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Mmoney607 wrote:redmanjp wrote:^ are viral loads lower though
the latest news about similar viral loads in vaxxed and unvaxxed infected with delta might mean it will be a shortlived opening if any at all. once delta reach close down again
Yup redmanjp. The statements of the cdc and fauci yesterday show that vaccine passports make no sense. Matter of fact, I would say that vaccinated people are more of a threat than unvaccinated people.
But vaccine blind loyalist will ignore this information.
hover11 wrote:So said so done you create an underground need ,citizens already access fake ID, DP what is an immunization card....
sMASH wrote:so wait, ur health minister says only one combination of vaccine is allowable, as it is the only one WHO recomends?
does this man not know how these vaccines work?
does the people that advise him not understnad how these vaccines work?
the people that advise him, are willing to be known as the people that advised him and he gone on to make that pronouncement?
wtf.
De Dragon wrote:Don't get vaccinated. Get Covid. Dead(possibly).
That'll show those vaccine Nazis.
daring dragoon wrote:De Dragon wrote:Don't get vaccinated. Get Covid. Dead(possibly).
That'll show those vaccine Nazis.
How do you explain how come we all see people not wearing mask properly etc or not wearing mask at all interacting with people daily an not getting covid. If you vacinated how it bothering you if i am not? Allyuh go ahead an take it an the rest of us will wait to see what going on or till a good vaccine come out where i dont have to care about covid after i vaccinated. Thank you vaccinated people for being the gineau pigs.
daring dragoon wrote:De Dragon wrote:Don't get vaccinated. Get Covid. Dead(possibly).
That'll show those vaccine Nazis.
How do you explain how come we all see people not wearing mask properly etc or not wearing mask at all interacting with people daily an not getting covid. If you vacinated how it bothering you if i am not? Allyuh go ahead an take it an the rest of us will wait to see what going on or till a good vaccine come out where i dont have to care about covid after i vaccinated. Thank you vaccinated people for being the gineau pigs.
VexXx Dogg wrote:I think the direction some countries and companies are taking is that for the unvaccinated (by choice, not by medical), frequent tests are required to report to work and the employee who made that choice to remain unvaccinated will bear the cost of the high frequency testing.
fair compromise.
Biden to ask federal workers to get vaccinated or face testing -source
David ShepardsonNandita Bose
July 29, 2021
6:54 AM AST
Last Updated 3 hours ago
WASHINGTON, July 28 (Reuters) - U.S. President Joe Biden is expected to announce on Thursday that all civilian federal workers will need to be vaccinated against the coronavirus or face regular testing, social distancing, mask requirements and travel limits, a source familiar with the matter said.
Biden, who will deliver remarks on COVID-19 at the White House at 4 p.m. (2000 GMT) on Thursday, will not mandate vaccines for federal employees and those who decide against getting a vaccine will not be at risk of being fired, the source said.
The United States has about 2.18 million civilian employees and another 570,000 people work for the U.S. Postal Service (USPS), according to 2020 data. It is not clear if Biden plans to apply the requirement to the postal service or to contractors who work for the federal government.
CNN first reported Biden's plan late on Tuesday.
Some states and New York City have announced similar requirements, said the source, who declined to be identified.
For example, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said on Wednesday that state employees will be required to be vaccinated or get tested weekly.
The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs on Monday mandated that its doctors and other medical staff get COVID-19 vaccines, becoming the first federal agency to impose such a requirement.
The VA comprises the largest U.S. healthcare system, employing more than 367,200 full-time healthcare professionals and support staff at 1,293 facilities, according to its website.
On Tuesday, Biden said his administration was considering the requirement for federal employees.
Numerous U.S. agencies on Wednesday mandated masks at federal buildings in COVID-19 hot spots in line with instructions issued by the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB), according to an OMB email seen by Reuters.
The Defense Department said late Wednesday that the masking requirements would apply to the Pentagon.
The White House also said masks are required indoors in federal buildings for all employees and visitors, whether or not they are vaccinated, in those areas experiencing sharp increases in infections.
On Wednesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said nearly 67% of U.S. counties were at substantial or high transmission rates, up from 63.4% on Tuesday.
The federal government is racing to contain the pandemic in the hope of avoiding nationwide shutdowns, as the virulent Delta variant of the coronavirus blazes through parts of the United States and immunizations lag.
AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka told C-SPAN that the union supports vaccine mandates.
"If you come back in and you are not vaccinated, everybody in that workplace is jeopardized," Trumka said Tuesday.
The American Postal Workers Union (APWU) said it opposes a vaccine mandate for federal employees and expressed concern about Biden's expected announcement.
"While the APWU leadership continues to encourage postal workers to voluntarily get vaccinated, it is not the role of the federal government to mandate vaccinations for the employees we represent," the group said in a statement.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden- ... 021-07-29/
paid_influencer wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:I think the direction some countries and companies are taking is that for the unvaccinated (by choice, not by medical), frequent tests are required to report to work and the employee who made that choice to remain unvaccinated will bear the cost of the high frequency testing.
fair compromise.
I don't see that as a good compromise. Private companies do not have the expertise to create or implement public health policy. You will get nonsensical rules that don't work, are outdated and/or not grounded in science. The rules might make sense now, but as we are seeing, the science is changing and we can't take anything for granted (especially with regards to the level of protection offered by vaccination against transmission of variants).
