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hover11 wrote:Boris is trying to appease the masses , the longer he takes to impose harsh or strict restrictions the worse it is going to get. You have to remember politics plays a heavy role in this pandemic, the politicians do not listen to the medical experts when they advise them on doing what needs to be done. If the vaccines are working why are countries still locking down?Dohplaydat wrote:hover11 wrote:UK is at almost 70% fully vaccinated and they are seeing their highest cases since January. Gibraltar is 100% fully vaccinated and they cancelled christmas celebration because of the rise in new cases. With that being said, how exactly is the vaccine helping again? You really believe it have any going back to normal again ....keep telling yourself that to console yourselfDohplaydat wrote:Mmoney607 wrote:These people make decisions based on unreliable and old data . What is the system for data collection the ministry uses, why they can't give up to date data?
Yup unlike anti vaxxers who go on "feelings".
The so called narrative with vaccines has never changed, everyone knew efficacy would fade over time we just didn't know by how much and how new variants would affect that.
Even at this point it seems a 2 dose regime of Pfizer even after 6 months protects very well against severe Omicron.
It's also extremely obvious how much the vaccines protect against hospitalisations and death. Maybe not Sinopharm as much, but the others sure do.
We championed vaccines because it was the only thing that could allow society to return to normal. Got a better plan? Then share it
As of right now with a massive Omicron wave, everything is still open in the UK. Some restrictions have been reinstated but at present they are still far more open than Trinidad. Reason? Vaccinations duh
Maracas? I have a week vacation and Keith bless me with beach.adnj wrote:It's a light rain at the beach right now but it's clearing up. Thanks, Keith.
adnj wrote:Symmetry is required here.hover11 wrote:UK is at almost 70% fully vaccinated and they are seeing their highest cases since January. Gibraltar is 100% fully vaccinated and they cancelled christmas celebration because of the rise in new cases. With that being said, how exactly is the vaccine helping again? You really believe it have any going back to normal again ....keep telling yourself that to console yourselfDohplaydat wrote:Mmoney607 wrote:These people make decisions based on unreliable and old data . What is the system for data collection the ministry uses, why they can't give up to date data?
Yup unlike anti vaxxers who go on "feelings".
The so called narrative with vaccines has never changed, everyone knew efficacy would fade over time we just didn't know by how much and how new variants would affect that.
Even at this point it seems a 2 dose regime of Pfizer even after 6 months protects very well against severe Omicron.
It's also extremely obvious how much the vaccines protect against hospitalisations and death. Maybe not Sinopharm as much, but the others sure do.
We championed vaccines because it was the only thing that could allow society to return to normal. Got a better plan? Then share it
When few people were dying and vaccines were not widely available, Hoover repeatedly posted that COVID was only 98% fatal.
Now that vaccines are widely available and the worldwide metric is that ~90% of contemporary COVID-related deaths are UNVACCINATED people, the issue is no longer survivabilty but breakthrough infections.
COVID vaccines reduce infection, disease, hospitalization, and death.
COVID vaccines have risks of severe side effects (rare) or death (extremely rare) that are far exceeded by their benefits.
I have yet to see any reliable argument to the contrary. If there is, pull it out.
Monk BANzai wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Only 45% of the local population is fully vaccinated - many of those are now past 6 months and require a booster which they have to wait for.
96% of covid deaths were people who were unvaccinated
But the logic is that the vaccines don't work.
How do you expect it to work if you don't take it?
lol see that's the issue...lol "Antivaxxers"[/termusedloosely] didnt/don't expect it to work...what they do expect is the number of boosters you have to take to increase...which in their minds nullifies it "working"...139 pages in and its still humorous yet painful to read each side's argument.
Whats beautiful about all of this is that the Pro-Vaxxers went eeen hard on the Anti's based on the data at the time and their (stupid in my view) opinion that the virus itself would not have mutated to the point where you need boosters to increase its efficacy.
Had that been the narrative ...rather than calling them Feeble and Stupid (your users comments not mine), the discussion on reason vs fact wud have a more lukewarm tinge.
Remember when there was scoffing at "ah fully vaxxed dying from the Virus is in the MINOR/OLDER FOLK?BLAH BLAH BLAH" was a thing?
Is it still? Fully Alas!! we go again!!
Also i'd double check this "96%" (especially if it's coming from the now proven inaccurate MOH)... not for me eh.... but inno...those who ride that "DataDick..."
Great reading guys..*thumbs up.
hover11 wrote:UK is at almost 70% fully vaccinated and they are seeing their highest cases since January. Gibraltar is 100% fully vaccinated and they cancelled christmas celebration because of the rise in new cases. With that being said, how exactly is the vaccine helping again? You really believe it have any going back to normal again ....keep telling yourself that to console yourselfDohplaydat wrote:Mmoney607 wrote:These people make decisions based on unreliable and old data . What is the system for data collection the ministry uses, why they can't give up to date data?
