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How / why would we make a deal with the British? They are autonomous countries but not independent / Republic. The British has no obligation to us. Islands which use the Eastern Caribbean currency however can still probably try their luck with the British.Numb3r4 wrote:So we're back to square one then?
Are we going to do a deal with the British?
Sept. 9, 2020
THE HAGUE - The Second Chamber Committee for Kingdom Relations debated today with Undersecretary Raymond Knops about the offer from the Netherlands to help Curaçao, Aruba and Sint Maarten with new loans of many hundreds of millions through the corona crisis.
All Members of Parliament present believe it is justified that the Netherlands imposes strict conditions, including supervision by a reform entity to be formed by the Netherlands that must ensure that Dutch tax money benefits the citizens and does not end up in the wrong pockets. Chris van Dam (CDA), Antje Diertens (D66), Nevin Özütok (GroenLinks) and Attje Kuiken (PvdA) urged Knops to make an effort to reach consensus with the countries.
André Bosman (VVD) and Ronald van Raak (SP) lashed out at the politicians in the Caribbean countries who in their eyes are more concerned with their own interests than that of their people. They pointed, among other things, to the recent decision of Curaçao to increase the ministerial salaries, but also to the "selective" collection of taxes.
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MDtuner70 wrote:I might get lix for saying this but I really wish sometimes that we were still under British rule as a "British Overseas Territory", for eg like Cayman Islands.
So we get still get all the bells and whistles of today's ideologies, democratic dependency etc but we are managed by the British. This would remove sooo many issues we face as a nation, but undoubtedly bring in others I guess...
The Dutch are willing to help, but only if the islands accept temporary Dutch administrators to manage reforms. For most of the Caribbean politicians, this goes too far.
Redress10 wrote:Our best bet was to follow singapore and become wealthy and technologically advanced. The problems we facing today is down to the fact that we held onto too much of british identities and customs instead of forming our own.
Blaze d Chalice wrote:The Dutch are willing to help, but only if the islands accept temporary Dutch administrators to manage reforms. For most of the Caribbean politicians, this goes too far.
Well here is a suggestion......Why don't Caribbean politicians just hull their MCs?Redress10 wrote:Our best bet was to follow singapore and become wealthy and technologically advanced. The problems we facing today is down to the fact that we held onto too much of british identities and customs instead of forming our own.
Nah boi, Singapore is Chinee-looking people.
We cyar follow dem.
We must only follow massa (while bawling things like "Massa day done" mind you)
We only like spoon feed and free ting.
Redress10 wrote:The problem is we are led by inferiors. The two major races are the descendants of either african slaves or indentured labourers. These two races were never taught anything about leadership, governance or economic development.
Our idea of leadership come from the same colonial masters we claim to be independent from. That is why we have an independence day parade with a president who mimics the queen. Our education system is not based on making our citizens globally competitive or attractive but is based on limiting access to quality education to limit opportunities for the less connected.
Massa day done was simply a ruse to get ppl to believe that hard work was akin to slavery and indentureship. The reality is that the average trini saw it as an opportunity to become lazy and ineffecient. As the world was advancing and becoming more efficient, we started to regress.
The singapore model was simple. Everyone pull their weight. Develop singaporians to the level where they become globally competitive and use this knowledge base for the development of the country.
Redress10 wrote:MDtuner70 wrote:I might get lix for saying this but I really wish sometimes that we were still under British rule as a "British Overseas Territory", for eg like Cayman Islands.
So we get still get all the bells and whistles of today's ideologies, democratic dependency etc but we are managed by the British. This would remove sooo many issues we face as a nation, but undoubtedly bring in others I guess...
Britain operate via a class system. We wpuld be considered the lowest class as an overseas territory etc. Words such as "natives". The best jobs and "living" would go to their citizens mainly white, upper class and connected. The rest of the population would just be used to service this class of people.
Just imagine that most trinis only know of britain via its footballers. Wealthy footballers such as Rooney etc are worth over 150 million pounds and are still technically considered low class.
