case came up for hearing on Tuesday before Justice Ricky Rahim who adjourned it to Monday, to give the PSC’s attorneys an opportunity to get instructions and file the necessary responses, if required.

However, on Thursday, the case was reassigned to Justice Nadia Kangaloo who is also hearing a separate challenge to Griffith’s appointment.

That legal challenge, by social activist Ravi Balgobin-Maharaj also came up for hearing on Tuesday, but did not get off the ground as Justice Kangaloo adjourned it to October 1, to give the PSC and Griffith an opportunity to respond to the interpretation claim.

Balgobin-Maharaj is questioning the acting appointment when Griffith’s three-year contract as top cop came to an end on August 17.

Kangaloo is also hearing a challenge to the appointment of a new commissioner brought by Acting Snr Supt Anand Ramesar over the PSC’s handling of the police commissioner recruitment process.

Source: https://newsday.co.tt/2021/09/23/behind ... y-and-psc/

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Postby pugboy » September 23rd, 2021, 8:43 pm

a padna called a popular central gun dealer known for towing vehicles

asked the lady if they had any ful forms avail to get to fill out

the answer was “we don’t have forms”
he then asked if they ever used to have the forms so they could carry in for applicants
woman start to stammer and say well no we don’t do that
i almost dead when i hear that convo

somebody should call and ask about their pending application that they carried in and paid for
should get some more stammering

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Postby MaxPower » September 24th, 2021, 9:11 am

pugboy wrote:a padna called a popular central gun dealer known for towing vehicles

asked the lady if they had any ful forms avail to get to fill out

the answer was “we don’t have forms”
he then asked if they ever used to have the forms so they could carry in for applicants
woman start to stammer and say well no we don’t do that
i almost dead when i hear that convo

somebody should call and ask about their pending application that they carried in and paid for
should get some more stammering


Rel processing fees going to be non-refundable or will be on hold for a while.

Lmao

But if GG returns as COP he might be a lil hesitant to sign off that easily especially if he was in the racket.

And honestly i don’t think he genuinely signing off thousands of applications with the goodness of his heart for dealers to make immense profit only for themselves.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 24th, 2021, 12:08 pm

Settlement reached on Griffith, PSC matter

The legal dispute between suspended acting Police Commissioner Gary Griffith and the Police Service Commission (PSC) took an unexpected turn yesterday afternoon, with the parties reportedly coming to a settlement.

Guardian Media was reliably informed that the legal teams for both parties were locked in negotiations over the finer details of the agreement up to late yesterday.

However, legal sources said that as part of the settlement, the suspension against Griffith, issued by the commission last Friday, will be lifted and Griffith will withdraw his ongoing lawsuit over the decision.

Despite this, legal sources said that Griffith’s return to the post will be short-lived, as he has agreed to resign in order to correct a legal error committed by the commission when it granted him the acting appointment after his three-year stint in the post ended in mid-August.

The commission will then possibly use the correct process under the Constitution to put forward Griffith to be reappointed as acting police commissioner, which includes the requirement of parliamentary approval.

Guardian Media understands that that procedure may render social activist Ravi Balgobin Maharaj’s interpretation lawsuit, over the wrong process being used by the PSC to grant Griffith the acting appointment in the first place, academic.

The development reportedly came hours after High Court Judges Nadia Kangaloo and Ricky Rahim agreed that one judge (Kangaloo) should hear both cases over the issue.

Even if the settlement is ratified and Parliament eventually approves Griffith being granted the acting appointment, the commission is still barred from completing the recruitment process for the substantive post by an injunction obtained by Senior Superintendent Anand Ramesar, who is challenging the PSC’s decision to not progress him to the interview stage of the process.

Ramesar’s injunction stays in place until October 24, when High Court Judge Joan Charles will decide whether to lift it or extend it pending her determination of the case.

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Postby pugboy » September 24th, 2021, 12:57 pm

like he doing that to sweep the fee processors under the carpet

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Postby hover11 » September 24th, 2021, 5:00 pm

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This is gonna be interesting

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Postby rollingstock » September 25th, 2021, 4:32 pm

What media briefing? GG can't call any ttps media briefing. He's not the cop

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Postby sam1978 » September 25th, 2021, 4:55 pm

rollingstock wrote:What media briefing? GG can't call any ttps media briefing. He's not the cop

The PSC wrote jacobs and told him to allow GG to do the briefing and afford him the courtesies , also to be present. News sauce has the letter up. He wasn’t legally appointed so he’s not , but it’s some sort of deal for his wrongful removal. Probably to let him go out as Commish to enhance his pension package. Something, but how could someone be wrongfully removed who was not rightfully appointed?

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Postby hover11 » September 25th, 2021, 5:18 pm

So we have not one but two COP and crime still high lol this country blessed yes

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Postby hover11 » September 25th, 2021, 6:12 pm

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For a man who once said he dont need this job he spending every waking moment fighting for it

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Postby Gladiator » September 25th, 2021, 6:47 pm

hover11 wrote:
K74T wrote:
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For a man who once said he dont need this job he spending every waking moment fighting for it
Do you remember every morning he and his wife was on Hema Ramkissoon show begging for this wok.

If I was Commissioner, if I was minister of National Security...Yadda Yadda...at least twice for the week.

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Postby pugboy » September 25th, 2021, 6:53 pm

she was on cloud 9 after he get the wuk

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hover11 wrote:
K74T wrote:FB_IMG_1632607335593.jpg
For a man who once said he dont need this job he spending every waking moment fighting for it
Do you remember every morning he and his wife was on Hema Ramkissoon show begging for this wok.

