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hover11 wrote:Rowley: Hefty salary increases will plunge country into debt
"Do you see that money in the Treasury at this time? Do you see the Minister of Finance being able to find that money so that you with jobs can get paid? Well, it might happen,” he told the crowd.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/rowley- ... 3ed321ffaf
Ironic, that he asked if we see the money in the treasury at this time because as far as I remember NO government has showed or declared how much money was in the treasury but they always bawling it ain have , so I just supposed to take your word because politicians are always honest . This is animal farm in live action, it good for them but not good for the rest but we allow it.So Government Ministers hefty salaries and perks, not draining the country?
hover11 wrote:Max,
Point fortin can see change without the PNM
Careful the banned alpha male's parrot come to sqawk and call you a cont and a red government idiot and take bull and unc not important and on and on. Lots of free thinkers in here.Dizzy28 wrote:hover11 wrote:Rowley: Hefty salary increases will plunge country into debt
"Do you see that money in the Treasury at this time? Do you see the Minister of Finance being able to find that money so that you with jobs can get paid? Well, it might happen,” he told the crowd.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/rowley- ... 3ed321ffaf
Ironic, that he asked if we see the money in the treasury at this time because as far as I remember NO government has showed or declared how much money was in the treasury but they always bawling it ain have , so I just supposed to take your word because politicians are always honest . This is animal farm in live action, it good for them but not good for the rest but we allow it.So Government Ministers hefty salaries and perks, not draining the country?
All of the country's financial information can be found on the Central Bank's website under its data centre portal
https://www.central-bank.org.tt/statistics/data-centre
Don't expect to be spoon fed every piece of information you need.
And now is not the time to get vex at Politicians salaries and perks - to do so now is just hypocritical given that its only so because of the pittance of an increment offered. Outrage should have been done when the Salary Review Commission review happened and when the car tax revelations came out. Pressure should have been placed then on all elected and appointed leaders. However what I saw was minor discontent but lots of red and yellow supporters justifying why their leaders need the pay they have. Same way mites supporting Foster now when potentially he is a corrupt PoS you can't be vex later on if it turns out he is secretly a billionaire.
Well said I see no justification that parliamentarians were earning $32000 in 2012 and a decade later $72000. What performance did they show to earn such but hey probably in 2025 it will increase again to 100k a month and men go beat they chest to say great is the PNM while they still on 2013 salary.Dizzy28 wrote:hover11 wrote:Rowley: Hefty salary increases will plunge country into debt
"Do you see that money in the Treasury at this time? Do you see the Minister of Finance being able to find that money so that you with jobs can get paid? Well, it might happen,” he told the crowd.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/rowley- ... 3ed321ffaf
Ironic, that he asked if we see the money in the treasury at this time because as far as I remember NO government has showed or declared how much money was in the treasury but they always bawling it ain have , so I just supposed to take your word because politicians are always honest . This is animal farm in live action, it good for them but not good for the rest but we allow it.So Government Ministers hefty salaries and perks, not draining the country?
All of the country's financial information can be found on the Central Bank's website under its data centre portal
https://www.central-bank.org.tt/statistics/data-centre
Don't expect to be spoon fed every piece of information you need.
And now is not the time to get vex at Politicians salaries and perks - to do so now is just hypocritical given that its only so because of the pittance of an increment offered. Outrage should have been done when the Salary Review Commission review happened and when the car tax revelations came out. Pressure should have been placed then on all elected and appointed leaders. However what I saw was minor discontent but lots of red and yellow supporters justifying why their leaders need the pay they have. Same way mites supporting Foster now when potentially he is a corrupt PoS you can't be vex later on if it turns out he is secretly a billionaire.
hover11 wrote:Well said I see no justification that parliamentarians were earning $32000 in 2012 and a decade later $72000. What performance did they show to earn such but hey probably in 2025 it will increase again to 100k a month and men go beat they chest to say great is the PNM while they still on 2013 salary.Dizzy28 wrote:hover11 wrote:Rowley: Hefty salary increases will plunge country into debt
"Do you see that money in the Treasury at this time? Do you see the Minister of Finance being able to find that money so that you with jobs can get paid? Well, it might happen,” he told the crowd.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/rowley- ... 3ed321ffaf
Ironic, that he asked if we see the money in the treasury at this time because as far as I remember NO government has showed or declared how much money was in the treasury but they always bawling it ain have , so I just supposed to take your word because politicians are always honest . This is animal farm in live action, it good for them but not good for the rest but we allow it.So Government Ministers hefty salaries and perks, not draining the country?
