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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby pugboy » September 7th, 2022, 7:43 pm

I waiting for somebody to ask why commercial divers were wearing recreational equipment more suited for picking up lobsters

there will be an embarrassing silence for sure.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby matix » September 7th, 2022, 7:57 pm

But like allyuh ain’t get the memo that they have no materials to carry out the COE

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Dave » September 7th, 2022, 8:09 pm

Desks...stationery....really? And this comes from the President's office?????
matix wrote:But like allyuh ain’t get the memo that they have no materials to carry out the COE

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby maj. tom » September 7th, 2022, 8:09 pm

to me i hear the chairman say on the news that they don't have resources, but i waiting for a newspaper printed article to confirm that level of fckery nonsense.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby matix » September 7th, 2022, 8:13 pm

Dave wrote:Desks...stationery....really? And this comes from the President's office?????
matix wrote:But like allyuh ain’t get the memo that they have no materials to carry out the COE


Yes lol, no printers, the furniture came from the office of the prime minister. Some guy asked ‘so where will the PM sit’. Aye this is comedy at its best. A few people offered them resources, but they declined.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Chimera » September 7th, 2022, 8:41 pm

eliteauto wrote:The only acceptable result from this COE for those most vociferous on social media is one where Paria, Heritage, the Coast Guard, the Gov't, and the PNM get blamed. If it discovers that the majority of culpability lies with LMCS we will hear all the cries of political interference/allegience
Even if its LMCS fault for getting into the situation. Wasn't the rescue response lacking? Or was LMCS suppose to have their own rescue plan in place?

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby matix » September 7th, 2022, 8:43 pm

Phone Surgeon wrote:
eliteauto wrote:The only acceptable result from this COE for those most vociferous on social media is one where Paria, Heritage, the Coast Guard, the Gov't, and the PNM get blamed. If it discovers that the majority of culpability lies with LMCS we will hear all the cries of political interference/allegience
Even if its LMCS fault for getting into the situation. Wasn't the rescue response lacking? Or was LMCS suppose to have their own rescue plan in place?



LMCS didn’t turn on the valve.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby matix » September 7th, 2022, 8:44 pm

matix wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
eliteauto wrote:The only acceptable result from this COE for those most vociferous on social media is one where Paria, Heritage, the Coast Guard, the Gov't, and the PNM get blamed. If it discovers that the majority of culpability lies with LMCS we will hear all the cries of political interference/allegience
Even if its LMCS fault for getting into the situation. Wasn't the rescue response lacking? Or was LMCS suppose to have their own rescue plan in place?



LMCS didn’t open the valve.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby The_Honourable » September 7th, 2022, 10:01 pm

wing wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:6 months to start a SOE.
The survivor suffering for medical bills and has to try to hire his own lawyer.

Most of the deceased families in the same boat..


And no big law firm or big lawyer gonna take on this case for free because who gonna go against the government
All of them are just money grabbing maggots. Where Prakash who was bumping non stop? All of them who received billions from 2010 onwards. This coe is just another trough for the pigs to feed. RIP to the deceased.


Prakash was actually present; you can see the conversation between him and the chairman after 1:13:00 in the posted video. He was present as an interested party and confirmed that action would be filed against Paria in the high court.

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby sMASH » September 7th, 2022, 10:31 pm

matix wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
eliteauto wrote:The only acceptable result from this COE for those most vociferous on social media is one where Paria, Heritage, the Coast Guard, the Gov't, and the PNM get blamed. If it discovers that the majority of culpability lies with LMCS we will hear all the cries of political interference/allegience
Even if its LMCS fault for getting into the situation. Wasn't the rescue response lacking? Or was LMCS suppose to have their own rescue plan in place?



LMCS didn’t turn on the valve.

paria still has responsibility to ensure that the contractor is abiding by the official procedures that they woudl have developed in tandem.
what ever fault the contractor has, it would have to be outside of the knowledge of paria...
so, they might hit lmcs some big money to take the fall. no appointed paria person to be targeted.


what has potential to deal blows, is if they get consultations as to what the industry standard for those jobs should be... what the procedures, equpment, isolations, hazards responses etc, and compare to what paria/lmcs was doing, and find it to be deficient



orrr, they blame a rogue whale passing causing the delta p to suck the divers in.....

