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drchaos wrote:MaxPower wrote:drchaos wrote:MaxPower wrote:paid_influencer wrote:CMO needs to sit down and redraw all the Public Health Guidelines from scratch. because they ent working
They aren’t working because Trinis are NOT adhering.
What we need to do is enforce it.
Even people who adhereing and got vaccinated getting infected ...
So your solution is to double down on solutions that haven't worked since the pandemic started?
dr,
Explain to me HOW you can get Covid if your mouth and nose is protected?
How can you get Covid if you wash your hands?
How can you get Covid if you stay away and stay home?
Who ever you think is “adhering” are clearly not doing it properly. How do you know for SURE that they were? You don’t bro. Somewhere along the line they let their guard down.
Protected by what? An N95 with stop viral spread and how many people are using those?
Covid is not spread by surface contact ... Nature Journal and the WHO spoke about this aleady. Why are you denying the Science?
You can get covid if you stay at home because quite alot of house holds have essential workers who are still going out and interacting with people with pieces of cloth that have pore sizes larger than respiratory droplets.
Interacting with people is the bed rock of our society, people care for loved ones in different households, People work and interact with other people.
Its common sense man ... why you doubling down on the dotishness?
You cannot halt the spread of a virus you can slow it down only for it to rebound once you are forced to remove unsustainable measures which cause more harm than good.
Everyone needs to get infected ... the faster this happens the faster it becomes endemic and then it becomes nothing more than a common cold.
paid_influencer wrote:adnj wrote:paid_influencer wrote:Phone Surgeon wrote:Ummm....but vaccines never stopped you from getting covid
they did though. The Pfizer clinical trials had PCR-detected infection has an end-point. The vaccine had 95% efficacy against any infection by the ancestral strain. Many (most) of the Public Health decisions were made on the basis of that scientific evidence.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
That's not the case any more though. The variants and waning effectiveness have been chopping away at it but the whole tree just fell down this week.
No. They didn't.
"95% efficacy against any infection"? That was from the Pfizer clinical trials where 5% of the trial participants became infected.
the 95% number comes from the primary end-point of the clinical trails. The link I posted there is the actual study published in a peer-reviewed medical journal.
back in early 2021 the vaccines really did make you immune to COVID19. Public policy hasn't caught up to the fact that this is no longer the case.
Israel is the one country that chooses to deal with things as they are and not play games. They were the first to use their financial and political pull to get vaccines for all their population. They were the first to give their population boosters. They were the first to declare two-dose-only recipients as not fully vaccinated. And now they are the first to close borders to South Africa, and now they've closed borders completely, again, because they understand the threat and aren't saying "who dead, dead."
China might be the only other country really gripping this thing by the horns, but it harder to get news from there.
drchaos wrote:Protected by what? An N95 with stop viral spread and how many people are using those?
Why are you denying the Science?
adnj wrote:No. They did not. Efficacy from the clinical trials was about 95% for mRNA vaccines and lower for every other type. YOU posted a randomized study that concluded that real world effectiveness was 95%.
YOU may choose to believe that there was a paradigm shift in perception but NOWHERE was there a published efficacy study that provided 100% for ANY vaccine. Did the public understand what was presented? Apparently not all of the public.
AND you are conflating waning immunity with some new breed of bullshhit. Efficacy studies gathered data for six months.
Phizer even pointed out the likely need for annual booster nearly 8 months ago.
Nothing has changed. The information is readily available and has been for some time. Some people just haven't caught up.
There isn't space for everyone who needs an icu bed or to be in a covid ward.Dizzy28 wrote:My father in law lives opposite a step down facility. This week hearses came three times to pick up bodies.
Clearly unwell ppl being sent to step downs.
Dizzy28 wrote:Shipment of sinopharm come in today. Who really still want it though?
timelapse wrote:All of the above plus the biggest reason.People don't want to be told what to do.They hate following instructions from anybody, unless is "put yuh hand in de air"MaxPower wrote:wtf wrote:What about through your moist eyes or while having sex at work?
Covid isn’t a sexually transmitted disease bro.
And getting infected through the eyes is unlikely.
A debatable topic of course, but in the mean time ok fine, wear a condom and a face shield.
I cannot understand how people are saying the health guidelines are not working if they do not follow them correctly and consistently.
But i tell you one thing, put me in a room with Covid and once i protect myself i will not be getting infected. It takes a very big effort to put things in place to avoid the virus. Many people are too lazy, simply do not care or are just unaware.
Wait but I thought trinis take the vaccines cuz they care about othersdaring dragoon wrote:timelapse wrote:All of the above plus the biggest reason.People don't want to be told what to do.They hate following instructions from anybody, unless is "put yuh hand in de air"MaxPower wrote:wtf wrote:What about through your moist eyes or while having sex at work?
Covid isn’t a sexually transmitted disease bro.
And getting infected through the eyes is unlikely.
A debatable topic of course, but in the mean time ok fine, wear a condom and a face shield.
I cannot understand how people are saying the health guidelines are not working if they do not follow them correctly and consistently.
But i tell you one thing, put me in a room with Covid and once i protect myself i will not be getting infected. It takes a very big effort to put things in place to avoid the virus. Many people are too lazy, simply do not care or are just unaware.
