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Increments are just 200 or max 500 increase in salary which is taxed. We don't work in the private sector where you get bonus at the end if the year. Also you used to work in the public service so you say so you should know you have to wait years for your Increments. Anyway to answer your question about productivity that is managerial, a worker cannot tell a manager how to run their ship, the employer, the government knows this issue exists similar to that of the homes and likewise they sit on their handswing wrote:How is a salary increase going to change all of this? Will the regular worker now be motivated to do a good job even though they will get a good appraisal whether they do a good job or not? Also, seeing that everyone gets a good appraisal and merit increases each year, are you really still working at 2013 salaries?hover11 wrote:This.....men blaming workers but they forget workers just do that ....work. the issues we have with the public service is managerial, square pegs in round holes and lots of favoritism. Productivity is measured in the form of appraisals which is done annually for you to get increments , if the supervisor or manager saying everybody in their department doing a great job when it's quite the opposite who is at fault?sMASH wrote:timelapse wrote:Trade unions can control when you get sick, so why not?De Dragon wrote:MaxPower wrote:De Dragon wrote:MaxPower wrote:
Jason,
Isn’t calling sick and disrupting the service a normal day in the public service?
I agree the Govt is wasting our tax dollars but it would be a further waste to give increases that are not deserved and would do nothing for the citizens.
Yes, it's called sick leave
It's a normal benefit to pretty much every employee
Oh yeh you’re right.
Usually taken after weekend and after Carnival Monday and Tuesday.
Hope they get well soon.
You does control when you get sick?
yes, when the govt decide to keep wages low, when they supposed to boost it up... at tht time is hypertension.
the performance of any organisation is the responsiblity of the supervisors/managers/directors to ensure the workers work to standards, or they get workers who can perform at those standards.
if they fraid that they get challenged in court, they have to have metrics gathered over time to prove thier case.
but the piss poor management at public services woudl rather do piss poor management, and not do the nitty gritty work, and let the workers shoulder the blame.
pugboy wrote:dear public servants,
you are an employee/servant doing a job, close your eyes and do it and stop toting and studying how your customers treat you good or bad. Do your job the same regardless.
if you learn to stop toting you will soon realise how much mental baggage you carrying over your head.
if you dont like it go and get another job instead of blaming everybody else.
Let's say you received the minimum increment of $200 before tax which works out to $1350 take home in 2022 on top of consolidated COLA. Of course you will not receive an end of year bonus because public servants don't earn income or Forex for the government. I challenge anyone in the private sector to be able to get an automatic increase of at least 1350 take home. Also where is the union when you don't get increments? Nobody filing a grievance at least? Or are union officials complicit in the status quo? Maybe the PG can sell his German luxury vehicle funded by union dues to help the workers.hover11 wrote:Increments are just 200 or max 500 increase in salary which is taxed. We don't work in the private sector where you get bonus at the end if the year. Also you used to work in the public service so you say so you should know you have to wait years for your Increments. Anyway to answer your question about productivity that is managerial, a worker cannot tell a manager how to run their ship, the employer, the government knows this issue exists similar to that of the homes and likewise they sit on their handswing wrote:How is a salary increase going to change all of this? Will the regular worker now be motivated to do a good job even though they will get a good appraisal whether they do a good job or not? Also, seeing that everyone gets a good appraisal and merit increases each year, are you really still working at 2013 salaries?hover11 wrote:This.....men blaming workers but they forget workers just do that ....work. the issues we have with the public service is managerial, square pegs in round holes and lots of favoritism. Productivity is measured in the form of appraisals which is done annually for you to get increments , if the supervisor or manager saying everybody in their department doing a great job when it's quite the opposite who is at fault?sMASH wrote:timelapse wrote:Trade unions can control when you get sick, so why not?De Dragon wrote:MaxPower wrote:De Dragon wrote:Yes, it's called sick leave
It's a normal benefit to pretty much every employee
Oh yeh you’re right.
Usually taken after weekend and after Carnival Monday and Tuesday.
Hope they get well soon.
