Re: PNM in Gov't

[Gladiator]

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Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

[Wraith King]

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Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

[Mmoney607]

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Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

The pnm since inception has infiltrated every state organisation, body, committee, tribunal, whatever it is, it is pnm. This is why we need the privy council. They even have proxy organizations in the private sector, civil society, religious organizations and media. If you want any thing done in this country, you either need a pnm party card or you need to know someone with one. This is why the aforementioned organizations and private citizens are not willing to speak out against the pnm or even respectfully disagree with their decisions, you will be victimized.

[Habit7]

So for what we are faulting Sinanan? He is visiting a completed repair project. How dare he?

They don't repair the landslide and the rhetoric is that they are ignoring us here in PT.
They repaired the landslip and publicising it just as it was publicised when it happened, "you come for fame."

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https://www.facebook.com/ExpressNewspap ... 8732461164

Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims

[zoom rader]

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https://www.facebook.com/ExpressNewspap ... 8732461164

Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims

Christian churches are extentions of the red government.

They openly tell members to vote red government against those people that pray to idols. These are their exact words

[Mmoney607]

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https://www.facebook.com/ExpressNewspap ... 8732461164

Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims

Christian churches are extentions of the red government.

They openly tell members to vote red government against those people that pray to idols. These are their exact words

The catholic archbishop is now a chief propoganda officer for the pnm

[The_Honourable]

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https://www.facebook.com/ExpressNewspap ... 8732461164

Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims

Christian churches are extentions of the red government.

They openly tell members to vote red government against those people that pray to idols. These are their exact words

The catholic archbishop is now a chief propoganda officer for the pnm

There is some truth to this with politicians and the church. Happens in the US, whenever politicians want to manipulate or get votes from the afro-american population, they go to the pastor first. Rev Jesse Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton are perfect examples. Many underestimate how important that pastor is within the afro population so its not surprising it's being done locally also. Inset hindus and idol worshipping into the mix, you see how fast a pastor can control the church and manipulate towards a particular outcome.

[Gladiator]

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https://www.facebook.com/ExpressNewspap ... 8732461164

Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims

The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.

[Mmoney607]

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https://www.facebook.com/ExpressNewspap ... 8732461164

Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims

The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.

Hit the nail on the head

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https://www.facebook.com/ExpressNewspap ... 8732461164

Imagine if the middle class and other "independent" organizations had the same attitude to the pnm, we would be in a much better place.

The majority of Trinis' mentality is such that they cannot process that anyone or anything they support or believe in can do no wrong and they experience cognitive dissonance when presented with information showing anything that contradicts their beliefs. Economic, social and political issues cannot be dealt with because of this toxic mentality.

From my observations that type of behavior highly correlates with followers of religion. They seem to associate social behavior, political affiliation etc with the likes of religious faith and belief. They then translate "betraying" their party to being punished by their God.

Religious faith reduces the ability to think critically therefore politicians and corrupt systems employ religious doctrine in their political speeches, agenda and leadership governance in order to keep the religious flock hooked on the political poison.

Trinidad with it super religious citizenry is prime for politians to feed like vampires for decades before the generational cycle of zombie voters is broken.

I agree the same thing happens to religion in that persons can't take criticism of their preferred religion. However I believe politicians use race as their primary strategy.

Religion too .UNC is viewed as the 'Hindu' party.Heard this time and time again by several indo born again Christians and Muslims

The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.

Careful with those wise words here bro.That kind of truth will get you lynched by Red cult Habit7 and crew.

[De Dragon]

^^ Surprised the LFD RFD PNM Brigade eh reach yet!

[Habit7]

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view.

Just the ones I personally remember...

Karl Hudson-Phillips- former AG, demanded Dr. Williams resign, left PNM, formed ONR and contested 1981 elections and got 2nd highest votes
ANR Robinson- founding PNM member, former Deputy political leader, gave the PNM their worst defeat in 1990
Ralph Maraj- former foreign affairs minister, left PNM joined UNC 1995
Dr Rupert Griffith- left Opposition PNM for UNC Cabinet position in 1997
Wendell Mottley- former finance minister, left PNM and formed own party and got 1% of votes in 2002 elections
Dr Keith Rowley- openly criticised PM Manning handling of UDECOTT in 2008, wide support from his constituency, chosen as political leader in 2010
Dr Denise Tsoi A Fatt Angus- former THA Presiding Officer, went independent in 2021 THA elections, will contest a full slate next THA election.

