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Everything you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby lighthammer » July 8th, 2010, 11:10 am

What's the first thing many truck-buyers do when they buy their truck? Buy HUGE rims, of course. Who here doesn't have some sort of oversized rim on their truck (I don't, not yet at least) or knows someone who does? Personally I'd go for performance over looks for when I buy my truck, but that's just me.


Now this sort of decision is an important one, as the wrong size rims with the wrong off-set for your truck will have negative effects on ride quality, handling, alignment, and increased wear & tear on your suspension & drivetrain.

Note that extensive negative offset can potentially cause increased steering wheel kick-back and place additional stresses on the vehicle's entire suspension.


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Did you know that incorrectly choosing the rims on your truck will decrease its fuel economy by up to 5%? Coupled with stiff-walled, low-profile tires with a much higher rolling resistance, and your overall mileage takes an even bigger hit. Not to mention harsher ride-quality, as your unsprung weight (the weight of the vehicle that's NOT supported by the shocks/springs - i.e. your wheels & tires) increases as well as the stiffer low-profile sidewalls being less yielding when you hit bumps. Translation: With more hard metal + a stiff, short sidewall between you and the road = you'll definitely feel each and every bump on the way to your destination.



But, once done correctly, choosing a larger rim + tire combo shouldn't be a hassle, nor should it affect your truck's performance adversely.




So, let's learn a bit about Wheels/Magrims!


Here's some info on RIM SPECIFICATIONS:

(Original site : http://www.wheelsnext.com/content/wheel_tech.html )
RIM MARKINGS
If you look inside almost any wheel you’ll find markings that provide you with information on the wheel. Typically, they’ve been marked on the rim and it would be marked something like “22x7JET38”. “22” represents the wheel diameter, and the “7” is the width of the wheel and is measured from the distance between the flanges that support the bead. The “J” represents the shape of the flange, and the “ET” is for the German term, einpress tief, which translates into offset. Lastly the “38”, represents the offset measurement.

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WHEEL (RIM) TYPES
Wheels can be broken down according to their cross-sectional shape. Passenger car tires usually have a drop-centric rim. Below are a few of the main types of rims.

Drop-Center Rim
These rims are used on passenger car tires, light truck tires, and the tubeless type of truck and bus tires.

Divided Rim
The divided rims are seen on light truck tires, industry vehicle tires, and agricultural vehicle tires.

Wide-Base, Flat-Base Rim
They are only used truck and bus tires (tube type)

Semi-Drop Center Rim
Used on light truck tires.

CENTERING
Hub centricity is one of the bigger elements that go into whether or not a wheel can fit on a car. Hub centric wheels have a hole at their center that fits closely over a round feature on the hub, which centers the wheel on the axis of the spindle, as well as bear the vertical weight of the vehicle. The bolts then only have to secure the wheel onto the hub and are loaded only in tension where they are strong. Factory wheels are all manufactured to fit their specific application exactly, and even some aftermarket wheels as well.

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Though that may be the case with some aftermarket wheels, the majority rely on centering rings. This means that the manufacture produces all the wheels to one size and then inserts a centering ring to allow the wheels to fit on car. This allows for easier inventory and is less costly. Centering rings are designed to fit snuggly in the wheels. Not every application will need hubcentric rings though. If you would like to inquire on which applications would necessitate the hubcentric rings please call one of the WheelsNEXT.com Wheel + Tire Experts.

OFFSET
Just because the wheel centers correctly doesn’t mean that it fits correctly. This means that the offset could be wrong. The offset is the location of the flat mounting surface of a wheel relative to the wheel’s centerline. A negative offset indicates that the mounting surface is toward the center of the car, and a positive offset that it is toward the outside of the car. It will appear that the wheel is pulled in toward the center. Offset will lead to more problems than just making the wheel appear to be sticking out of the fender. It can lead to rubbing problems when the suspension is compressed or the wheel is cut to turn. Offset also affects the steering geometry’s scrub radius, possibly leading to problems with the torque steer or the self-centering characteristics.

Offset can also affect the suspension’s motion ratio, which determines directly the effective spring and damper rates. In a heavily loaded vehicle, offset can potentially affect wheel bearing life. This problem though is seen more in trucks than in smaller cars. This is why using the proper offset wheels are essential.