You does control when you get sick?
yes, when the govt decide to keep wages low, when they supposed to boost it up... at tht time is hypertension.
the performance of any organisation is the responsiblity of the supervisors/managers/directors to ensure the workers work to standards, or they get workers who can perform at those standards.
if they fraid that they get challenged in court, they have to have metrics gathered over time to prove thier case.
but the piss poor management at public services woudl rather do piss poor management, and not do the nitty gritty work, and let the workers shoulder the blame.
hover11 wrote:I can't agree with you there pug....I'm not a dog don't speak to me like one. Don't feel you could come cussing and I just supposed to sit there and take that I walking off on you. How about you leave whatever problems at the door and deal with ppl in a civilized manner. Cuz I dam sure you don't act so in the embassy or in the bank. Trinis really know what tree to climb
pugboy wrote:that’s the wrong approach, if a customer is behaving badly then somebody in authority speaks to the customer about their behavior and you take it from there and escalate if necessary.
you should still do that customer work without prejudice.
i think you are better suited to work in a fast food place where you can spit in the food since you toting so much.hover11 wrote:I can't agree with you there pug....I'm not a dog don't speak to me like one. Don't feel you could come cussing and I just supposed to sit there and take that I walking off on you. How about you leave whatever problems at the door and deal with ppl in a civilized manner. Cuz I dam sure you don't act so in the embassy or in the bank. Trinis really know what tree to climb
Good job on delivering excellent service based on the commendations that you received. Have these commendations translated into good appraisals and therefore merit increases? Or is your manager or supervisor a square peg that gives good appraisals no matter what? If so, are you really delivering excellent service and are you still working at 2013 salary levels?hover11 wrote:Pug,
That's your opinion sir. I give Excellent service from the commendations I recieve, first things first I being paid to deliver a service not being paid to be berated or spoken you like I'm your child. So I would walk off and let the manager handle that. I believe you in your job and someone cussing u , you definitely not taking that but to each his ownpugboy wrote:that’s the wrong approach, if a customer is behaving badly then somebody in authority speaks to the customer about their behavior and you take it from there and escalate if necessary.
you should still do that customer work without prejudice.
i think you are better suited to work in a fast food place where you can spit in the food since you toting so much.hover11 wrote:I can't agree with you there pug....I'm not a dog don't speak to me like one. Don't feel you could come cussing and I just supposed to sit there and take that I walking off on you. How about you leave whatever problems at the door and deal with ppl in a civilized manner. Cuz I dam sure you don't act so in the embassy or in the bank. Trinis really know what tree to climb
pugboy wrote:dear public servants,
you are an employee/servant doing a job, close your eyes and do it and stop toting and studying how your customers treat you good or bad. Do your job the same regardless.
if you learn to stop toting you will soon realise how much mental baggage you carrying over your head.
if you dont like it go and get another job instead of blaming everybody else.
hover11 wrote:Trinis need to learn to read, there are alot of illiterate trinis out here who expect ppl to baby them up and complete forms on their behalf, that's not how this works when you have hundreds of other customers to see after. Learn to follow basic instructions and have a little patience
Max ,MaxPower wrote:hover11 wrote:Trinis need to learn to read, there are alot of illiterate trinis out here who expect ppl to baby them up and complete forms on their behalf, that's not how this works when you have hundreds of other customers to see after. Learn to follow basic instructions and have a little patience
Jason,
I agree with this. But ALL public servants themselves have to be patient as well especially when it comes to forms. Treat EVERY customer as if they have not filled out a form and prepare to deal with it. If they have completed it, then fine, if not, either ASSIST them or have them fill it out, simple and move on. Public servants MUST be patient, it’s not a choice.
The patience part is all on the public service.
They must be able to position themselves accordingly and be ready to work effectively and efficiently and not use “have some patience” as an excuse to work on their own timing.
If we must have patience, then WE, the citizens have to see things in motion. The public service image is currently utterly despicable and intimidating to many and they can get some patience but don’t take it for granted.
Jason, the Public Service must do better.
pugboy wrote:^Exactly,
it cannot be a chicken and egg situation of blame, the vendor(public servants) supposed to set the example, you cannot be looking to penalize the customers with bad service because you dont like them or their attitude.
workers need to learn to separate their personal feelings from the job function.
hover11 wrote:Max ,
Like I said that doesn't happen you can't go in the embassy if your documents are not in order nor the bank if they tell you complete a form nobody filling out a form for you. You are an adult learn to read and write simple as that. Sorry for being frank but to me that's how it is unless you have some disability that's the only way I will help.
Max I can't help an able bodied person fill out a form when I have 50 other persons to see about, the time it taking to help this one person I could have helped the 50. Then if I take time to help this person, the other 50 will say the same thing you are saying here. Public servants inefficient, look how long I here, I have places to be etc. I have been to the DMV in Florida and they do NOT help you fill out forms, everybody is big ppl , my job is not to help you read or write.MaxPower wrote:hover11 wrote:Max ,
Like I said that doesn't happen you can't go in the embassy if your documents are not in order nor the bank if they tell you complete a form nobody filling out a form for you. You are an adult learn to read and write simple as that. Sorry for being frank but to me that's how it is unless you have some disability that's the only way I will help.