People have no respect for others around them. You see it in the way they drive where they speeding, cutting in an out an no indicators when changing lanes as is them alone important. Its the same with covid. They see you there an still passing close by. Not wearing mask an talking. Saw a fool pull down his mask an sneeze in the open without covering mouth an people close by actually run. People no longer studying social distancing, feel them dont need to wash hands or sanitize. Sometimes is just good to hit them some good right hand.
Hear how dunce you sound yet AGAIN.....where can the unvaccinated go period.....we go to work, grocery , pharmacy and other essentials. How a lockdown for the unvaxxed making a difference we will still have to go to work, or you don't want unvaccinated to work I rel cool with that half the public service, police service , health workers home with PAY say lessst7 wrote:them unvaxxed have no lives? it's saturday and living on tuner.
oh right, cant get into anywhere just so.
lockdown and SOE for the unvaxxed mi say -- only flicking up the place with they unvaxxed self
You are arguing that the clinical trials OBSERVED EFFECTIVENESS was 95% during a clinical trial. That trial extrapolates a 95% efficacy.paid_influencer wrote:gonna do this because I can't sleep...adnj wrote:No. They did not. Efficacy from the clinical trials was about 95% for mRNA vaccines and lower for every other type. YOU posted a randomized study that concluded that real world effectiveness was 95%.
nope. The NEJM link is to the actual publishing of results from the Phase 3 clinical trails. The word "efficacy" in the title should have told you that. Efficacy refers to data only from a clinical trial.
summary:
Efficacy - clinical trial data
Effectiveness - real world dataYOU may choose to believe that there was a paradigm shift in perception but NOWHERE was there a published efficacy study that provided 100% for ANY vaccine. Did the public understand what was presented? Apparently not all of the public.
My point is that the initial relaxation of public health measures in the US was based on the fantastic results of the clinical trials showing 95% efficacy against infection. That data is no longer current and the public health policies that arose from it, by extension, also need to be revised. The data and science is ahead of the public health guidelines in all but a few countries - Israel being the one of the few exceptions. We should follow Israel.AND you are conflating waning immunity with some new breed of bullshhit. Efficacy studies gathered data for six months.
lmao, no efficacy studies did not gather data for six months. The Pfizer clinical trials followed patients until day 112 from the first dose. If you have a link in a published peer-reviewed medical journal showing a 6-month clinical trial for a COVID19 vaccine, hit me up.Phizer even pointed out the likely need for annual booster nearly 8 months ago.
Annual boosters? We looking at 3 boosters every year bro. You ain't keeping up with the science. Look at Israel's data again. They were the first country to aggressively vaccinate and they are actually following up on it to see how it performs. Their data was used to approve the current booster program by the FDA in the US.Nothing has changed. The information is readily available and has been for some time. Some people just haven't caught up.
lmao. Everything has changed. You are the one who hasn't caught up.
now I'm going to sleep. Good night.
There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6). Similar vaccine efficacy (generally 90 to 100%) was observed across subgroups defined by age, sex, race, ethnicity, baseline body-mass index, and the presence of coexisting conditions.
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Phone Surgeon wrote:People does deteriorate real quick too.
One minute you start to cough and start to feel drawn down
Half hour later you can't breath and you dead.
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:I can say for a fact that I personally knew 3 out of the 21 people that died Friday. Ages 31, 24 and 27 all fully vaxxed with Sinopharm. Take what ever you want from that.
As per the situation in Grande hospital: new ICU ward created outside under a tent as the one at the back filled. Our area up there on the map wrt to positive persons.
Concerning medical staff in general: they are being stretched thin (those lil protests you seeing here and there have A LOT of meaning to it). If you're a nurse in a covid ward(hats off to you). Deplorable is an understatement!
It will continue Government don't want to act so guess we just have to accept itDohplaydat wrote:shake d livin wake d dead wrote:I can say for a fact that I personally knew 3 out of the 21 people that died Friday. Ages 31, 24 and 27 all fully vaxxed with Sinopharm. Take what ever you want from that.
As per the situation in Grande hospital: new ICU ward created outside under a tent as the one at the back filled. Our area up there on the map wrt to positive persons.
Concerning medical staff in general: they are being stretched thin (those lil protests you seeing here and there have A LOT of meaning to it). If you're a nurse in a covid ward(hats off to you). Deplorable is an understatement!
I've got a cousin at Grande Hospital and this is what I've been hearing too (she didn't mention those young persons who died, that is concerning). She said for most of this week the hospital can't accept normal patients as Covid is occupying 3/4 of the facilities and staff. Sucks big time, a doc there told her they are turning away patients (non Covid) daily who later die shortly after. It's a horrible situation and getting worse daily.
shake d livin wake d dead wrote:I can say for a fact that I personally knew 3 out of the 21 people that died Friday. Ages 31, 24 and 27 all fully vaxxed with Sinopharm. Take what ever you want from that.
As per the situation in Grande hospital: new ICU ward created outside under a tent as the one at the back filled. Our area up there on the map wrt to positive persons.
Concerning medical staff in general: they are being stretched thin (those lil protests you seeing here and there have A LOT of meaning to it). If you're a nurse in a covid ward(hats off to you). Deplorable is an understatement!
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