The only good strategy is for the MoH to come up with frequently-updated Employer guidelines (OSHA compliant and Union recognized) for COVID19 as they promised and let companies have a published, voluntary standard to comply against.
Public Health is the job of the Ministry, not Employers.
paid_influencer wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:I think the direction some countries and companies are taking is that for the unvaccinated (by choice, not by medical), frequent tests are required to report to work and the employee who made that choice to remain unvaccinated will bear the cost of the high frequency testing.
fair compromise.
I don't see that as a good compromise. Private companies do not have the expertise to create or implement public health policy. You will get nonsensical rules that don't work, are outdated and/or not grounded in science. The rules might make sense now, but as we are seeing, the science is changing and we can't take anything for granted (especially with regards to the level of protection offered by vaccination against transmission of variants).
The only good strategy is for the MoH to come up with frequently-updated Employer guidelines (OSHA compliant and Union recognized) for COVID19 as they promised and let companies have a published, voluntary standard to comply against.
Public Health is the job of the Ministry, not Employers.
Covid-19: Longer interval between Pfizer doses results in higher antibody levels, research finds
BMJ 2021; 374 doi: https://doi.org/10.1136/bmj.n1875 (Published 23 July 2021)
Cite this as: BMJ 2021;374:n1875
An interval of at least six weeks between the two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine increased concentrations of neutralising antibodies, research funded by the Department of Health and Social Care for England has found.1
The preprint, released on 23 July, looked at immune responses in 503 healthcare workers who had received the Pfizer vaccine. It found that, after the second vaccine dose, neutralising antibody concentrations were higher after an interval of 6-14 weeks than after the 3-4 week regimen that was initially recommended.
When looking at the delta variant, researchers also noted that, though there were good levels of antibodies after the shorter dosing interval, levels were 2.3-fold higher with the longer dosing interval.
The researchers said the findings “indicate that extension of the dosing interval is an effective, immunogenic protocol.”
The UK extended the dosing interval for covid-19 vaccines as part of its decision to accelerate population coverage with a single dose. At the time, evidence indicated that the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was more effective with a longer dosing interval but the effect was less clear with the Pfizer vaccine.2
Speaking at a Science Media Centre briefing, study joint chief investigator Susanna Duanchie, from the University of Oxford, said that an eight week interval was the “sweet spot.” But she added that the Pfizer vaccine was “very good at inducing immune responses no matter what regimen you get. So both the short and the long dosing regimen give a good response of both antibodies and T cells.”
The Protective Immunity from T cells to Covid-19 in Health workers (PITCH) study, which is being carried out across five UK universities and NHS trusts, in collaboration with Public Health England, also found that four weeks after the first dose of vaccine there was a “marked decline in SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibody levels, but, in contrast, a sustained T cell response to spike protein.”
Duanchie said, “After the first dose, if you’re on the long dosing interval, you’re neutralising antibodies do wane over the 10 weeks while you’re waiting for the second dose, particularly to the delta virus, but the T cell response is well maintained.
“Comparing the long and the short dosing interval, we saw that neutralising antibodies were about twofold higher after the second vaccine—the longer dosing interval gave slightly lower T cells when we look at those effector killer cells compared with the short regimen. But when we look in more depth at the character of the T cells, we find that the long dosing interval gives rise to T cells which are more typical of helper T cells and long term memory T cells that promote memory and generation of antibodies.”
VexXx Dogg wrote:paid_influencer wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:I think the direction some countries and companies are taking is that for the unvaccinated (by choice, not by medical), frequent tests are required to report to work and the employee who made that choice to remain unvaccinated will bear the cost of the high frequency testing.
fair compromise.
I don't see that as a good compromise. Private companies do not have the expertise to create or implement public health policy. You will get nonsensical rules that don't work, are outdated and/or not grounded in science. The rules might make sense now, but as we are seeing, the science is changing and we can't take anything for granted (especially with regards to the level of protection offered by vaccination against transmission of variants).
The only good strategy is for the MoH to come up with frequently-updated Employer guidelines (OSHA compliant and Union recognized) for COVID19 as they promised and let companies have a published, voluntary standard to comply against.
Public Health is the job of the Ministry, not Employers.
You can't hear what I'm not saying.
sMASH wrote:^^ all that is good except that since after the 2020 GE, up till 2021 easter ferry zess, teh country was able to move about and conduct business will moderate spread and cases. very manageable.
check back the spikes we had in this country, they were ALL subsequent to mass gathering activity. the recent one is still ongoing, and due to the SEA.
u not getting no major spike once u keep the mass gathering activity down.
sMASH wrote:
adnj wrote:sMASH wrote:^^ all that is good except that since after the 2020 GE, up till 2021 easter ferry zess, teh country was able to move about and conduct business will moderate spread and cases. very manageable.
check back the spikes we had in this country, they were ALL subsequent to mass gathering activity. the recent one is still ongoing, and due to the SEA.
u not getting no major spike once u keep the mass gathering activity down.sMASH wrote:
Ya might just not know - but to CAUSE a spike, the event has to occur BEFORE the spike. Not during the spike.
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