Jason,
Are you saying that you will not be helping an able bodied person to fill out a form if they ask, forget or are unaware?
When i used to customer service work back in the day, brother i have my pen waiting and i filling that form out for them in no time.
We can’t allow these petty issues to interfere with the productivity.
Understand what extending a service and going the extra mile for customers mean.
bluefete wrote:What BS Camille talking here?
If you control 51%, YOU ARE THE MAJORITY OWNER and can call nay shots you want.
By March, Energy Minister Stuart Young announced a Cabinet subcommittee under then Planning Minister Camille Robinson-Regis to examine the state of TSTT. She asked TSTT to stay its hand while the subcommittee made its inquiries, but later said the subcommittee may merely request this of TSTT, but not order it, as it was not a state company and not directly controlled by the Government.
https://newsday.co.tt/2022/05/31/cwu-ts ... ching-400/
Dizzy28 wrote:bluefete wrote:What BS Camille talking here?
If you control 51%, YOU ARE THE MAJORITY OWNER and can call nay shots you want.
By March, Energy Minister Stuart Young announced a Cabinet subcommittee under then Planning Minister Camille Robinson-Regis to examine the state of TSTT. She asked TSTT to stay its hand while the subcommittee made its inquiries, but later said the subcommittee may merely request this of TSTT, but not order it, as it was not a state company and not directly controlled by the Government.
https://newsday.co.tt/2022/05/31/cwu-ts ... ching-400/
IIRC TSTT's shares are owned by NEL (a state enterprise). As opposed to a regular state enterprise whose share(s) are vested in the Minister of Finance as Corporation Sole.
Maybe that's what she means.
bluefete wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:bluefete wrote:What BS Camille talking here?
If you control 51%, YOU ARE THE MAJORITY OWNER and can call nay shots you want.
By March, Energy Minister Stuart Young announced a Cabinet subcommittee under then Planning Minister Camille Robinson-Regis to examine the state of TSTT. She asked TSTT to stay its hand while the subcommittee made its inquiries, but later said the subcommittee may merely request this of TSTT, but not order it, as it was not a state company and not directly controlled by the Government.
https://newsday.co.tt/2022/05/31/cwu-ts ... ching-400/
IIRC TSTT's shares are owned by NEL (a state enterprise). As opposed to a regular state enterprise whose share(s) are vested in the Minister of Finance as Corporation Sole.
Maybe that's what she means.
Thanks for that. But look again. Who owns 66% of NEL? Thus who owns TSTT (51% majority)?
It depends on the type of shares.bluefete wrote:What BS Camille talking here?
If you control 51%, YOU ARE THE MAJORITY OWNER and can call nay shots you want.
By March, Energy Minister Stuart Young announced a Cabinet subcommittee under then Planning Minister Camille Robinson-Regis to examine the state of TSTT. She asked TSTT to stay its hand while the subcommittee made its inquiries, but later said the subcommittee may merely request this of TSTT, but not order it, as it was not a state company and not directly controlled by the Government.
https://newsday.co.tt/2022/05/31/cwu-ts ... ching-400/
teems1 wrote:It depends on the type of shares.bluefete wrote:What BS Camille talking here?
If you control 51%, YOU ARE THE MAJORITY OWNER and can call nay shots you want.
By March, Energy Minister Stuart Young announced a Cabinet subcommittee under then Planning Minister Camille Robinson-Regis to examine the state of TSTT. She asked TSTT to stay its hand while the subcommittee made its inquiries, but later said the subcommittee may merely request this of TSTT, but not order it, as it was not a state company and not directly controlled by the Government.
https://newsday.co.tt/2022/05/31/cwu-ts ... ching-400/
Jeff Bezos gave 17.5m shares to MacKenzie Scott, but she holds 0 voting rights on them.
bluefete wrote:What BS Camille talking here?
If you control 51%, YOU ARE THE MAJORITY OWNER and can call nay shots you want.
By March, Energy Minister Stuart Young announced a Cabinet subcommittee under then Planning Minister Camille Robinson-Regis to examine the state of TSTT. She asked TSTT to stay its hand while the subcommittee made its inquiries, but later said the subcommittee may merely request this of TSTT, but not order it, as it was not a state company and not directly controlled by the Government.
https://newsday.co.tt/2022/05/31/cwu-ts ... ching-400/