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby redmanjp » September 8th, 2022, 6:24 pm

maj. tom wrote:to me i hear the chairman say on the news that they don't have resources, but i waiting for a newspaper printed article to confirm that level of fckery nonsense.



https://newsday.co.tt/2022/09/08/paria-drownings-inquiry-without-pens-paper-printer-internet/

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby De Dragon » September 9th, 2022, 1:47 pm

sMASH wrote:
matix wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
eliteauto wrote:The only acceptable result from this COE for those most vociferous on social media is one where Paria, Heritage, the Coast Guard, the Gov't, and the PNM get blamed. If it discovers that the majority of culpability lies with LMCS we will hear all the cries of political interference/allegience
Even if its LMCS fault for getting into the situation. Wasn't the rescue response lacking? Or was LMCS suppose to have their own rescue plan in place?



LMCS didn’t turn on the valve.

paria still has responsibility to ensure that the contractor is abiding by the official procedures that they woudl have developed in tandem.
what ever fault the contractor has, it would have to be outside of the knowledge of paria...
so, they might hit lmcs some big money to take the fall. no appointed paria person to be targeted.


what has potential to deal blows, is if they get consultations as to what the industry standard for those jobs should be... what the procedures, equpment, isolations, hazards responses etc, and compare to what paria/lmcs was doing, and find it to be deficient



orrr, they blame a rogue whale passing causing the delta p to suck the divers in.....

Dese fellers doesn't understand, or care it seems, about duty of care, and vicarious liability. It would shock them to know that under the new OSH regs, YOU can be held liable for a contractor's death or injury on your private premises. This sheit about diving equipment, LMCS was "de contractor" etc, is just that, sheit.
A company's responsibility is to ensure all who undertake work on their behalf,in addition to their own employees,subscribe to THEIR safety regulations. If LMCS had substandard equipment, Paria has blame for that as well as LMCS, because it's supposed to be inspected, certified, and agreed upon BEFORE work commences.
A big MC company like Paria and they don't have SME's to say that the equipment was wholly unsuitable? Nah man!

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby Monk BANzai » September 9th, 2022, 3:44 pm

De Dragon wrote:
sMASH wrote:
matix wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
eliteauto wrote:The only acceptable result from this COE for those most vociferous on social media is one where Paria, Heritage, the Coast Guard, the Gov't, and the PNM get blamed. If it discovers that the majority of culpability lies with LMCS we will hear all the cries of political interference/allegience
Even if its LMCS fault for getting into the situation. Wasn't the rescue response lacking? Or was LMCS suppose to have their own rescue plan in place?



LMCS didn’t turn on the valve.

paria still has responsibility to ensure that the contractor is abiding by the official procedures that they woudl have developed in tandem.
what ever fault the contractor has, it would have to be outside of the knowledge of paria...
so, they might hit lmcs some big money to take the fall. no appointed paria person to be targeted.


what has potential to deal blows, is if they get consultations as to what the industry standard for those jobs should be... what the procedures, equpment, isolations, hazards responses etc, and compare to what paria/lmcs was doing, and find it to be deficient



orrr, they blame a rogue whale passing causing the delta p to suck the divers in.....

Dese fellers doesn't understand, or care it seems, about duty of care, and vicarious liability. It would shock them to know that under the new OSH regs, YOU can be held liable for a contractor's death or injury on your private premises. This sheit about diving equipment, LMCS was "de contractor" etc, is just that, sheit.
A company's responsibility is to ensure all who undertake work on their behalf,in addition to their own employees,subscribe to THEIR safety regulations. If LMCS had substandard equipment, Paria has blame for that as well as LMCS, because it's supposed to be inspected, certified, and agreed upon BEFORE work commences.
A big MC company like Paria and they don't have SME's to say that the equipment was wholly unsuitable? Nah man!


sooo all the other major disasters that had big MC Global companies with FULL HSSE Dept couldn't have foreseen the dangers before said disasters took place?

Nah man!

BTW..Ched title renamed given that we're at the COE stage of all this.

Stay Violent and Abrasive.

