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speedfreak44 wrote:this event was well worth it....
ingalook wrote:My experience today...
[Backstory - read if you want]
In June I was in an accident where my ankle was cut severing 2 tendons, they had to be re-attached with surgery leaving me with crutches and a cast for 2 months. My recovery has been slow but steady, today was the first day I've worn shoes since the accident since my foot has been swollen (and still is to a lesser extent)
I've spent 2 days this week by my mechanic until late into the night (get some pressure from the wife for this) trying to get my car ready for this event, last night we finally seemed to get the wiring issues sorted out, so I was looking forward to a triumphant return to motorsport...
[end of Backstory]
On to today:
I got to do 2 practice runs, both in the 58sec mark, i then lined up for my 3rd run. I sat in my car for about 10 minutes (I know it was 10 minutes since i listened to the whole of "Freebird") then I got to the front of the line... the marshal signalled to us the practice runs were finished... now it would have been nice if they just walked up the line of cars and told us that we would not get to run... I looked across to the other driver on the line, he looked puzzled and annoyed.
"Oh well I'll better my time in qualifying" I thought to myself...
Briefing for qualifying delivered by Rawle (ah think)
-3 qualifying runs
-best run will class you
-Competitors have the option to bump themselves up one class after their first run
-For the shootout if you are called and do not show up you get a DQ
-Competitors are allowed to break the class time by 1 second but no more
My runs:
1st run - DNF I went around the roundabout the wrong way
2nd run - Sit on the starting line waiting for about 15 minutes for them to clean up parts of some guy gearbox... no biggee... Then I'm off, track seems slippery, I hit some gravel and go into a skid... it takes everything I have to keep the car from spinning, skid-countersteer, skid-counterster, skid-countersteer, skid-countersteer... must have been entertaining to watch... but not fast by any measure.... 63 secs
3rd run - Amir and I end up lining up side by side "Doh beat mih" he yells accross to me "I'll try" I yell back. Amir gets the jump on me at the start, he leaves me on the straight, but I notice he's slow around the roundabout and I figure out a better line. I look at my timeslip, I ACTUALLY WON!
My car (84) put down a 55.904
Amir (600) put down a 56.462
Since it was mentioned that there is a 1 second leeway I assume that based on my best time of the day 55.904 that I will be put into the 56-58 sec class, exactly where I want to be... SWEET!
The shootout starts, my car is the very FIRST CAR CALLED, I don't want a DQ so I jump in my car and rush to the start.
I'm up against a oldschool swift, I make easy work of him, I get the slip:
Car 84 (me) - 56.642
Car 240 - 60.687 WINNER
I ask the guy who handed me the slip what is going on, I knew that run was clean, he says I won but the have some issue with the timing equipment...
Then I notice a big nasty word on my slip "BREAKOUT"
i go to the tent to inquire as to what is going on....
"What is this about?" I ask
"You more than a second under class time, this class is 58-60 secs" they reply
"How allyuh could put me in that class, I just run a 55.9????" I ask
"Yuh have dat slip?" they ask
I run to my car to get m slip... "here" I give them the slip... I look at their records and notice that the don't seem to have that time anywhere
"But you running 58s whole day" They reply
"But that was in PRACTICE" I point out
"we use an average... we can't make an exception for you" they reply
"We don't have time for this" another marshal adds
I visualise a soldier yelling "UDFR"
I stand there looking pissed off and ask again and again but the replies are much the same... my day of racing is over
My issues are this:
1. In which type of racing are you classed based on your AVERAGE TIME???
2. What is the point of qualifying if you are factoring in my PRACTICE times?
Seriously, I can't take this kinda stupidness, I would not have minded if I was put in a higher class and get a proper cutarse, or I do crap and DNF but to lose like this was retarded.
I was told that I should have come to the tent after my first run and requested a bump in to to 56-58 bracket... my first run was a DNF... how I supposed to guess where to put my car?
Is it my job to class my car or the officials?
We don't need qualifying then, is better we just come and tell allyuh what class we want to be in.
You guys put me in the 58-60 bracket, then you put Amir, (who I beat) in the 54-56 bracket... where allyuh learn to do maths?
To make matters worse the classes are called as "GT-3, GT-4" etc.... now that might sound cool like different editions of Gran Tourismo and all but both the competitors and the spectators have no idea what those numbers mean in terms of time bracket, the mic was used repeatedly by some freshwater yankee to harass Jameer Ali but no effort was made to actually educate us on what the classes meant...
If allyuh had too many cars and didn't need my $150 allyuh coulda just say so... I woulda just chill out home and mark some exam papers...
End of rant...
Porn Star wrote:Paparazzi wuk ah obeah on meh cyar .
I am sorry to those of you that had problems. Please bring them up with rawle mahabir and I am sure things will be better organized for the next event.
I had a great day. Posted the fastest time for the day with a 50.8 and I was trying to get into 49's but unfortunately my engine went kaboom.
Saltydog, sorry about your turbo. I was really looking forward to racing against you. And yes, you did slaughter me on the launch.