Yup unlike anti vaxxers who go on "feelings".
The so called narrative with vaccines has never changed, everyone knew efficacy would fade over time we just didn't know by how much and how new variants would affect that.
Even at this point it seems a 2 dose regime of Pfizer even after 6 months protects very well against severe Omicron.
It's also extremely obvious how much the vaccines protect against hospitalisations and death. Maybe not Sinopharm as much, but the others sure do.
We championed vaccines because it was the only thing that could allow society to return to normal. Got a better plan? Then share it
he dunno he was marked by the beast at age 6 against his willDe Dragon wrote:hover11 wrote:UK is at almost 70% fully vaccinated and they are seeing their highest cases since January. Gibraltar is 100% fully vaccinated and they cancelled christmas celebration because of the rise in new cases. With that being said, how exactly is the vaccine helping again? You really believe it have any going back to normal again ....keep telling yourself that to console yourselfDohplaydat wrote:Mmoney607 wrote:These people make decisions based on unreliable and old data . What is the system for data collection the ministry uses, why they can't give up to date data?
Yup unlike anti vaxxers who go on "feelings".
The so called narrative with vaccines has never changed, everyone knew efficacy would fade over time we just didn't know by how much and how new variants would affect that.
Even at this point it seems a 2 dose regime of Pfizer even after 6 months protects very well against severe Omicron.
It's also extremely obvious how much the vaccines protect against hospitalisations and death. Maybe not Sinopharm as much, but the others sure do.
We championed vaccines because it was the only thing that could allow society to return to normal. Got a better plan? Then share it
Yes, we're doomed for all eternity because this is the first pandemic in the history of mankind
The_Honourable wrote:Inshan Ishmael - ROWLEY I ENT TAKING DAT!
The_Honourable wrote:chooking ting
SMc wrote:I doh know about allyuh but I didn't have a choice into what race I was born into and what struggles I may or may not have had as a result.
I do have a choice as to whether I get vaccinated or not and reap the benefits or downfalls of making that decision- but its my decision.
How the fork you could relate and thereby diminish the effect of centuries of slavery and the knock-on effects of that on almost every country in the world (slavery wasn't and still isn't only related to those of African decent) by trying to align segregation of blacks and whites to those who vaccinated and who not? What sense that making?
He back on the stuff ar what?
Mmoney607 wrote:SMc wrote:I doh know about allyuh but I didn't have a choice into what race I was born into and what struggles I may or may not have had as a result.
I do have a choice as to whether I get vaccinated or not and reap the benefits or downfalls of making that decision- but its my decision.
How the fork you could relate and thereby diminish the effect of centuries of slavery and the knock-on effects of that on almost every country in the world (slavery wasn't and still isn't only related to those of African decent) by trying to align segregation of blacks and whites to those who vaccinated and who not? What sense that making?
He back on the stuff ar what?
Vaccines do not protect against covid infection. So why would they make vaccination a requirement to be around others? Makes no sense. They just want control of the masses. The "they" will always be white, the masses will always be black. The whites use blacks as front men to capture the other blacks.
No one will simply give up that kind of power and money, slavery and the mentalities of slavery still exist.
The_Honourable wrote:chooking ting
Would you look at that, how does the saying go....too much of anything is good for nothingaaron17 wrote:I not much in covid thread these days but i jus saw this .. i gone day. Laterz
"As Israel weighs whether to approve a fourth Covid vaccine dose, some scientists warn that too many shots might actually harm the body’s ability to fight the coronavirus."
https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/stat ... 0065449989
How's your monthly Horse dewormer subscription?hover11 wrote:Would you look at that, how does the saying go....too much of anything is good for nothingaaron17 wrote:I not much in covid thread these days but i jus saw this .. i gone day. Laterz
"As Israel weighs whether to approve a fourth Covid vaccine dose, some scientists warn that too many shots might actually harm the body’s ability to fight the coronavirus."
https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/stat ... 0065449989
Waste of sperm. Your father should be hung for not using a condom or pulling out.matr1x wrote:With vaccine mandates becoming implemented in many places, I expect cases to go down and fatalities significantly decrease.
What I do propose is if this does not happen, the proponents of vaccine mandates which restrict people's freedoms in terms of work and life, should be hung. After all if you are ok with taking away people's livelihoods you should stake your life on it.
Fair?
wing wrote:Waste of sperm. Your father should be hung for not using a condom or pulling out.matr1x wrote:With vaccine mandates becoming implemented in many places, I expect cases to go down and fatalities significantly decrease.
What I do propose is if this does not happen, the proponents of vaccine mandates which restrict people's freedoms in terms of work and life, should be hung. After all if you are ok with taking away people's livelihoods you should stake your life on it.
Fair?
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