Our best bet was to follow singapore and become wealthy and technologically advanced. The problems we facing today is down to the fact that we held onto too much of british identities and customs instead of forming our own.
Dizzy28 wrote:The Singapore model was based on dictatorship. Even today Singapore has much less freedoms than we or contemporary western nations do.
Censorship, social media controls and even banning of certain religions such as Jehovah Witnesses.
Blaze d Chalice wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:The Singapore model was based on dictatorship. Even today Singapore has much less freedoms than we or contemporary western nations do.
Censorship, social media controls and even banning of certain religions such as Jehovah Witnesses.
You can't change people thinking and mentality overnight or even in one election term.
For a case like Trinidad, the Singapore model would have been ideal.
A dictatorship with the right priorities would have worked wonders.
Trinis have shown that they cannot "move" unless a big stick, whip or belt is hovering near them at all times.
Unfortunately PNM stood for a complete 180 of what LKY them stood for, so is no wonder TT is the total opposite of Singapore.
Blaze d Chalice wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:The Singapore model was based on dictatorship. Even today Singapore has much less freedoms than we or contemporary western nations do.
Censorship, social media controls and even banning of certain religions such as Jehovah Witnesses.
You can't change people thinking and mentality overnight or even in one election term.
For a case like Trinidad, the Singapore model would have been ideal.
A dictatorship with the right priorities would have worked wonders.
Trinis have shown that they cannot "move" unless a big stick, whip or belt is hovering near them at all times.
Unfortunately PNM stood for a complete 180 of what LKY them stood for, so is no wonder TT is the total opposite of Singapore.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Blaze d Chalice wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:The Singapore model was based on dictatorship. Even today Singapore has much less freedoms than we or contemporary western nations do.
Censorship, social media controls and even banning of certain religions such as Jehovah Witnesses.
You can't change people thinking and mentality overnight or even in one election term.
For a case like Trinidad, the Singapore model would have been ideal.
A dictatorship with the right priorities would have worked wonders.
Trinis have shown that they cannot "move" unless a big stick, whip or belt is hovering near them at all times.
Unfortunately PNM stood for a complete 180 of what LKY them stood for, so is no wonder TT is the total opposite of Singapore.
In the 1960's Singapore and T&T were like economic twins - they were almost identical.
The Singaporean leader went to Jamaica back then to see how things were being run there as they were doing better than Singapore at the time. Today, Singapore has one of the most successful and vibrant economies in the world. This was no easy feat, and highlighted the qualities that made Lee Kuan Yew an outstanding leader
This is Singapore today
Singapore-600.jpg
https://medium.com/@carla.ibanzo/singap ... 17b8699e15
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:In the 1960's Singapore and T&T were like economic twins - they were almost identical.
The Singaporean leader went to Jamaica back then to see how things were being run there as they were doing better than Singapore at the time. Today, Singapore has one of the most successful and vibrant economies in the world. This was no easy feat, and highlighted the qualities that made Lee Kuan Yew an outstanding leader
This is Singapore today
Singapore-600.jpg
https://medium.com/@carla.ibanzo/singap ... 17b8699e15
King Growlers went to Ghana, so he learning from them.Blaze d Chalice wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:In the 1960's Singapore and T&T were like economic twins - they were almost identical.
The Singaporean leader went to Jamaica back then to see how things were being run there as they were doing better than Singapore at the time. Today, Singapore has one of the most successful and vibrant economies in the world. This was no easy feat, and highlighted the qualities that made Lee Kuan Yew an outstanding leader
This is Singapore today
Singapore-600.jpg
https://medium.com/@carla.ibanzo/singap ... 17b8699e15
Yeah because LKY had a vision and wanted to make his country a better place.
If Jamaica was doing better than Trinidad and the TT leader went to Jamaica to see how things were being run, he would take note of these things and put it in a list of "Things we will never ever do in Trinidad"
In 1990 LKY rule ended, whereas in 1990 we had a coup.
