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Re: Issues with reopening Schools in T&T , Vaccines for Children etc

Postby hover11 » August 25th, 2021, 7:57 pm

If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!

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Postby DMan7 » August 25th, 2021, 7:59 pm

hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.

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Postby hover11 » August 25th, 2021, 8:02 pm

You tethering on a fine line there, the state getting involved in the parents and their roles in families....if this is the case then all vaccines must be made mandatory not just this one and also some families against it for religious and cultural beliefs
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hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.

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Postby redmanjp » August 25th, 2021, 8:09 pm

hover11 wrote:You tethering on a fine line there, the state getting involved in the parents and their roles in families....if this is the case then all vaccines must be made mandatory not just this one and also some families against it for religious and cultural beliefs
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hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.


quite a few of them already are like MMR in order to enter primary school

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Re: Issues with reopening Schools in T&T , Vaccines for Children etc

Postby hover11 » August 25th, 2021, 8:14 pm

That's for primary school however this age group targets mostly secondary school children who do not require vaccinations to enter .....at least my school didn't and it was a college.One of the so called prestige schools.
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hover11 wrote:You tethering on a fine line there, the state getting involved in the parents and their roles in families....if this is the case then all vaccines must be made mandatory not just this one and also some families against it for religious and cultural beliefs
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hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.


quite a few of them already are like MMR in order to enter primary school

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Re: Issues with reopening Schools in T&T , Vaccines for Children etc

Postby matr1x » August 25th, 2021, 8:16 pm

Apparently ppl need to learn to read. Phizer is not approved for children younger than 16

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Postby hover11 » August 25th, 2021, 8:20 pm

So then l why are we giving it to 12 year old children
matr1x wrote:Apparently ppl need to learn to read. Phizer is not approved for children younger than 16

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Postby adnj » August 25th, 2021, 8:25 pm

matr1x wrote:Apparently ppl need to learn to read. Phizer is not approved for children younger than 16
COVID -19 Vaccination Arrangements for Citizens/Residents aged 12-18 Inclusive

https://www.moe.gov.tt/news-release-157 ... 2-2-2-2-2/

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Re: Issues with reopening Schools in T&T , Vaccines for Children etc

Postby adnj » August 25th, 2021, 8:29 pm

DMan7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.
Medical treatment? Yes. A vaccine? Probably not. You would need to prove imminent harm in order to prove child abuse or neglect. If it is the child's natural parent, the bar is even higher.

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Re: Issues with reopening Schools in T&T , Vaccines for Children etc

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » August 25th, 2021, 8:31 pm

hover11 wrote:So then l why are we giving it to 12 year old children
matr1x wrote:Apparently ppl need to learn to read. Phizer is not approved for children younger than 16
it's the same use that was there for 12 and up all along.
The only thing that has changed is the FDA finalised on their approval for 16 and up pending data on 12-15. Nothing other than FDA approval changed.

This is science and medicine. Not you just blurting out something because that's how you feel.
Same reason there is a warning on most drugs.
They have to state it even if there is a 0.00018% chance something bad may occur.
Data is data - it is unbiased and factual.

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Re: Issues with reopening Schools in T&T , Vaccines for Children etc

Postby DMan7 » August 25th, 2021, 8:38 pm

adnj wrote:
DMan7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.
Medical treatment? Yes. A vaccine? Probably not. You would need to prove imminent harm in order to prove child abuse or neglect. If it is the child's natural parent, the bar is even higher.


This isn't just taking a vaccine but a vaccine in a pandemic which carries greater weight than taking a vaccine during normal times. Someone important somewhere is already planning to use this child abuse angle I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

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Postby hover11 » August 25th, 2021, 8:48 pm

You would have to prove that the child was in imminent danger from not taking this vaccine, as far as we know, children mortality rate when it comes to covid is very low
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adnj wrote:
DMan7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.
Medical treatment? Yes. A vaccine? Probably not. You would need to prove imminent harm in order to prove child abuse or neglect. If it is the child's natural parent, the bar is even higher.


This isn't just taking a vaccine but a vaccine in a pandemic which carries greater weight than taking a vaccine during normal times. Someone important somewhere is already planning to use this child abuse angle I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

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Re: Issues with reopening Schools in T&T , Vaccines for Children etc

Postby DMan7 » August 25th, 2021, 8:50 pm

hover11 wrote:You would have to prove that the child was in imminent danger from not taking this vaccine, as far as we know, children mortality rate when it comes to covid is very low
DMan7 wrote:
adnj wrote:
DMan7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.
Medical treatment? Yes. A vaccine? Probably not. You would need to prove imminent harm in order to prove child abuse or neglect. If it is the child's natural parent, the bar is even higher.


This isn't just taking a vaccine but a vaccine in a pandemic which carries greater weight than taking a vaccine during normal times. Someone important somewhere is already planning to use this child abuse angle I'm sure it's only a matter of time.