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Re: Gulf of Paria Underwater Welders Deaths: Commision of Enquiry.

Postby pugboy » September 9th, 2022, 4:22 pm

yup
once you have an sme they will point out any crap that going to happen and stop it before it can

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Re: Underwater welders missing in the Gulf of Paria??

Postby De Dragon » September 9th, 2022, 4:47 pm

Monk BANzai wrote:
De Dragon wrote:
sMASH wrote:
matix wrote:
Phone Surgeon wrote:
eliteauto wrote:The only acceptable result from this COE for those most vociferous on social media is one where Paria, Heritage, the Coast Guard, the Gov't, and the PNM get blamed. If it discovers that the majority of culpability lies with LMCS we will hear all the cries of political interference/allegience
Even if its LMCS fault for getting into the situation. Wasn't the rescue response lacking? Or was LMCS suppose to have their own rescue plan in place?



LMCS didn’t turn on the valve.

paria still has responsibility to ensure that the contractor is abiding by the official procedures that they woudl have developed in tandem.
what ever fault the contractor has, it would have to be outside of the knowledge of paria...
so, they might hit lmcs some big money to take the fall. no appointed paria person to be targeted.


what has potential to deal blows, is if they get consultations as to what the industry standard for those jobs should be... what the procedures, equpment, isolations, hazards responses etc, and compare to what paria/lmcs was doing, and find it to be deficient



orrr, they blame a rogue whale passing causing the delta p to suck the divers in.....

Dese fellers doesn't understand, or care it seems, about duty of care, and vicarious liability. It would shock them to know that under the new OSH regs, YOU can be held liable for a contractor's death or injury on your private premises. This sheit about diving equipment, LMCS was "de contractor" etc, is just that, sheit.
A company's responsibility is to ensure all who undertake work on their behalf,in addition to their own employees,subscribe to THEIR safety regulations. If LMCS had substandard equipment, Paria has blame for that as well as LMCS, because it's supposed to be inspected, certified, and agreed upon BEFORE work commences.
A big MC company like Paria and they don't have SME's to say that the equipment was wholly unsuitable? Nah man!


sooo all the other major disasters that had big MC Global companies with FULL HSSE Dept couldn't have foreseen the dangers before said disasters took place?

Nah man!

BTW..Ched title renamed given that we're at the COE stage of all this.

Stay Violent and Abrasive.

Errr, thanks? BUT
Fake Rasta, my merely pointing out what are the standard, best practices of industry seems to have resulted in your drawers coming unmoored and self- twisting.
Deepwater Horizon, Piper Alpha etc were ALL the result of deliberate non-adherence to safety protocols.
There is a saying that HSE policies and procedures are written in BLOOD, so if you all want jackarsism to spill your own countrymen's blood when they need not, then that's fine. Your whataboutism is pitiful as much as it is useless. Maybe you should donate some stationery to the CoE, so the Bumblefacks that you are leaping to defend could actually start to determine what happened so it doesn't ever happen again.

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Re: Gulf of Paria Underwater Welders Deaths: Commision of Enquiry.

Postby sMASH » September 10th, 2022, 12:31 am

Well well well

I Bonx up a punkin vine family that was a welder in the lmcs crew fir that and previous jobs.


Paria had sheit planning and authorizations for the whole job.
And the isolation device left installed 3 times duration, the standard practice for its work life, until change out to a fresh device.



Nutting less than jail from ceo Come down.

They had sheit procedures, for all the experience in the country... They needed to have better official procedures for planning these high risk jobs.

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Postby De Dragon » September 10th, 2022, 11:47 am

sMASH wrote:Well well well

I Bonx up a punkin vine family that was a welder in the lmcs crew fir that and previous jobs.


Paria had sheit planning and authorizations for the whole job.
And the isolation device left installed 3 times duration, the standard practice for its work life, until change out to a fresh device.



Nutting less than jail from ceo Come down.

They had sheit procedures, for all the experience in the country... They needed to have better official procedures for planning these high risk jobs.

Doh beat up, dese tings happen to bigger, better MC companies with full HSSE Depts.than Paria :roll:

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Postby maj. tom » September 10th, 2022, 11:55 am

You know what's the worst thing about all this disaster and incompetence and breaking the industry rules, safety, protocols and standards? Is that everyone already knows the true final outcome of this gameshow: absolutely nothing.