This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

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Exactly the point Habit.Agree with the leadership or GTFO with PNM

[Habit7]

Exactly the point Habit.Agree with the leadership or GTFO with PNM

No, you are shifting the goalposts. A man said "There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role." That is false.

In any organisation if you disagree with the leadership to the most extreme extent, they either submit to you or you have to leave. But even in the most recent history, KCR disagreed privately with the leadership, he was fired from the Cabinet. He then disagreed publicly, internally the PM sensed he was going to be challenged with a vote of no confidence and he called elections early. PNM supporters did not support him enough and he lost. KCR was elected leader and the PNM supporters came back and they won nearly every election since then.

[The_Honourable]

The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.

Good contribution. The usual suspects will pull a sentence or a paragraph, apply a different meaning to derail, paint a different picture and accuse you of moving goalposts.

We need to remember that the PNM is not afraid of the UNC. What the pnm is deadly afraid off is an afro-trinidadian outside of the pnm rising to power and challenging them. That is why you see venom against afro-trinis that don't tow the pnm line and biblical attacks when one has high potential and decides to challenge the pnm. Eric Williams showed his fear when he banned Kwame Ture from entering the country back in the early 70s during Black Power. ANR Robinson rose to power resulting in the infamous 33-3 in 1986. Jack Warner was in line to pull it off but scandals of his own doing brought him down. Imagine Jack Warner becoming the political leader of the UNC? That would have sent a political shockwave and PNM on defense trying to hold on to their afro-trinidadian base.

We have a long way of becoming enlightened. Politics is about division so even if dynamics change in the future, there will always be a fundamental issue that will divide the population for politicians to take advantage off.

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Exactly the point Habit.Agree with the leadership or GTFO with PNM

No, you are shifting the goalposts. A man said "There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role." That is false.

In any organisation if you disagree with the leadership to the most extreme extent, they either submit to you or you have to leave. But even in the most recent history, KCR disagreed privately with the leadership, he was fired from the Cabinet. He then disagreed publicly, internally the PM sensed he was going to be challenged with a vote of no confidence and he called elections early. PNM supporters did not support him enough and he lost. KCR was elected leader and the PNM supporters came back and they won nearly every election since then.

No goalposts changed.The word internally applies if it stays internal.Once they buss out, it stops being internal. Comprende?

[Ben_spanna]

country is going down and down, everything getting worse.... we are going backwards... our justice system protects the criminals............. and its NOT the current party solely to blame its BOTH of our political parties that have failed over the last 40 years to improve our quality of life.
Regardless of if youre red and ready or The rising sun, face it- both parties have FAILED US Miserably.

[zoom rader]

The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.

Good contribution. The usual suspects will pull a sentence or a paragraph, apply a different meaning to derail, paint a different picture and accuse you of moving goalposts.

We need to remember that the PNM is not afraid of the UNC. What the pnm is deadly afraid off is an afro-trinidadian outside of the pnm rising to power and challenging them. That is why you see venom against afro-trinis that don't tow the pnm line and biblical attacks when one has high potential and decides to challenge the pnm. Eric Williams showed his fear when he banned Kwame Ture from entering the country back in the early 70s during Black Power. ANR Robinson rose to power resulting in the infamous 33-3 in 1986. Jack Warner was in line to pull it off but scandals of his own doing brought him down. Imagine Jack Warner becoming the political leader of the UNC? That would have sent a political shockwave and PNM on defense trying to hold on to their afro-trinidadian base.

We have a long way of becoming enlightened. Politics is about division so even if dynamics change in the future, there will always be a fundamental issue that will divide the population for politicians to take advantage off.

Once an African leaves the Red government he is called a lick bottom African.

This is how the red government controls Africans

[zoom rader]

country is going down and down, everything getting worse.... we are going backwards... our justice system protects the criminals............. and its NOT the current party solely to blame its BOTH of our political parties that have failed over the last 40 years to improve our quality of life.
Regardless of if youre red and ready or The rising sun, face it- both parties have FAILED US Miserably.