It's a pandemic we're all in imminent danger...

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Re: Issues with reopening Schools in T&T , Vaccines for Children etc

Postby adnj » August 25th, 2021, 9:03 pm

hover11 wrote:You would have to prove that the child was in imminent danger from not taking this vaccine, as far as we know, children mortality rate when it comes to covid is very low
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adnj wrote:
DMan7 wrote:
hover11 wrote:If the parents against very little the children can do
DMan7 wrote:Let children convince their parents to let them get vaccinated. It could be a birthday present or Christmas gift. What a treat!


Couldn't a case be made for child abuse by not letting their children take a life saving vaccine in a pandemic? If they looking for loopholes to make vaccines mandatory for employees I'm pretty sure someone gonna come up with the child abuse angle here. Just wait for it.
Medical treatment? Yes. A vaccine? Probably not. You would need to prove imminent harm in order to prove child abuse or neglect. If it is the child's natural parent, the bar is even higher.


This isn't just taking a vaccine but a vaccine in a pandemic which carries greater weight than taking a vaccine during normal times. Someone important somewhere is already planning to use this child abuse angle I'm sure it's only a matter of time.


Neither of you are speaking of imminent harm. You simply cannot postulate that a communicable disease WILL harm you with 100% assurance. It simply MAY harm you.

What has happened before:

- The court takes the child as ward and orders administration of a vaccine.

- The child is in the shared care of another person or institution and a vaccination is administered without the dissenting parent's consent.

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Postby Ben_spanna » September 1st, 2021, 1:07 pm

i figure in about three weeks the government will either announce that school children be mandated to take the vaccine in order to attend school , or children who are unvaccinated will have to PAY a hefty tuition from now on for their condinuted education which will also serve as a partial health insurance for their benefit.

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Postby Gladiator » September 1st, 2021, 1:33 pm

Ben_spanna wrote:i figure in about three weeks the government will either announce that school children be mandated to take the vaccine in order to attend school , or children who are unvaccinated will have to PAY a hefty tuition from now on for their condinuted education which will also serve as a partial health insurance for their benefit.
That will increase infringe on the international rights of a child to education.

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Postby teems1 » September 1st, 2021, 3:23 pm

Gladiator wrote:
Ben_spanna wrote:i figure in about three weeks the government will either announce that school children be mandated to take the vaccine in order to attend school , or children who are unvaccinated will have to PAY a hefty tuition from now on for their condinuted education which will also serve as a partial health insurance for their benefit.
That will increase infringe on the international rights of a child to education.


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Postby adnj » September 9th, 2021, 5:38 am

L.A. is set to become the first major U.S. school district to require vaccinations for students.

Los Angeles is poised to become the first major school district in the United States to mandate coronavirus vaccines for students 12 and older who are attending class in person.

The district’s elected Board of Education will meet Thursday afternoon to vote on the measure, which is expected to pass with broad support. The Los Angeles Unified School District is the second largest in the nation, serving over 600,000 students, and the mandate could set an important national precedent.

Students would need their first vaccine dose by Nov. 21 and their second by Dec. 19 to begin the next semester fully inoculated. Those who turn 12 after those dates will have 30 days after their birthday to receive their first shot.

Students participating in in-person extracurricular activities will need both shots by the end of October. The resolution mentions “qualified and approved exemptions,” but does not offer details.

The district offers online independent study for those who opt out of in-person learning this year, but so far, only a tiny percentage of students have chosen it.

According to the Los Angeles County Department of Health, 58 percent of the district’s 12-to-18-year-olds have already received at least one vaccine dose.

“Our goal is to keep kids and teachers as safe as possible and in the classroom,” said Nick Melvoin, a Los Angeles school board member, in a written statement expressing support for the resolution. “A medical and scientific consensus has emerged that the best way to protect everyone in our schools and communities is for all those who are eligible to get vaccinated.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/09 ... ement-kids

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Postby De Dragon » September 9th, 2021, 6:37 am

adnj wrote:L.A. is set to become the first major U.S. school district to require vaccinations for students.

Los Angeles is poised to become the first major school district in the United States to mandate coronavirus vaccines for students 12 and older who are attending class in person.

The district’s elected Board of Education will meet Thursday afternoon to vote on the measure, which is expected to pass with broad support. The Los Angeles Unified School District is the second largest in the nation, serving over 600,000 students, and the mandate could set an important national precedent.

Students would need their first vaccine dose by Nov. 21 and their second by Dec. 19 to begin the next semester fully inoculated. Those who turn 12 after those dates will have 30 days after their birthday to receive their first shot.

Students participating in in-person extracurricular activities will need both shots by the end of October. The resolution mentions “qualified and approved exemptions,” but does not offer details.

