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Penguin wrote:drchaos wrote:PariaMan wrote:14 diseases eliminated by vaccines.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/dis ... eases.html
Once you start going down thus road I know you are totally against vaccination
You can't eliminate a respiratory RNA virus with high transmission rates and possible zoonotic reservoirs. Spreads too fast and mutates too fast.
A good example to compare this to is Influenza ... And how successful have we been at eliminating that?
You can push immunity with vaccines and wait for those who refuse to get natural immunity. Then it becomes endemic and stays with us forever.
Any other narrative like we can end the pandemic with vaccines and lockdowns/handwashing/mask wearing means you either dotish or you have some Dr. No level agenda sheit you trying to push onto the population.
Did we ever have a mass vaccination drive to eliminate the flu? Nope so your point is pointless.
You show a complete lack of understanding of how to handle pandemics, this to me shows your lack of exposure to the health care industry.
There is no 'narrative' being spewed you, you created your own. The 3Ws and vaccinations are mechanisms by which we SLOW down the rate of infection, allowing hospitals to not become overloaded. I can't believe it's almost 2 years into this and you still don't get those simple basic concepts.
Why push natural immunity of high risk persons? That's a foolish suggestion given how severe covid is on many people. And it's not simply that if you're healthy you'll be fine, there's a genetic component to getting severe covid thus leading to many healthy young people dieing.
It is a matter of time before covid becomes an endemic but until then we need to do our best to protect ourselves and each other.
adnj wrote:drchaos wrote:How are they protecting us by spread Omicron variant around the world?
Cause its only the vaccinated that is doing this.drchaos wrote:We gonna have a vaccine mandate and I hearing the price for a "legit" vaccine card with your name going in the data base for $1500 ... Last price I heard was $2500, price going down.
The infected vaccinated, the children that can't get vaxxed, the unvaxxed nationals, the quack doctors, the immunocompromised, the waning immunity Vaxxed, the waning natural immunity unvaxxed, the fake PCR tested, and the phoney vaxpassed. Every third person on an international flight. They are all moving COVID around the globe. The unvaccinated simply have an opportunity to move it with less effort.
And just in time for the holidays.
drchaos wrote:Penguin wrote:drchaos wrote:PariaMan wrote:14 diseases eliminated by vaccines.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/dis ... eases.html
Once you start going down thus road I know you are totally against vaccination
You can't eliminate a respiratory RNA virus with high transmission rates and possible zoonotic reservoirs. Spreads too fast and mutates too fast.
A good example to compare this to is Influenza ... And how successful have we been at eliminating that?
You can push immunity with vaccines and wait for those who refuse to get natural immunity. Then it becomes endemic and stays with us forever.
Any other narrative like we can end the pandemic with vaccines and lockdowns/handwashing/mask wearing means you either dotish or you have some Dr. No level agenda sheit you trying to push onto the population.
Did we ever have a mass vaccination drive to eliminate the flu? Nope so your point is pointless.
You show a complete lack of understanding of how to handle pandemics, this to me shows your lack of exposure to the health care industry.
There is no 'narrative' being spewed you, you created your own. The 3Ws and vaccinations are mechanisms by which we SLOW down the rate of infection, allowing hospitals to not become overloaded. I can't believe it's almost 2 years into this and you still don't get those simple basic concepts.
Why push natural immunity of high risk persons? That's a foolish suggestion given how severe covid is on many people. And it's not simply that if you're healthy you'll be fine, there's a genetic component to getting severe covid thus leading to many healthy young people dieing.
It is a matter of time before covid becomes an endemic but until then we need to do our best to protect ourselves and each other.
We don't have mass vaccinations drives for the influenza because people more intelligent than you have realized that it makes no sense. But now all of a sudden it does? But somehow its not working ...
From just that statement alone it shows you have no experience in health care or how these systems work.
You also claim the 3 W's ... This also points to your ignorance ... Even the WHO and multiple well respected journals have pointed out that surface contact is not how people contract covid. The only masks that work are N95 which are not being used.
So you are down to 1 W which may work in a ventilated area with natural or artificial UV lights.
Another point that makes you look foolish.
Slowing the spread in T&T is pointless, more than half of the population is not going to get vaccinated so what are we slowing the spread to do firetruck up the economy more?
Drive people into more poverty and debt?
firetruck up their kids future?
Worsen the mental health Crisis?
Worsen the crime for decades to come?
You seem so desperate to save 2% of the lives' in the short term Just to firetruck it up for years to come.
