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wtf wrote:They didn't get a pass though.redmanjp wrote:employers to blame too. thousands of applications for 300000 people! so much ppl does be out and about normally in d night?
Dohplaydat wrote:Habit7,
I did say we were too harsh, but that was explicitly referring to the borders which do NOT need to be closed. I was adamantly recommending just leaving it open but with a 14-day state quarantine.
Do you want to know what we were doing well? Doing the basics, the original strain was far easier to control.
The original strain is relatively easy to control in tropical climates.
My criticism with this government's management is that an open but controlled border would have never let the P1 strain enter. It was a lapse and pure incompetence that we didn't recognize that the P1 would eventually enter our country via illegal immigrants.
Secondly, we had a year headstart, why didn't we add increasing ICU/HDU I'm shocked how under prepared we are for this outbreak.
Thirdly, motherf*cking vaccines, we are still lagging a lot and Trinidad HAD the money to pursue this far more aggressively,. But again, the government say on their ass and wasted valuable time.
ron_28 wrote:Additional info from today's update
Habit7 wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Habit7,
I did say we were too harsh, but that was explicitly referring to the borders which do NOT need to be closed. I was adamantly recommending just leaving it open but with a 14-day state quarantine.
Do you want to know what we were doing well? Doing the basics, the original strain was far easier to control.
The original strain is relatively easy to control in tropical climates.
My criticism with this government's management is that an open but controlled border would have never let the P1 strain enter. It was a lapse and pure incompetence that we didn't recognize that the P1 would eventually enter our country via illegal immigrants.
Secondly, we had a year headstart, why didn't we add increasing ICU/HDU I'm shocked how under prepared we are for this outbreak.
Thirdly, motherf*cking vaccines, we are still lagging a lot and Trinidad HAD the money to pursue this far more aggressively,. But again, the government say on their ass and wasted valuable time.
If the original strain easy to control in tropical climates, please tell that to (medical powerhouse) Cuba, Barbados, Jamaica, DR, Belize, Northern Brazil and India because that sunlight thing didn't work out for them too.
Our border will be are porous as the Mediterranean Coast of Europe or the US Southern border or worse. Anybody promising they could completely shut down the border and provide some dome effect is selling dreams.
It takes 9yrs to create an anesthesiologist, you main doctors in an ICU/HDU. The physical bed is not the issue, it is the limited staff that had every hard it country scrambling. I don't know what a 1 yr headstart can do to change that.
Money to buy is not the issue with vaccines. The countries that had billions to fund the multiple pharma companies research to produce the vaccines are the ones who are at the front of the line. Vaccination levels in Caricom are dependant on who India gave more, having a smaller population and using unapproved vaccines.
It is easy for everybody to be an armchair public health expert. Shoulda, coulda, woulda went out the window long time. When you were saying open the borders, even with a 14 day quarantine that either the taxpayer would have to subsidise to tune of billions or home quarantine which ppl would not have obeyed, we would have been in this same monkey pants if not earlier. So stick to your projections and leave the real epidemiology work for the epidemiologists.
Habit7 wrote:Why are you quoting voices in your head?
If the over 200K Trinis return and receive 14 day state quarantine which costs $5K...you know what I just stupid, excuse me while I sit in the corner with reason and logic.
Dohplaydat wrote:Habit7 wrote:Why are you quoting voices in your head?
If the over 200K Trinis return and receive 14 day state quarantine which costs $5K...you know what I just stupid, excuse me while I sit in the corner with reason and logic.
And why would you think 200k trinis would return? That is just absurd. Wasn't the request list 8000 last time Stuart went public?
Closed borders might not affect you, but it has been such an unnecessary slight to MAJOR inconvenience for many.
I am not going to get into all the reasons persons need to travel other than a vacation but is affecting people's lives. My friend was diagnosed with cancer and needs to do a certain type of PET scan that's unavailable here. She is one of the thousands who needed medical treatment.
One of my other friends left in Jan/Feb for Canada for surgery, hoping she'd get an exemption to return by now. Still no luck, and she is a 1%.
Yet the entire Caribbean has had open borders and only us experiencing such a massive outbreak. How does that logically make any sense.
What was the point of closing borders then?
elec2020 wrote:we in a pandemic. Just isolate and be careful. You will come out ok. Stop checking people outside of your immediate surroundings. If you can, demand to your employer that you will only do wfh (call your union if u need to make this happen). You should only be leaving home for emergencies and groceries. Keep it up for the next 3/4 months (the spread may die down by then) and u should be ok.
redmanjp wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Habit7 wrote:Why are you quoting voices in your head?