All of the country's financial information can be found on the Central Bank's website under its data centre portal
https://www.central-bank.org.tt/statistics/data-centre
Don't expect to be spoon fed every piece of information you need.
And now is not the time to get vex at Politicians salaries and perks - to do so now is just hypocritical given that its only so because of the pittance of an increment offered. Outrage should have been done when the Salary Review Commission review happened and when the car tax revelations came out. Pressure should have been placed then on all elected and appointed leaders. However what I saw was minor discontent but lots of red and yellow supporters justifying why their leaders need the pay they have. Same way mites supporting Foster now when potentially he is a corrupt PoS you can't be vex later on if it turns out he is secretly a billionaire.
That only applies to you because it is established you are a cont....the government can do no wrong in your eyes and politicians deserve all the perks , salary and allowances....let's not talk about the money they make under the table...anyway lemme leave you in your bubblewing wrote:Careful the banned alpha male's parrot come to sqawk and call you a cont and a red government idiot and take bull and unc not important and on and on. Lots of free thinkers in here.Dizzy28 wrote:hover11 wrote:Rowley: Hefty salary increases will plunge country into debt
"Do you see that money in the Treasury at this time? Do you see the Minister of Finance being able to find that money so that you with jobs can get paid? Well, it might happen,” he told the crowd.
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/rowley- ... 3ed321ffaf
Ironic, that he asked if we see the money in the treasury at this time because as far as I remember NO government has showed or declared how much money was in the treasury but they always bawling it ain have , so I just supposed to take your word because politicians are always honest . This is animal farm in live action, it good for them but not good for the rest but we allow it.So Government Ministers hefty salaries and perks, not draining the country?
All of the country's financial information can be found on the Central Bank's website under its data centre portal
https://www.central-bank.org.tt/statistics/data-centre
Don't expect to be spoon fed every piece of information you need.
And now is not the time to get vex at Politicians salaries and perks - to do so now is just hypocritical given that its only so because of the pittance of an increment offered. Outrage should have been done when the Salary Review Commission review happened and when the car tax revelations came out. Pressure should have been placed then on all elected and appointed leaders. However what I saw was minor discontent but lots of red and yellow supporters justifying why their leaders need the pay they have. Same way mites supporting Foster now when potentially he is a corrupt PoS you can't be vex later on if it turns out he is secretly a billionaire.
DizzDizzy28 wrote:^ What is the source of that 72k per month?
Are you sure apples are being compared with apples? A minister would receive a salary comprising of several aspects. The basic in 2014 moved from 33 to 41k for a Cabinet Minister but there would have been much more allowances to tack on and a Minister who is an MP and on JSCs would be close to 72k for sure.
However in 2020 the basic was still 41k and no increase has happened since.
hover11 wrote:since we don't stand for anything in this country.
Max,MaxPower wrote:hover11 wrote:since we don't stand for anything in this country.
J,
We have a Carnival.
hover11 wrote:DizzDizzy28 wrote:^ What is the source of that 72k per month?
Are you sure apples are being compared with apples? A minister would receive a salary comprising of several aspects. The basic in 2014 moved from 33 to 41k for a Cabinet Minister but there would have been much more allowances to tack on and a Minister who is an MP and on JSCs would be close to 72k for sure.
However in 2020 the basic was still 41k and no increase has happened since.
Why are we paying these ppl such outrageous amounts as MPs $72000 a month to begin with, what is the justification along with the perks and allowances , what stopping it from reaching 100 or 200k a month....since we don't stand for anything in this country. Real animal farm antics here yes
Unlike many in this forum, we actually have someone who actually proposing solutions to help the public servants, although some may be considered controversial, I think many won't have a problem with these proposals. But now we have to pay OAS almost a billion, so now that 2% starting to look more realistic.daxt0r wrote:While i understand that can't get blood from stone there are other things that can be done to help maybe do a one-off payment.
Why from Newman George to Rowley lawyer who in charge ah PT to every political board appointee and member and MP contribute half their salary and give up all perks to share the burden. Why Faris clearly enrichened from years of that rent money doh give the government 1/4 price for a decade or so to help. Why doesn't all the useless politically appointed COE teams give us freebies for the good of the country and given they never amount to anything actionable? Why not get rid of the useless president and all her staff?