I find it sad that I'm agreeing with the PM on this one but its time to end this. Let it burn through the population and get this thing over with. Whoever is vulnerable to this virus they had a choice to take a vaccine and they decided not too.
Rip the plaster off and deal with the short term pain so you don't deal with decades of pain and suffering.
drchaos wrote:Penguin wrote:drchaos wrote:PariaMan wrote:14 diseases eliminated by vaccines.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/dis ... eases.html
Once you start going down thus road I know you are totally against vaccination
You can't eliminate a respiratory RNA virus with high transmission rates and possible zoonotic reservoirs. Spreads too fast and mutates too fast.
A good example to compare this to is Influenza ... And how successful have we been at eliminating that?
You can push immunity with vaccines and wait for those who refuse to get natural immunity. Then it becomes endemic and stays with us forever.
Any other narrative like we can end the pandemic with vaccines and lockdowns/handwashing/mask wearing means you either dotish or you have some Dr. No level agenda sheit you trying to push onto the population.
Did we ever have a mass vaccination drive to eliminate the flu? Nope so your point is pointless.
You show a complete lack of understanding of how to handle pandemics, this to me shows your lack of exposure to the health care industry.
There is no 'narrative' being spewed you, you created your own. The 3Ws and vaccinations are mechanisms by which we SLOW down the rate of infection, allowing hospitals to not become overloaded. I can't believe it's almost 2 years into this and you still don't get those simple basic concepts.
Why push natural immunity of high risk persons? That's a foolish suggestion given how severe covid is on many people. And it's not simply that if you're healthy you'll be fine, there's a genetic component to getting severe covid thus leading to many healthy young people dieing.
It is a matter of time before covid becomes an endemic but until then we need to do our best to protect ourselves and each other.
We don't have mass vaccinations drives for the influenza because people more intelligent than you have realized that it makes no sense. But now all of a sudden it does? But somehow its not working ...
From just that statement alone it shows you have no experience in health care or how these systems work.
You also claim the 3 W's ... This also points to your ignorance ... Even the WHO and multiple well respected journals have pointed out that surface contact is not how people contract covid. The only masks that work are N95 which are not being used.
So you are down to 1 W which may work in a ventilated area with natural or artificial UV lights.
Another point that makes you look foolish.
Slowing the spread in T&T is pointless, more than half of the population is not going to get vaccinated so what are we slowing the spread to do firetruck up the economy more?
Drive people into more poverty and debt?
firetruck up their kids future?
Worsen the mental health Crisis?
Worsen the crime for decades to come?
You seem so desperate to save 2% of the lives' in the short term Just to firetruck it up for years to come.
I find it sad that I'm agreeing with the PM on this one but its time to end this. Let it burn through the population and get this thing over with. Whoever is vulnerable to this virus they had a choice to take a vaccine and they decided not too.
Rip the plaster off and deal with the short term pain so you don't deal with decades of pain and suffering.
drchaos wrote:Penguin wrote:drchaos wrote:PariaMan wrote:14 diseases eliminated by vaccines.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/dis ... eases.html
Once you start going down thus road I know you are totally against vaccination
You can't eliminate a respiratory RNA virus with high transmission rates and possible zoonotic reservoirs. Spreads too fast and mutates too fast.
A good example to compare this to is Influenza ... And how successful have we been at eliminating that?
You can push immunity with vaccines and wait for those who refuse to get natural immunity. Then it becomes endemic and stays with us forever.
Any other narrative like we can end the pandemic with vaccines and lockdowns/handwashing/mask wearing means you either dotish or you have some Dr. No level agenda sheit you trying to push onto the population.
Did we ever have a mass vaccination drive to eliminate the flu? Nope so your point is pointless.
You show a complete lack of understanding of how to handle pandemics, this to me shows your lack of exposure to the health care industry.
There is no 'narrative' being spewed you, you created your own. The 3Ws and vaccinations are mechanisms by which we SLOW down the rate of infection, allowing hospitals to not become overloaded. I can't believe it's almost 2 years into this and you still don't get those simple basic concepts.
Why push natural immunity of high risk persons? That's a foolish suggestion given how severe covid is on many people. And it's not simply that if you're healthy you'll be fine, there's a genetic component to getting severe covid thus leading to many healthy young people dieing.
It is a matter of time before covid becomes an endemic but until then we need to do our best to protect ourselves and each other.
We don't have mass vaccinations drives for the influenza because people more intelligent than you have realized that it makes no sense. But now all of a sudden it does? But somehow its not working ...