But you and many other still going back and vote the red government as you rather eat grass than vote for a perceived Indo party

[Ben_spanna]

zoom- YOU are one of the reasons why racial discrimination is alive and well..people like YOU continue to put everything in black and white. thanks!

[zoom rader]

zoom- YOU are one of the reasons why racial discrimination is alive and well..people like YOU continue to put everything in black and white. thanks!

You all just don't like to admit the truth

Is it ok to call Africans that vote non red government lick bottom Africans?

But the same Africans have a problem with Blank man

[zoom rader]

The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.

Good contribution. The usual suspects will pull a sentence or a paragraph, apply a different meaning to derail, paint a different picture and accuse you of moving goalposts.

We need to remember that the PNM is not afraid of the UNC. What the pnm is deadly afraid off is an afro-trinidadian outside of the pnm rising to power and challenging them. That is why you see venom against afro-trinis that don't tow the pnm line and biblical attacks when one has high potential and decides to challenge the pnm. Eric Williams showed his fear when he banned Kwame Ture from entering the country back in the early 70s during Black Power. ANR Robinson rose to power resulting in the infamous 33-3 in 1986. Jack Warner was in line to pull it off but scandals of his own doing brought him down. Imagine Jack Warner becoming the political leader of the UNC? That would have sent a political shockwave and PNM on defense trying to hold on to their afro-trinidadian base.

We have a long way of becoming enlightened. Politics is about division so even if dynamics change in the future, there will always be a fundamental issue that will divide the population for politicians to take advantage off.

That's just it as the red government does not want Africans leading outside the red government.

[Habit7]

Exactly the point Habit.Agree with the leadership or GTFO with PNM

No, you are shifting the goalposts. A man said "There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role." That is false.

In any organisation if you disagree with the leadership to the most extreme extent, they either submit to you or you have to leave. But even in the most recent history, KCR disagreed privately with the leadership, he was fired from the Cabinet. He then disagreed publicly, internally the PM sensed he was going to be challenged with a vote of no confidence and he called elections early. PNM supporters did not support him enough and he lost. KCR was elected leader and the PNM supporters came back and they won nearly every election since then.

No goalposts changed.The word internally applies if it stays internal.Once they buss out, it stops being internal. Comprende?

To agree or disagree with the leadership one has to be internal. You are not making sense. KCR disagreed with the leadership, he was still chosen as a candidate in 2010 and is now leader. It never stopped being internal.

[Habit7]

We need to remember that the PNM is not afraid of the UNC. What the pnm is deadly afraid off is an afro-trinidadian outside of the pnm rising to power and challenging them. That is why you see venom against afro-trinis that don't tow the pnm line and biblical attacks when one has high potential and decides to challenge the pnm. Eric Williams showed his fear when he banned Kwame Ture from entering the country back in the early 70s during Black Power. ANR Robinson rose to power resulting in the infamous 33-3 in 1986. Jack Warner was in line to pull it off but scandals of his own doing brought him down. Imagine Jack Warner becoming the political leader of the UNC? That would have sent a political shockwave and PNM on defense trying to hold on to their afro-trinidadian base.

You are right the PNM doesn't fear the UNC. But the UNC supporters are afraid of correcting the UNC so that become worthy of being considered a formidable contender. So they project false info like ppl are afraid to challenge PNM leadership when the reality is that that is the situation in the UNC and the main reason why they are not feared by the PNM. But that is an issue for the UNC thread where their supporters don't even want to touch it.

The issue is that PNM is entrenched. They are the longest serving political party in the country and even when the lose, those who follow them don't do better so the country reverts to them. PNM shows venom to anybody who challenges them afro or indo, its called politics. But major venom was shown to Robinson and a 3 person PNM Opposition beat him.

The only ppl who saw JW as politically valuable was UNC ppl. Since 1989 afrotrinis know him as a crook. They would take his handouts and still not vote for him. If anything, the way that the UNC doublecrossed him and how he came out afterwards and revealed that he was always hindered by the Hindu cabal of the UNC. That further distanced UNC from the afrotrinis. JW became the political leader of the ILP and it made no difference, it never attracted any considerable votes. If fact KCR said about JW, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

While you all playing checkers, PNM play chess. You are thinking about race-based voting, while PNM broadening their tent. Afrotrinis are just 34% of the country, less than Indos. For PNM to win they need the 50% and it is a fact not all afros vote PNM. PNM has been able to make a successful enough hold in the mixed and non afro population. UNC ppl try to make it about race and every other excuse for their party's failure but it is beyond race.