Why not disband the useless CEPEP and URP that adds nothing to GDP and only removes productive labour from the economy?
How about evicting every single person from all HDC houses in EAST POS/Laventille/PNM gangland areas and give to paying citizens who actually need the house.
Alas is left foot right foot ra-ra-ra-ra and smile an ramajay while PNM finanaciers, MPs and friends dingolay to bank in their fleet of luxury vehicles.
Whose fault is that the OAS contract was voided? You just spoke about not punishing taxpayers yet here you are stating that the 2 percent is looking more realisticwing wrote:Unlike many in this forum, we actually have someone who actually proposing solutions to help the public servants, although some may be considered controversial, I think many won't have a problem with these proposals. But now we have to pay OAS almost a billion, so now that 2% starting to look more realistic.daxt0r wrote:While i understand that can't get blood from stone there are other things that can be done to help maybe do a one-off payment.
Why from Newman George to Rowley lawyer who in charge ah PT to every political board appointee and member and MP contribute half their salary and give up all perks to share the burden. Why Faris clearly enrichened from years of that rent money doh give the government 1/4 price for a decade or so to help. Why doesn't all the useless politically appointed COE teams give us freebies for the good of the country and given they never amount to anything actionable? Why not get rid of the useless president and all her staff?
Why not disband the useless CEPEP and URP that adds nothing to GDP and only removes productive labour from the economy?
How about evicting every single person from all HDC houses in EAST POS/Laventille/PNM gangland areas and give to paying citizens who actually need the house.
Alas is left foot right foot ra-ra-ra-ra and smile an ramajay while PNM finanaciers, MPs and friends dingolay to bank in their fleet of luxury vehicles.
X10000daxt0r wrote:While i understand that can't get blood from stone there are other things that can be done to help maybe do a one-off payment.
Why from Newman George to Rowley lawyer who in charge ah PT to every political board appointee and member and MP contribute half their salary and give up all perks to share the burden. Why Faris clearly enrichened from years of that rent money doh give the government 1/4 price for a decade or so to help. Why doesn't all the useless politically appointed COE teams give us freebies for the good of the country and given they never amount to anything actionable? Why not get rid of the useless president and all her staff?
Why not disband the useless CEPEP and URP that adds nothing to GDP and only removes productive labour from the economy?
How about evicting every single person from all HDC houses in EAST POS/Laventille/PNM gangland areas and give to paying citizens who actually need the house.
Alas is left foot right foot ra-ra-ra-ra and smile an ramajay while PNM finanaciers, MPs and friends dingolay to bank in their fleet of luxury vehicles.
I said that taxpayers should get value for their contribution, such as a more effective and productive public service. This will encourage and even stimulate economic growth through improvement in ease of doing business, optimization of customs, tax collection etc. Then the economy will be able to sustain the increase without depending on outside factors. As it is, high oil prices is the only reason we even talking about salary increases for public servants. Because we all know that the government is too incompetent to generate increased revenue, reduce food imports etc.hover11 wrote:Whose fault is that the OAS contract was voided? You just spoke about not punishing taxpayers yet here you are stating that the 2 percent is looking more realisticwing wrote:Unlike many in this forum, we actually have someone who actually proposing solutions to help the public servants, although some may be considered controversial, I think many won't have a problem with these proposals. But now we have to pay OAS almost a billion, so now that 2% starting to look more realistic.daxt0r wrote:While i understand that can't get blood from stone there are other things that can be done to help maybe do a one-off payment.
Why from Newman George to Rowley lawyer who in charge ah PT to every political board appointee and member and MP contribute half their salary and give up all perks to share the burden. Why Faris clearly enrichened from years of that rent money doh give the government 1/4 price for a decade or so to help. Why doesn't all the useless politically appointed COE teams give us freebies for the good of the country and given they never amount to anything actionable? Why not get rid of the useless president and all her staff?
Why not disband the useless CEPEP and URP that adds nothing to GDP and only removes productive labour from the economy?
How about evicting every single person from all HDC houses in EAST POS/Laventille/PNM gangland areas and give to paying citizens who actually need the house.
Alas is left foot right foot ra-ra-ra-ra and smile an ramajay while PNM finanaciers, MPs and friends dingolay to bank in their fleet of luxury vehicles.