If the over 200K Trinis return and receive 14 day state quarantine which costs $5K...you know what I just stupid, excuse me while I sit in the corner with reason and logic.
And why would you think 200k trinis would return? That is just absurd. Wasn't the request list 8000 last time Stuart went public?
Closed borders might not affect you, but it has been such an unnecessary slight to MAJOR inconvenience for many.
I am not going to get into all the reasons persons need to travel other than a vacation but is affecting people's lives. My friend was diagnosed with cancer and needs to do a certain type of PET scan that's unavailable here. She is one of the thousands who needed medical treatment.
One of my other friends left in Jan/Feb for Canada for surgery, hoping she'd get an exemption to return by now. Still no luck, and she is a 1%.
Yet the entire Caribbean has had open borders and only us experiencing such a massive outbreak. How does that logically make any sense.
What was the point of closing borders then?
out problem is we have the front door closed but the back door open. the solution is not to open BOTH. but to close BOTH.
DMan7 wrote:Any word on the Sinopharm vaccines that are supposed to be arriving today?
Dohplaydat wrote:redmanjp wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:Habit7 wrote:Why are you quoting voices in your head?
If the over 200K Trinis return and receive 14 day state quarantine which costs $5K...you know what I just stupid, excuse me while I sit in the corner with reason and logic.
And why would you think 200k trinis would return? That is just absurd. Wasn't the request list 8000 last time Stuart went public?
Closed borders might not affect you, but it has been such an unnecessary slight to MAJOR inconvenience for many.
I am not going to get into all the reasons persons need to travel other than a vacation but is affecting people's lives. My friend was diagnosed with cancer and needs to do a certain type of PET scan that's unavailable here. She is one of the thousands who needed medical treatment.
One of my other friends left in Jan/Feb for Canada for surgery, hoping she'd get an exemption to return by now. Still no luck, and she is a 1%.
Yet the entire Caribbean has had open borders and only us experiencing such a massive outbreak. How does that logically make any sense.
What was the point of closing borders then?
out problem is we have the front door closed but the back door open. the solution is not to open BOTH. but to close BOTH.
One door you have the ability to control and inspect properly.
Half the Caribbean have totally open borders, no quarantine when you reach. The other half have 3-8 days quarantine. All I suggesting was 14 days state quarantine.
Keep it open, but make it very very secure.
Also let me disabuse this notion of a 14 day quarantine is a magical solution. While it is the best recommendation, the virus can incubate well beyond that and one can become infectious.Don’t Assume A 14-Day Quarantine Is Enough To Prevent Covid-19 Spread
William A. Haseltine
Contributor
Health
One of the general assumptions we’ve formed about Covid-19 is that when someone is infected, they’re no longer contagious after two weeks—hence the recommended 14-day quarantine. But this isn’t necessarily the case.
Following the first appearance of symptoms, the vast majority of people are unlikely to be infectious for more than two weeks. For people who develop severe symptoms, that period extends to 21 days. Now, the Chinese government has determined that as many as five percent of Covid-19 cases have an incubation period longer than two weeks, and is taking action accordingly.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhas ... is-enough/
Habit7 wrote:Also let me disabuse this notion of a 14 day quarantine is a magical solution. While it is the best recommendation, the virus can incubate well beyond that and one can become infectious.Don’t Assume A 14-Day Quarantine Is Enough To Prevent Covid-19 Spread
William A. Haseltine
Contributor
Health
One of the general assumptions we’ve formed about Covid-19 is that when someone is infected, they’re no longer contagious after two weeks—hence the recommended 14-day quarantine. But this isn’t necessarily the case.
Following the first appearance of symptoms, the vast majority of people are unlikely to be infectious for more than two weeks. For people who develop severe symptoms, that period extends to 21 days. Now, the Chinese government has determined that as many as five percent of Covid-19 cases have an incubation period longer than two weeks, and is taking action accordingly.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhas ... is-enough/
Oxygen bro. That's all you need.The_Honourable wrote:Diverting a bit.
We can't depend on the healthcare system at the moment so we're pretty much on our own... more than likely home quarantine and face the brunt of this virus by ourselves.
What should we stock up on? I'm seeing recommendations such as hot teas, vitamin C, Decongestants, Paracetemol, etc.
The_Honourable wrote:Diverting a bit.
We can't depend on the healthcare system at the moment so we're pretty much on our own... more than likely home quarantine and face the brunt of this virus by ourselves.
What should we stock up on? I'm seeing recommendations such as hot teas, vitamin C, Decongestants, Paracetemol, etc.
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