The district offers online independent study for those who opt out of in-person learning this year, but so far, only a tiny percentage of students have chosen it.

According to the Los Angeles County Department of Health, 58 percent of the district’s 12-to-18-year-olds have already received at least one vaccine dose.

“Our goal is to keep kids and teachers as safe as possible and in the classroom,” said Nick Melvoin, a Los Angeles school board member, in a written statement expressing support for the resolution. “A medical and scientific consensus has emerged that the best way to protect everyone in our schools and communities is for all those who are eligible to get vaccinated.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/09 ... ement-kids

Well done LA. 8-)

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Postby MaxPower » September 9th, 2021, 9:41 am

De Dragon wrote:
adnj wrote:L.A. is set to become the first major U.S. school district to require vaccinations for students.

Los Angeles is poised to become the first major school district in the United States to mandate coronavirus vaccines for students 12 and older who are attending class in person.

The district’s elected Board of Education will meet Thursday afternoon to vote on the measure, which is expected to pass with broad support. The Los Angeles Unified School District is the second largest in the nation, serving over 600,000 students, and the mandate could set an important national precedent.

Students would need their first vaccine dose by Nov. 21 and their second by Dec. 19 to begin the next semester fully inoculated. Those who turn 12 after those dates will have 30 days after their birthday to receive their first shot.

Students participating in in-person extracurricular activities will need both shots by the end of October. The resolution mentions “qualified and approved exemptions,” but does not offer details.

The district offers online independent study for those who opt out of in-person learning this year, but so far, only a tiny percentage of students have chosen it.

According to the Los Angeles County Department of Health, 58 percent of the district’s 12-to-18-year-olds have already received at least one vaccine dose.

“Our goal is to keep kids and teachers as safe as possible and in the classroom,” said Nick Melvoin, a Los Angeles school board member, in a written statement expressing support for the resolution. “A medical and scientific consensus has emerged that the best way to protect everyone in our schools and communities is for all those who are eligible to get vaccinated.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/09 ... ement-kids

Well done LA. 8-)


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Postby Ben_spanna » September 9th, 2021, 11:45 am

CNN has quite good coverage with regards to masking mandates and schools.. its so sad that a majority of the issues with kids wqearing masks to school is political motivation.

So many kids getting sick because those nasty a55 republicans refusing to send their kids to school with masks.. but people s kids are now suffering because of these retarded idiots.

here we just have idiots who refuse to listen to the science and numbers and believe that they dont need a vaccine.. and that of their kids, they refuse to vaccinate but yet if schools reopen physically and its only available to vaccinated kids they are the most angry.... look around the world and vaccinate your fr1gg1ng kids or keep them home and STFU!

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Postby MaxPower » September 9th, 2021, 11:49 am

Ben_spanna wrote:CNN has quite good coverage with regards to masking mandates and schools.. its so sad that a majority of the issues with kids wqearing masks to school is political motivation.

So many kids getting sick because those nasty a55 republicans refusing to send their kids to school with masks.. but people s kids are now suffering because of these retarded idiots.

here we just have idiots who refuse to listen to the science and numbers and believe that they dont need a vaccine.. and that of their kids, they refuse to vaccinate but yet if schools reopen physically and its only available to vaccinated kids they are the most angry.... look around the world and vaccinate your fr1gg1ng kids or keep them home and STFU!


Ben,

All correct.

The unvaccinated are keeping back the country.

The only thing preventing us from literally holding them by their necks like a depot chicken and vaccinating them is their “right”.

Maybe we need some adjustments.

We are in dangerous and desperate times.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 9th, 2021, 10:23 pm

State of Los Angeles mandates vaccines for students

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Postby Ben_spanna » September 13th, 2021, 12:56 pm

I know in the US this entire VAccinated/Unvaxxed is almost entirely Politically motivated , but what is the real problem here? educated vs ignorant ??? , Science vs Creation? or are people that small minded that false videos and scandals have convinced them that the virus is a hoax?

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Postby De Dragon » September 14th, 2021, 6:08 pm

Ben_spanna wrote:I know in the US this entire VAccinated/Unvaxxed is almost entirely Politically motivated , but what is the real problem here? educated vs ignorant ??? , Science vs Creation? or are people that small minded that false videos and scandals have convinced them that the virus is a hoax?

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How many of us heard about these anti vaxxers before on any other threads? :lol:

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Postby redmanjp » September 21st, 2021, 10:38 am

i wonder if the spread of delta would affect that reopening

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Postby hover11 » September 21st, 2021, 10:47 am

Well remember teachers are allowed to be unvaccinated, which in my opinion defeats the purpose
redmanjp wrote:i wonder if the spread of delta would affect that reopening

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MoE real reckless

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Postby hover11 » September 21st, 2021, 11:02 am

Expect to see school closures for breakthrough cases

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