If I was Commissioner, if I was minister of National Security...Yadda Yadda...at least twice for the week.

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Postby The_Honourable » September 25th, 2021, 7:54 pm

PSC Chairman, Bliss Seepersad admits to error and rescinds letter instructing Griffith to go on leave.

On Thursday 22nd, 2021, Griffith received correspondence from the PSC rescinding instructions in a previous email, for him to remain on leave.

Having recognized that their earlier letter violated all conventions of proper protocol, and the concept of natural justice, they moved to quickly undo the injustice perpetrated against him, when he was effectively sent on suspension of duty, which could only have occured if he is the subject of any investigation.

Retired Justice Stanley John, who was recruited to conduct an investigation into corruption in the issuance of firearms licenses, shared by letter to Griffith on September 18th 2021, that not only was Griffith not the subject of any investigation, but he also noted Griffith's efforts to help John with access to documents of interest to his investigation, and that Griffith had no action which interfered in any way with the investigation. This means the PSC had absolutely no grounds to suspend Griffith.
Even more alarmimg is that reports in the media is that one of the Commissioners on the PSC was told by the three others, that they can't suspend Griffith If he's not under investigation, and if he was, they needed to bring it to his attention for him to respond.

Instead, the lone Commissioner, engaged in a high-handed approach, and acted unilaterally by sending Griffith an email on September 17th, 2021, advising him to remain on leave.

Also in the public domain is that once the 3 other members of the PSC became aware of all the details surrounding Griffith's suspension, they expressed their desire for the PSC to rescind the suspension. A call that was once again rejected by the lone Commissioner.

This apparently gave Griffith no choice and he took legal action, which only then saw the letter which rescinded his suspension.
One thing seems clear as well, had Griffith pursued legal action, sensitive documents and the minutes of meetings of the PSC would be exposed, which may have caused further embarrassment to the PSC.

Additionally of note is the idea of wanting to suspend Griffith for being able to interfere in the FUL investigation, when there are no such calls for the 4 other candidates for Commissioner of Police to be also suspended, and even more alarming is that some of those candidates have easier access to the two investigations being conducted by John. An access which Griffith never had.

Hopefully this puts to rest the debate on whether Griffith is a civilian or Acting CoP., because having been appointed Acting Commissioner by letter dated August 17, 2021 from the PSC, and by virtue of his suspension letter being rescinded on Thursday 22nd of August 2021, he remains the Acting Commissioner of Police.

It's a good move for Griffith to take voluntary leave, while Stanley John continues to compile his report. Hopefully he will do so until John delivers his report to the PSC, to avoid accusations of any interference or influence in any way whatsoever. Perhaps the other candidates for CoP should do the same.

We should also take note that Griffith was first to alert the public about allegations of corruption in the FUL process, and that under his watch, this is the first time in the history of the TTPS that officers are being arrested and charged for extortion in the issuance of firearms.

He also put in place over 14 systems to make it more difficult for officers to blackmail the public for firearms licenses, especially at stations, which is probably why certain officers are upset with him affecting their trade. Which is why It seems that they are now using their network, which includes contacts in the media, to push false information and baseless claims, in an effort to impune his character, and to get rid of him.

In the end Griffith stands head and shoulders above all others, and while some have trained their guns on him, the public realizes the truth, which is that others are to blame for the crisis surrounding the PSC and the appointment of a Commissioner of Police of Trinidad and Tobago.

Endorsed by Gary Griffith.

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Postby widdyphuck » September 25th, 2021, 8:02 pm

Gary gone through.
Jacob lock him out of police headquarters and PSC members resigning every day..

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Postby hover11 » September 25th, 2021, 8:05 pm

wtf wrote:Gary gone through.
Jacob lock him out of police headquarters and PSC members resigning every day..
Some say his ego may never recover from this deadly blow

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Postby widdyphuck » September 25th, 2021, 8:08 pm

hover11 wrote:
wtf wrote:Gary gone through.
Jacob lock him out of police headquarters and PSC members resigning every day..
Some say his ego may never recover from this deadly blow
He still claims he is the acting commissioner.
That's wrong.
I done delete 482-GARY and change the number to 48-JACOB

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Postby sam1978 » September 25th, 2021, 8:36 pm

He put 14 systems in place but racket got worse? Or he put systems in place to ensure……….

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Postby MaxPower » September 25th, 2021, 9:52 pm

sam1978 wrote:He put 14 systems in place but racket got worse? Or he put systems in place to ensure……….


Lol yunno.

14 systems but processing fees like crazy.

More like 14 systems for the benefit of firearm dealers.

14 systems that exposing the small fries that trying to get a piece of the pie.

14 systems my ass

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Postby MaxPower » September 25th, 2021, 9:55 pm

wtf wrote:Gary gone through.
Jacob lock him out of police headquarters and PSC members resigning every day..


Is this really it for GG?

How likely is he to be reappointed?

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Postby hover11 » September 25th, 2021, 10:01 pm

MaxPower wrote:
wtf wrote:Gary gone through.
Jacob lock him out of police headquarters and PSC members resigning every day..


Is this really it for GG?

How likely is he to be reappointed?
Gary was a red government slave, chewed, eaten and spat out when he was no longer of any use

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MaxPower wrote:
wtf wrote:Gary gone through.
Jacob lock him out of police headquarters and PSC members resigning every day..


Is this really it for GG?

How likely is he to be reappointed?


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Gary is back into the loving arms of the unc.

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