Some holes in this reasoning , you say you want a more productive public service since that will equal more growth in the economy ok no problem. We only talking about salary increase with regards to high oil prices no problem following you so far...however where is the government focus now dropping tax on vehicles atm how that helping anybody right now, how is that going to drive this economy, the forex we just got from the windfall going back out , then again this was just a distraction so it looking like the government actually doing something , instead of taking that same money and giving public servants who will then take that new disposable income and support small businesses....idk is simple economics at play herewing wrote:I said that taxpayers should get value for their contribution, such as a more effective and productive public service. This will encourage and even stimulate economic growth through improvement in ease of doing business, optimization of customs, tax collection etc. Then the economy will be able to sustain the increase without depending on outside factors. As it is, high oil prices is the only reason we even talking about salary increases for public servants. Because we all know that the government is too incompetent to generate increased revenue, reduce food imports etc.hover11 wrote:Whose fault is that the OAS contract was voided? You just spoke about not punishing taxpayers yet here you are stating that the 2 percent is looking more realisticwing wrote:Unlike many in this forum, we actually have someone who actually proposing solutions to help the public servants, although some may be considered controversial, I think many won't have a problem with these proposals. But now we have to pay OAS almost a billion, so now that 2% starting to look more realistic.daxt0r wrote:While i understand that can't get blood from stone there are other things that can be done to help maybe do a one-off payment.
Why from Newman George to Rowley lawyer who in charge ah PT to every political board appointee and member and MP contribute half their salary and give up all perks to share the burden. Why Faris clearly enrichened from years of that rent money doh give the government 1/4 price for a decade or so to help. Why doesn't all the useless politically appointed COE teams give us freebies for the good of the country and given they never amount to anything actionable? Why not get rid of the useless president and all her staff?
Why not disband the useless CEPEP and URP that adds nothing to GDP and only removes productive labour from the economy?
How about evicting every single person from all HDC houses in EAST POS/Laventille/PNM gangland areas and give to paying citizens who actually need the house.
Alas is left foot right foot ra-ra-ra-ra and smile an ramajay while PNM finanaciers, MPs and friends dingolay to bank in their fleet of luxury vehicles.
Where Redman and habit 7 , who here could really wake up everyday and say "Good job Rowley". Even Max has his doubts of PNM 2025 . Red government is penance that trinis hadda endure. Allya go watch big ppl and offer them 100 dollar increase before NIS and tax what they going home with, while the grocery prices skyrocketing, kamla used to theif inno but she used to give. 14 percent increase she gave and money was allocated for backpayDe Dragon wrote:Broken Wing seems to be the latest in the line of LFD RFD PNM apologists after Tunts7 and Red Colostomy Bag.
hover11 wrote:Where Redman and habit 7 , who here could really wake up everyday and say "Good job Rowley". Even Max has his doubts of PNM 2025 . Red government is penance that trinis hadda endure.De Dragon wrote:Broken Wing seems to be the latest in the line of LFD RFD PNM apologists after Tunts7 and Red Colostomy Bag.
Dragon, I didn't address you and you continue with the name calling. I already advised you to temper your behavior online lest your multinational employer have grounds to discipline you for online speech. I reiterate that many multinational corporations have very strict policies with regards to harassment and online behavior. I could be wrong however by assuming you are employed with a multinational corporation. Anyway, please desist from mentioning me in your posts since I didn't address you.hover11 wrote:Where Redman and habit 7 , who here could really wake up everyday and say "Good job Rowley". Even Max has his doubts of PNM 2025 . Red government is penance that trinis hadda endure. Allya go watch big ppl and offer them 100 dollar increase before NIS and tax what they going home with, while the grocery prices skyrocketing, kamla used to theif inno but she used to give. 14 percent increase she gave and money was allocated for backpayDe Dragon wrote:Broken Wing seems to be the latest in the line of LFD RFD PNM apologists after Tunts7 and Red Colostomy Bag.