All parties have blind supporters, all parties have racial supporters. The success and failure is in the leadership. Stop trying to attack PNM supporters because UNC leadership is too inept to gain more supporters.

[Wraith King]

The UNC and their flock is not a major concern when it comes to blind loyalty. Yes, they have the uneducated base that will vote regardless, but the same traits that the UNC party is always ridiculed for are the ones that make them different to the PNM. There is always infighting, persons disagreeing with each other, persons rising up and challengining leadership, fractions breaking off. These traits show that the members are capable of some sort of decision making skills and critical thinking to have differences in opinion, make decisions and act on them.

The scary fraction is the PNM members that vote for the leadership regardless for what they may do or how they do it. There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role. All the ministers, high internal position holders and MPs etc simply tow the line. Nobody ever expresses a difference in opinion or point of view. This is synonomous with a religious cult where speaking bad of the leader, the party or the cultism itself is akin to being "unpatriotic" or sinful. This is a dangerous mechanism that can ruin a state. There is also a strong correlation with Christianity and the PNM that suggests they use the religious doctrine to brainwash supporters (don't let God out of your thoughts). When that fails there is always the race card.

Let's hope that one day the dynamics change and Trinidad really becomes and educated or rather an enlightened society where the politicians cannot use their party as a cult base to remain wards of the tresury and leech of the land for 5 decades at a time.

Good contribution. The usual suspects will pull a sentence or a paragraph, apply a different meaning to derail, paint a different picture and accuse you of moving goalposts.

We need to remember that the PNM is not afraid of the UNC. What the pnm is deadly afraid off is an afro-trinidadian outside of the pnm rising to power and challenging them. That is why you see venom against afro-trinis that don't tow the pnm line and biblical attacks when one has high potential and decides to challenge the pnm. Eric Williams showed his fear when he banned Kwame Ture from entering the country back in the early 70s during Black Power. ANR Robinson rose to power resulting in the infamous 33-3 in 1986. Jack Warner was in line to pull it off but scandals of his own doing brought him down. Imagine Jack Warner becoming the political leader of the UNC? That would have sent a political shockwave and PNM on defense trying to hold on to their afro-trinidadian base.

We have a long way of becoming enlightened. Politics is about division so even if dynamics change in the future, there will always be a fundamental issue that will divide the population for politicians to take advantage off.

Once an African leaves the Red government he is called a lick bottom African.

This is how the red government controls Africans

This is what they called Afra Raymond for exposing PNM corruption. They weren't bothered by the fact the PNM was engaging in corruption but the fact that a non Indian exposed the PNM. Shows you where voters' priority lies.

[Wraith King]

Anyways the PNM handlers will have to get a new leader soon to get PNM votes and convince them of an imaginary enemy while it's the PNM that keeps their supporters in poverty.

[Habit7]

This is what they called Afra Raymond for exposing PNM corruption. They weren't bothered by the fact the PNM was engaging in corruption but the fact that a non Indian exposed the PNM. Shows you where voters' priority lies.

Can you name:
1. Anytime anyone called Afra Raymond a LBA
2. Any actionable item of corruption Afra Raymond not just commented on but exposed concerning the PNM

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Exactly the point Habit.Agree with the leadership or GTFO with PNM

No, you are shifting the goalposts. A man said "There is never a true challenge internally for the leadership role." That is false.

In any organisation if you disagree with the leadership to the most extreme extent, they either submit to you or you have to leave. But even in the most recent history, KCR disagreed privately with the leadership, he was fired from the Cabinet. He then disagreed publicly, internally the PM sensed he was going to be challenged with a vote of no confidence and he called elections early. PNM supporters did not support him enough and he lost. KCR was elected leader and the PNM supporters came back and they won nearly every election since then.

No goalposts changed.The word internally applies if it stays internal.Once they buss out, it stops being internal. Comprende?

To agree or disagree with the leadership one has to be internal. You are not making sense. KCR disagreed with the leadership, he was still chosen as a candidate in 2010 and is now leader. It never stopped being internal.

You forget about when Patos had him in the doghouse?

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