From just that statement alone it shows you have no experience in health care or how these systems work.
You also claim the 3 W's ... This also points to your ignorance ... Even the WHO and multiple well respected journals have pointed out that surface contact is not how people contract covid. The only masks that work are N95 which are not being used.
So you are down to 1 W which may work in a ventilated area with natural or artificial UV lights.
Another point that makes you look foolish.
Slowing the spread in T&T is pointless, more than half of the population is not going to get vaccinated so what are we slowing the spread to do firetruck up the economy more?
Drive people into more poverty and debt?
firetruck up their kids future?
Worsen the mental health Crisis?
Worsen the crime for decades to come?
You seem so desperate to save 2% of the lives' in the short term Just to firetruck it up for years to come.
I find it sad that I'm agreeing with the PM on this one but its time to end this. Let it burn through the population and get this thing over with. Whoever is vulnerable to this virus they had a choice to take a vaccine and they decided not too.
Rip the plaster off and deal with the short term pain so you don't deal with decades of pain and suffering.
Penguin wrote:drchaos wrote:Penguin wrote:drchaos wrote:PariaMan wrote:14 diseases eliminated by vaccines.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/dis ... eases.html
Once you start going down thus road I know you are totally against vaccination
You can't eliminate a respiratory RNA virus with high transmission rates and possible zoonotic reservoirs. Spreads too fast and mutates too fast.
A good example to compare this to is Influenza ... And how successful have we been at eliminating that?
You can push immunity with vaccines and wait for those who refuse to get natural immunity. Then it becomes endemic and stays with us forever.
Any other narrative like we can end the pandemic with vaccines and lockdowns/handwashing/mask wearing means you either dotish or you have some Dr. No level agenda sheit you trying to push onto the population.
Did we ever have a mass vaccination drive to eliminate the flu? Nope so your point is pointless.
You show a complete lack of understanding of how to handle pandemics, this to me shows your lack of exposure to the health care industry.
There is no 'narrative' being spewed you, you created your own. The 3Ws and vaccinations are mechanisms by which we SLOW down the rate of infection, allowing hospitals to not become overloaded. I can't believe it's almost 2 years into this and you still don't get those simple basic concepts.
Why push natural immunity of high risk persons? That's a foolish suggestion given how severe covid is on many people. And it's not simply that if you're healthy you'll be fine, there's a genetic component to getting severe covid thus leading to many healthy young people dieing.
It is a matter of time before covid becomes an endemic but until then we need to do our best to protect ourselves and each other.
We don't have mass vaccinations drives for the influenza because people more intelligent than you have realized that it makes no sense. But now all of a sudden it does? But somehow its not working ...
From just that statement alone it shows you have no experience in health care or how these systems work.
You also claim the 3 W's ... This also points to your ignorance ... Even the WHO and multiple well respected journals have pointed out that surface contact is not how people contract covid. The only masks that work are N95 which are not being used.
So you are down to 1 W which may work in a ventilated area with natural or artificial UV lights.
Another point that makes you look foolish.
Slowing the spread in T&T is pointless, more than half of the population is not going to get vaccinated so what are we slowing the spread to do firetruck up the economy more?
Drive people into more poverty and debt?
firetruck up their kids future?
Worsen the mental health Crisis?
Worsen the crime for decades to come?
You seem so desperate to save 2% of the lives' in the short term Just to firetruck it up for years to come.
I find it sad that I'm agreeing with the PM on this one but its time to end this. Let it burn through the population and get this thing over with. Whoever is vulnerable to this virus they had a choice to take a vaccine and they decided not too.
Rip the plaster off and deal with the short term pain so you don't deal with decades of pain and suffering.
You not too bright eh, let me help with some of your points.
I never implied we needed a mass vaccination drive for the flu. The reason that was never brought up as a realistic suggestion is because the flu isn't a single virus, there are several strains, and it mutates frequently, making vaccines difficult. The flu shot exists because there are many people who are vulnerable to developing pneumonia from it and many who just don't want suffer for a week or two with it. The vaccines are updated yearly with the seasonal strains. It does not cover all strains, but it does lessen the effect of various strains, turning a 2 week flu into a 2 day mild cold.
The argument of slowing the spread being foolish shows you clearly do not understand healthcare again. Let me slowly spell this out for you, When a hospital becomes full, other patients suffer, when all the ICUs are occupied, patients with other ailments suffer. This is epidemiology and medical care 101. There are instances in the US where patients with ruptured appendix were turned away and died due to high covid loads. My family has a few doctors and there are all painting a very fire situation in the public health, saying that because they're stretched so thin so many other patients are suffering. They also mention how many stupid unvaxed nurses have led to patients getting the virus.
