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the collectors are not taking a hit, the banks are deferring but at no loss to them
abducted wrote:The nation has been brought to a standstill once at immense cost to the economy, education and health more generally. And now with cases rising there is the threat of new national restrictions, while large parts of the country have already found themselves back in partial lockdown. But are we fighting a losing battle? Do we instead need to learn to live with the virus?
The constant mantra is the virus must be suppressed and contained. But how do you do this when people can be infectious without knowing they have it? Where it can be passed on silently because people do not develop symptoms?
Hospital admissions matter 'not cases'
What's the risk of loosening our grip?
The death toll has undoubtedly been terrible.
The problem of relying on hospital admissions is that you can find yourself behind the curve. Hospital cases are a result of infections from a few weeks back - so if they spiral out of control more draconian measures may be needed than would have been otherwise.
The other issue, says Prof Christina Pagel, from University College London, is "Long Covid" - the patients who still struggle months after an infection. She says it would be "irresponsible" to allow the virus to spread as it is still less than a year old and we are still not certain of what the long-term risks are.
She also says if infection rates go up in the younger, healthier age groups it will be difficult to keep it from spilling over into more vulnerable ones.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649
Businesses and the economy is suffering
We cannot continue like this when bills, mortgages, rent, taxes still have to be paid and the collectors are not taking a hit, the banks are deferring but at no loss to them, instead you have to pay them more in the long run, this is not sustainable.
Is it time we learnt to live with the virus? Or should the quest be is it time we learn to die with the virus?
VexXx Dogg wrote:You're talking about the social end to a pandemic.
Very interesting read:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/heal ... story.html
MG Man wrote:VexXx Dogg wrote:You're talking about the social end to a pandemic.
Very interesting read:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/heal ... story.html
nobody terrified of HIV anymore
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:You can't compare HIV/AIDS to Covid
Covid is far more contagious through droplets in the air which can be breathed in while HIV is mostly sexually transmitted / shared needles etc.
X_Factor wrote:Exactly....can't get hiv by sneezing and coughing....
And this isn't something like dengue/insect borne viruses where you control the vector that carries it and control the spread
You can't live with it either as it spreads rapidly and one can have their health deteriorate in a matter of days
Only way forward is really a vaccine
MG Man wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:You can't compare HIV/AIDS to Covid
Covid is far more contagious through droplets in the air which can be breathed in while HIV is mostly sexually transmitted / shared needles etc.
yeah but remember when it THE global epidemic for years? Remember the scorn and fear of even being in the same room as someone who was HIV positive?
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:MG Man wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:You can't compare HIV/AIDS to Covid
Covid is far more contagious through droplets in the air which can be breathed in while HIV is mostly sexually transmitted / shared needles etc.
yeah but remember when it THE global epidemic for years? Remember the scorn and fear of even being in the same room as someone who was HIV positive?
Besides being a deadly and often terminal disease back in the day - a lot of that scorn came because of societal norms regarding promiscuity, sexual orientation, drug abuse etc that were linked to transmission
Fear of the unknown also
redmanjp wrote:no. 5- can't wear masks if u eating & drinking - hence the risks. and with airborne (as opposed to droplet) transmission i not sure that 6 feet rule without masks is enough
paid_influencer wrote:can anybody give me a good reason why the beach is closed right now?
once is groups under 5, I doh see a problem
paid_influencer wrote:can anybody give me a good reason why the beach is closed right now?
once is groups under 5, I doh see a problem
Dohplaydat wrote:[list=][/list]redmanjp wrote:no. 5- can't wear masks if u eating & drinking - hence the risks. and with airborne (as opposed to droplet) transmission i not sure that 6 feet rule without masks is enough
It's not, but let people decide if they want to risk it. Once they're not high risk or live with high risk persons, I see nothing wrong.
Dohplaydat wrote:The beaches are totally safe, however given the closures of bars and other forms of entertainment, beach limes will be huge, thus spreading covid like wild fire.
But if they regulate it to groups of 5, then I don't see much risk.
sMASH wrote:Post police to drive out people when it gets to a certain density.
They have to keep it sparse and keep away any more persons.
I personally, I was thinking of a reservation system like cinemas.
U reserve ur date for specific beaches and ur only allowed to remain with that pass. Each beachwill have a max cpapcity.
But really, its easier to just station police to keep people spaced.
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