Brake caliper clearance also comes into play when discussing offset. When choosing a set of wheels, it is important to make sure that the ones you choose do fit over the calipers. Spacers are available to alleviate this issue, but it is recommended to purchase a set of wheels that do cover the calipers and meet the offset specifications. You can be sure of this by contacting your wheel and brake manufacturers. Some aftermarket brake companies will provide you with a template of their brakes for you to check against your prospective wheels.



And here's another website that shows you how to measure the Bolt-Patterns, Backspacing/Offset, Brake Caliper clearance, Lug-Nut torque calculations.

Original source: https://www.rsracing.com/tech-wheel.html#backspace

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All very good information, and something worth considering when you decide to put larger, bling-ier rims on your pickup truck.
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Re: Everythin you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby monk_t » July 8th, 2010, 8:40 pm

this is the best explanation I have seen on this topic in a very long time...good post.

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Re: Everythin you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby Cooper » July 9th, 2010, 1:57 pm

X2!

well done lighthammer 8-)

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Re: Everything you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby civic minded » July 9th, 2010, 5:23 pm

Min. of Information - good job

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Re: Everything you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby lighthammer » July 9th, 2010, 5:34 pm

Lol cheers.

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Re: Everything you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby lighthammer » July 23rd, 2010, 5:49 am

Here is an interesting read for those who want to put huge rims/tires on their 4x4's.

http://www.4x4abc.com/4WD101/math.html

Basically, by putting larger-than-stock rims & tires on your 4x4, you're increasing the unsprung weight which stresses out the suspension and braking components.

Braking efficiency decreases due to the larger outward rotational force created by a larger spinning mass - your brakes have to work harder to stop your truck.

Acceleration & torque also takes a hit. Larger rotational forces are needed to push the vehicle along, because of the increased outer diameter mass.

As a rule of thumb you can expect to lose about 3.5% of torque/gear ratio for every inch of tire size increase.

Less torque = decrease in: off-road/climbing ability, load-pulling & towing capacity, manliness-factor.


Imagine this: if you were sitting on a Unicycle, which would be easier to pedal - a small diameter tire or a larger diameter tire?


Easiest & simplest solution - for every inch-increase in rim-diameter, you need to decrease the profile of the tire accordingly. As long as the overall diameter of the entire rim/tire setup doesn't change much from factory-spec, then your power/braking performance will be preserved.

Your suspension however will suffer due to less tire-sidewall being available to cushion the rims/shocks from traveling all year on uneven road surfaces (basically most of trinidad's roads until election time comes around).

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Re: Everything you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby ctrucks » August 7th, 2010, 7:42 am

Very good posts. For those wanting to add some style to their truck, this thread is very helpful. In my case, I will go for stock rims but buy new tires for my truck. I've seen some great trucks with really nice rims. That is why there is 2 kinds of truckers. One kind of people likes style than there is people, like me, that will buy mods, accessories and equipment for off-road driving. I don't have problems with those going for style, like I said, I've seen some amazing trucks,

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Re: Everything you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby 3stagevtec » August 7th, 2010, 3:54 pm

lighthammer wrote:Acceleration & torque also takes a hit. Larger rotational forces are needed to push the vehicle along, because of the increased outer diameter mass.

As a rule of thumb you can expect to lose about 3.5% of torque/gear ratio for every inch of tire size increase.

Less torque = decrease in: off-road/climbing ability, load-pulling & towing capacity, manliness-factor.


Does that mean I can outrun a Nav on 22"s?? :mrgreen:

Good info!

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Re: Everything you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby biggy82 » August 7th, 2010, 5:08 pm

3stagevtec wrote:
lighthammer wrote:Acceleration & torque also takes a hit. Larger rotational forces are needed to push the vehicle along, because of the increased outer diameter mass.

As a rule of thumb you can expect to lose about 3.5% of torque/gear ratio for every inch of tire size increase.

Less torque = decrease in: off-road/climbing ability, load-pulling & towing capacity, manliness-factor.


Does that mean I can outrun a Nav on 22"s?? :mrgreen:

Good info!

wanna try? :twisted:

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Re: Everything you need to know about RIMS for your truck.

Postby civic minded » August 7th, 2010, 5:45 pm

^^i will.... :twisted:

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