Good thing LKY didn't take anything material from Jamaica or else they might have wanted to demand reparations for making Singapore a good place at the expense of Jamaica.
Another thing people forget is that when you raise your country to a higher standard, it doesn't magically stay like that, you have to keep upholding it and that is one shortcoming of trinis.
Few people have that kind of attitude and 'drive'
You mostly see this type of thing in Asian countries and a few European like Germany (talking about China/Taiwan/Japan/Korea asians etc) not India/Pakistan/all the Stans.
With all that being said, why doesn't King Growlers offer to host some of these people.
I mean we take some Venez and Trinis bawling "no more, dais enough"
How do you think they would react to this new group?
St.Maarten population - 75000 - that means we could have taken in all of them comfortably.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Blaze d Chalice wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:The Singapore model was based on dictatorship. Even today Singapore has much less freedoms than we or contemporary western nations do.
Censorship, social media controls and even banning of certain religions such as Jehovah Witnesses.
You can't change people thinking and mentality overnight or even in one election term.
For a case like Trinidad, the Singapore model would have been ideal.
A dictatorship with the right priorities would have worked wonders.
Trinis have shown that they cannot "move" unless a big stick, whip or belt is hovering near them at all times.
Unfortunately PNM stood for a complete 180 of what LKY them stood for, so is no wonder TT is the total opposite of Singapore.
In the 1960's Singapore and T&T were like economic twins - they were almost identical.
The Singaporean leader went to Jamaica back then to see how things were being run there as they were doing better than Singapore at the time. Today, Singapore has one of the most successful and vibrant economies in the world. This was no easy feat, and highlighted the qualities that made Lee Kuan Yew an outstanding leader
This is Singapore today
Singapore-600.jpg
https://medium.com/@carla.ibanzo/singap ... 17b8699e15
Redress10 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Blaze d Chalice wrote:Dizzy28 wrote:The Singapore model was based on dictatorship. Even today Singapore has much less freedoms than we or contemporary western nations do.
Censorship, social media controls and even banning of certain religions such as Jehovah Witnesses.
You can't change people thinking and mentality overnight or even in one election term.
For a case like Trinidad, the Singapore model would have been ideal.
A dictatorship with the right priorities would have worked wonders.
Trinis have shown that they cannot "move" unless a big stick, whip or belt is hovering near them at all times.
Unfortunately PNM stood for a complete 180 of what LKY them stood for, so is no wonder TT is the total opposite of Singapore.
In the 1960's Singapore and T&T were like economic twins - they were almost identical.
The Singaporean leader went to Jamaica back then to see how things were being run there as they were doing better than Singapore at the time. Today, Singapore has one of the most successful and vibrant economies in the world. This was no easy feat, and highlighted the qualities that made Lee Kuan Yew an outstanding leader
This is Singapore today
Singapore-600.jpg
https://medium.com/@carla.ibanzo/singap ... 17b8699e15
That's because LKY looked past their colonial masters and looked towards where the world would be. He positioned Singapore to be the best in the world. Our leaders looked towards the colonial powers and transplanted everything here except the productivity and purpose. So instead of technology centers and investment banks we got country clubs and cricket clubs.
Our "elitism" didn't come via excellence and accomplishments but instead via access and association. If the individual is not being forced to strive for excellence then the country can't progress. Most trinis don't even know the link between their level of productivity and the country's gdp. Most trinis don't even know what a gdp is or means. Most trinis don't even know how the gdp has an impact on currency value or the goods that can be traded.
Most trinis don't know what it is they really suppose to know. Our education system has failed.
You understand the play and PNM ppl think they are freeteems1 wrote:Kamla was 10 and Rowley 12 when Trinidad got independence.
I doubt they were interested in the inner workings of country and cricket clubs as a bunch of pre pubescent kids.
It's been 58 years since independence. It's time to stop blaming the UK and try to fix your country.
It may be too late now as the 1% owns the ruling party and have entrenched themselves deeply within the state funds.
I guess massa day never ended.
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