Banzai, please delete self.
Ignis, I hear your family had you on suicide watch all night.
A172 wrote:damn@ Evo
drifting guys were entertaining
BANzai Rastafarai wrote:Me too! when it came t oth competition runs i ran once against the Lady driven civic, collect meh licks but was looking forward to race another car in my bracket with a chance to at least get to the "semis'" ..thias why i did park meh car wheh i did park it (plus the evo driver i was sharing meh tent with park he car in twiss up position). So yeah, for those that are battling for position, i guess the system needs some teething out still...or meh ole fart brain mis understood the competition rules....
But I didnt enter the event to compete for position as I realized apart from Venus Miller in the Altezza (ah next woman that beat meh) i had the on stock rims and tyres. I entered it just to have fun....to test some limits with the car on a gravel surface (LYR doh really have that), eat some curry duck and collect "we bringing the Dass Funeral Home Hearse fuh yuh" torks whole day in an evo filled tent.
One suggestion though. If possible...post up the 10 best reaction times for the day Uncle Rawle...it was a nice n close fight...i think my best was a .521
And yes...before the rest ah dem cone in d ched...ah collect licks from THREE woman yesterday.. .Venus, Hannah Morris, and a NOOB in a Civic.....but it was great times....i would urge ANYONE to just come out and participate....dont push yuh car beyond what you know may break it...thats what i did....and this morning meh car back to "meeting with the PS of the ministry" mode...bounce one start and gorne..
BTW...Paparazzi.....heheheheheeheee....yuh have a OMEN jed!!!!......
looking forward to 2012.
chris1388 wrote:If you guys want to stay with this classification system then here are some suggestions:
1.) When classing the cars, let everyone get a large number of free runs/practice/qualifying runs in the morning session.
2.) Analyse everyone's times and class cars on their FASTEST run ONLY......NOT an average of fast and slow runs.
3.) I agree with the earlier comment, by the time we reach to the knockout rounds you are basically pairing the fastest of cars against each other in each class....you no longer have to worry about the slower cars because at this point they will be eliminated in any case. Scrap the bracket thing and make the knockout an all out race to the box...allow drivers to push even harder to beat the other man but retain all other penalties such as cutting the course, cone penalty, hitting barriers etc.
If someone was sandbagging and holding back I doubt they would reach to the knockout in their specific bracket...they would have broken out earlier and gotten eliminated before that.
With the suggestions I have made about you can class the car on the fastest time so drivers no longer have to complain of being put in too slow a class. That being said, consistency is the name of the game when going this route. If you put down a miracle run once then can't replicate that time....well....be prepared to get blows all day in the faster class, simple as that. If you want to win you have to be consistent....that will separate the good drivers from the drivers that just have good cars.
I think if we go this way, the overall winner at the end of the day in each class will truly be the guys that deserved it because they would have been fast, consistent and disciplined.
Rawle...please consider.
One last thing....we have done this a few times now....by now we know the limits of times competitors do on the course i.e the slowest times and the fastest times. You all need to come up with the classes BEFORE hand and publish this so that it is known by all the particular bracket limit of that class. This way we the competitors will know for example.....GT2 is from 58-60seconds....so on the day now when you hear you in GT2 we know what the limit is for that class already so that we know how close our qualifying time was to potentially breaking the bracket.
Team Loco wrote:chris1388 wrote:.............
Rawle...please consider.
One last thing....we have done this a few times now....by now we know the limits of times competitors do on the course i.e the slowest times and the fastest times. You all need to come up with the classes BEFORE hand and publish this so that it is known by all the particular bracket limit of that class. This way we the competitors will know for example.....GT2 is from 58-60seconds....so on the day now when you hear you in GT2 we know what the limit is for that class already so that we know how close our qualifying time was to potentially breaking the bracket.
i second this. i know it was mentioned in the briefing that competitors would know their classes before they would run officially. this did not happen.
X2 wrote:Team Loco wrote:chris1388 wrote:.............
Rawle...please consider.
One last thing....we have done this a few times now....by now we know the limits of times competitors do on the course i.e the slowest times and the fastest times. You all need to come up with the classes BEFORE hand and publish this so that it is known by all the particular bracket limit of that class. This way we the competitors will know for example.....GT2 is from 58-60seconds....so on the day now when you hear you in GT2 we know what the limit is for that class already so that we know how close our qualifying time was to potentially breaking the bracket.
i second this. i know it was mentioned in the briefing that competitors would know their classes before they would run officially. this did not happen.
Might be difficult to do at the briefing unless the course is laid out exactly the same. You will notice each of the past events is slightly different... with people's times varing by more than a second from one event to another. For instance, my fastest in the civic yesterday was 53.4, while it was able to do 52's in the previous event. So I don't think they can pre set the class times just yet.. Imagine, a stock rav 4 took GT1 with an average lap time of 60 seconds... there is no guarantee that next event, the GT1 class will be full of 60 second cars. Maybe set the slowest times as the basis for GT1 and set each class a full second or 1.5sec faster each class up.
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