Just like the Scott Drug report.
Just like the 1990 Coup.... for which they never even had held an enquiry.
Just like the Sabga Report.

And Trinidad has always been fine with that.

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Postby gastly369 » September 10th, 2022, 11:56 am

sMASH wrote:Well well well

I Bonx up a punkin vine family that was a welder in the lmcs crew fir that and previous jobs.


Paria had sheit planning and authorizations for the whole job.
And the isolation device left installed 3 times duration, the standard practice for its work life, until change out to a fresh device.



Nutting less than jail from ceo Come down.

They had sheit procedures, for all the experience in the country... They needed to have better official procedures for planning these high risk jobs.
Nothing gonna happen and it will be swept under the mat.... if your a AVid user of 2ner will know

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Postby sMASH » September 10th, 2022, 1:02 pm

this on par with piper alpha in its set ups. not so much the outcome but the incompetence that led to the whole thing.

could make a documentary on this, to show to future technical companies, what happens when u run a place worse than a parlour.

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Postby lancer_man » September 10th, 2022, 7:49 pm

sMASH wrote:this on par with piper alpha in its set ups. not so much the outcome but the incompetence that led to the whole thing.

could make a documentary on this, to show to future technical companies, what happens when u run a place worse than a parlour.


The difference is that a thorough investigation was commissioned into the Piper Alpha major accident that resulted in the Cullen Report and significant improvements to industry standards and general process safety management. It was probably the single most important tragedy in offshore operations in terms of the impact to industry HSE standards.

If a thorough investigation is not being done, we are missing an opportunity to improve by enshrining in legislation measures to prevent recurrence of this and other similar major accident hazards.

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Postby fallen_angel » September 10th, 2022, 10:55 pm

comparing this to piper alpha is just entertaining yourself. It was found that the guys that died were all suffering from a complex called RPDC… Retinal Pigmentation Dissimilarity Complex. It’s incurable, about 80% of the world have it but manage to lead ok lives. No one cares about people with that condition, not even other persons with RPDC

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Re: Gulf of Paria Underwater Welders Deaths: Commision of Enquiry.

Postby De Dragon » September 11th, 2022, 7:57 pm

lancer_man wrote:
sMASH wrote:this on par with piper alpha in its set ups. not so much the outcome but the incompetence that led to the whole thing.

could make a documentary on this, to show to future technical companies, what happens when u run a place worse than a parlour.


The difference is that a thorough investigation was commissioned into the Piper Alpha major accident that resulted in the Cullen Report and significant improvements to industry standards and general process safety management. It was probably the single most important tragedy in offshore operations in terms of the impact to industry HSE standards.

If a thorough investigation is not being done, we are missing an opportunity to improve by enshrining in legislation measures to prevent recurrence of this and other similar major accident hazards.

Nah, we should jes relax weself wit' "it does happen to oddah companies"

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Re: Gulf of Paria Underwater Welders Deaths: Commision of Enquiry.

Postby sMASH » September 12th, 2022, 2:23 pm

De Dragon wrote:
lancer_man wrote:
sMASH wrote:this on par with piper alpha in its set ups. not so much the outcome but the incompetence that led to the whole thing.

could make a documentary on this, to show to future technical companies, what happens when u run a place worse than a parlour.


The difference is that a thorough investigation was commissioned into the Piper Alpha major accident that resulted in the Cullen Report and significant improvements to industry standards and general process safety management. It was probably the single most important tragedy in offshore operations in terms of the impact to industry HSE standards.

If a thorough investigation is not being done, we are missing an opportunity to improve by enshrining in legislation measures to prevent recurrence of this and other similar major accident hazards.

Nah, we should jes relax weself wit' "it does happen to oddah companies"

because of that incident and others, paria has NO excuse for the way it conducts it business.
its as if they're running the place in 1940.

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Re: Gulf of Paria Underwater Welders Deaths: Commision of Enquiry.

Postby De Dragon » September 25th, 2022, 3:24 pm

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Postby pugboy » September 29th, 2022, 5:54 am

so whats the latest ?

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