I am not an economist so I will have some wrong ideas, but I believe the reason for the hybrid exemption is that hybrids use less fuel, so we don't have to import as much fuel, thus saving forex. As to if it will be a net gain, the public servants in the various ministries would have done the calculation. My concern is what happens when the public servants get the increases. How will it be sustained when oil prices go down. We already cannot depend on the government to suddenly diversify the economy or come up with innovation to increase revenue. However, the public service has its part to play by maximizing productivity and effeciency which we can agree has been below par for many years.hover11 wrote:Some holes in this reasoning , you say you want a more productive public service since that will equal more growth in the economy ok no problem. We only talking about salary increase with regards to high oil prices no problem following you so far...however where is the government focus now dropping tax on vehicles atm how that helping anybody right now, how is that going to drive this economy, the forex we just got from the windfall going back out , then again this was just a distraction so it looking like the government actually doing something , instead of taking that same money and giving public servants who will then take that new disposable income and support small businesses....idk is simple economics at play herewing wrote:I said that taxpayers should get value for their contribution, such as a more effective and productive public service. This will encourage and even stimulate economic growth through improvement in ease of doing business, optimization of customs, tax collection etc. Then the economy will be able to sustain the increase without depending on outside factors. As it is, high oil prices is the only reason we even talking about salary increases for public servants. Because we all know that the government is too incompetent to generate increased revenue, reduce food imports etc.hover11 wrote:Whose fault is that the OAS contract was voided? You just spoke about not punishing taxpayers yet here you are stating that the 2 percent is looking more realisticwing wrote:Unlike many in this forum, we actually have someone who actually proposing solutions to help the public servants, although some may be considered controversial, I think many won't have a problem with these proposals. But now we have to pay OAS almost a billion, so now that 2% starting to look more realistic.daxt0r wrote:While i understand that can't get blood from stone there are other things that can be done to help maybe do a one-off payment.
Why from Newman George to Rowley lawyer who in charge ah PT to every political board appointee and member and MP contribute half their salary and give up all perks to share the burden. Why Faris clearly enrichened from years of that rent money doh give the government 1/4 price for a decade or so to help. Why doesn't all the useless politically appointed COE teams give us freebies for the good of the country and given they never amount to anything actionable? Why not get rid of the useless president and all her staff?
Why not disband the useless CEPEP and URP that adds nothing to GDP and only removes productive labour from the economy?
How about evicting every single person from all HDC houses in EAST POS/Laventille/PNM gangland areas and give to paying citizens who actually need the house.
Alas is left foot right foot ra-ra-ra-ra and smile an ramajay while PNM finanaciers, MPs and friends dingolay to bank in their fleet of luxury vehicles.
wing wrote:Dragon, I didn't address you and you continue with the name calling. I already advised you to temper your behavior online lest your multinational employer have grounds to discipline you for online speech. I reiterate that many multinational corporations have very strict policies with regards to harassment and online behavior. I could be wrong however by assuming you are employed with a multinational corporation. Anyway, please desist from mentioning me in your posts since I didn't address you.hover11 wrote:Where Redman and habit 7 , who here could really wake up everyday and say "Good job Rowley". Even Max has his doubts of PNM 2025 . Red government is penance that trinis hadda endure. Allya go watch big ppl and offer them 100 dollar increase before NIS and tax what they going home with, while the grocery prices skyrocketing, kamla used to theif inno but she used to give. 14 percent increase she gave and money was allocated for backpayDe Dragon wrote:Broken Wing seems to be the latest in the line of LFD RFD PNM apologists after Tunts7 and Red Colostomy Bag.
hover11 wrote:Where Redman and habit 7 , who here could really wake up everyday and say "Good job Rowley". Even Max has his doubts of PNM 2025 . Red government is penance that trinis hadda endure. Allya go watch big ppl and offer them 100 dollar increase before NIS and tax what they going home with, while the grocery prices skyrocketing, kamla used to theif inno but she used to give. 14 percent increase she gave and money was allocated for backpayDe Dragon wrote:Broken Wing seems to be the latest in the line of LFD RFD PNM apologists after Tunts7 and Red Colostomy Bag.
Dizz,Dizzy28 wrote:Has it crossed your mind one of the reasons we can't have balanced budgets is KPB's 14% (amongst other sheit they did)?
Expenditure being more than revenues goes back before Colm and 2015.
The signs were always there that our economy wasn't healthy. Peak economy happened in 2008.
Hover don't misread me I am all for wage increases however I do not want the next generation paying for it. As things stand now thats what will happen.hover11 wrote:Where Redman and habit 7 , who here could really wake up everyday and say "Good job Rowley". Even Max has his doubts of PNM 2025 . Red government is penance that trinis hadda endure. Allya go watch big ppl and offer them 100 dollar increase before NIS and tax what they going home with, while the grocery prices skyrocketing, kamla used to theif inno but she used to give. 14 percent increase she gave and money was allocated for backpayDe Dragon wrote:Broken Wing seems to be the latest in the line of LFD RFD PNM apologists after Tunts7 and Red Colostomy Bag.
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