I do agree that lockdowns and endless restrictions weren't warranted early in the pandemic, we had no pandemic to speak off yet we were locked down. That was a government trying to look good for elections and loved quoting Oxford's #1 in reopening preparedness. The original strain was never that infectious in our climate, delta and P1 is super infectious and it's shown.
Luckily we have vaccines that nullify the virus's effects for most people.
However, people refused to take it which is overburdening the health system again.
When there's no vaccine, it's choosing the best of a bunch of bad choices. When we have a vaccine, it's literally the obvious and only solution. But continue to feed the flames of antivaxxers and conspiracy theorists, the smart 2nrs know you're a big fraud.
matr1x wrote:Notice the world rich is vaccinated and not wearing masks while you all are the "help"
Vaccinated and still have to wear masks. Allyuh dumb for spite
It's because of that waning immunity that causes herd immunity to become unattainable... you are depending on others to take their boosters in a timely manner however that would not happen as most would delay such as some are even questioning 3rd shotpugboy wrote:theoretically you can add another 80k persons to the “herd” if you do a reverse of the 3% deaths on the 2200 dead(divide by .03)
and possibly more given out positivity rate.
of course waning immunity affects the herd numbers
Wrong.hover11 wrote:It's because of that waning immunity that causes herd immunity to become unattainable... you are depending on others to take their boosters in a timely manner however that would not happen as most would delay such as some are even questioning 3rd shotpugboy wrote:theoretically you can add another 80k persons to the “herd” if you do a reverse of the 3% deaths on the 2200 dead(divide by .03)
and possibly more given out positivity rate.
of course waning immunity affects the herd numbers
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ what kind of doctor you said you were again?
drchaos wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ what kind of doctor you said you were again?
The answer to that question was posted on this forum already. You can go back and find it if you need to know.
I believe he is a ventrilo-proctologist.An expert in talking out of one's rearDuane 3NE 2NR wrote:drchaos wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ what kind of doctor you said you were again?
The answer to that question was posted on this forum already. You can go back and find it if you need to know.
link?
Unless you prefer not to say
timelapse wrote:I believe he is a ventrilo-proctologist.An expert in talking out of one's rearDuane 3NE 2NR wrote:drchaos wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ what kind of doctor you said you were again?
The answer to that question was posted on this forum already. You can go back and find it if you need to know.
link?
Unless you prefer not to say
drchaos wrote:PariaMan wrote:I use to laugh at African nations and their reactions to modern medicine
We are now even worst
We have a problem with a proven solution that we can see with our own eyes yet we prefer instead to boast about how good we are with masks
Meanwhile we have the highest death rate in the world
It would be funny if it was not so tragic
Proven to do what exactly? Vaccinated people spreading the Omicron variant around the place like wild fire.
The only thing the vaccine doing is protecting yourself.
Therefore everyman for himself, this has nothing to do with do the right thing for your community.
matr1x wrote:Notice the world rich is vaccinated and not wearing masks while you all are the "help"
Vaccinated and still have to wear masks. Allyuh dumb for spite
Correction:is the dumbfvcks that keeping us behind.teems1 wrote:matr1x wrote:Notice the world rich is vaccinated and not wearing masks while you all are the "help"
Vaccinated and still have to wear masks. Allyuh dumb for spite
Trinidad is around 45% vaccinated. The vaccines have been available, free and multiple ones to choose from for the past few months.
The rich nations are much better off since they are at 75+% vaccination rate.
It's the unvaccinated that are keeping Trinidad back.
Dude, what is your fuckking major malfunction? Huh? Why don't you work on that?matr1x wrote:Why wear a mask if you vaccinated?
matr1x wrote:Why wear a mask if you vaccinated?
matr1x wrote:Why wear a mask if you vaccinated?
MaxPower wrote:matr1x wrote:Why wear a mask if you vaccinated?
Slim,
Can you still get infected if you are vaccinated?
Duh, not so?
So what sheit you asking?
So if you are vaccinated, and you contract Covid, how can you spread it? From your ass?
Cover your blasted nose and mouth.
If you went to school, clearly you weren’t paying attention to understand how germs and diseases spread.
Anyways, you’re one of those contributing to where T&T is where it is on the globe with Covid.
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