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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Coronavirus vaccines work. But this statistical illusion makes people think they don’t.
In Israel for a time, more vaccinated people were hospitalized for covid-19 than unvaccinated people. There’s no reason to worry.
While there is other evidence that the vaccines’ protection against infection (not severe illness) declines over time — and also some evidence that booster shots work — we shouldn’t be overly concerned about the Israeli hospitalization statistics. The explanation involves a famous old statistical curveball called “Simpson’s paradox”.
Simpson’s paradox is a warning that the whole of the data often looks weirdly different than the sum of its parts. In the case of Israel [and perhaps the UK]— as a number of epidemiologists and other scholars have pointed out — what explains the surprising hospitalization figures is largely the relative ages of vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... s-paradox/
hover11 wrote:What amazes me is how easily people will sign over liability that is scaryeitech wrote:Sometimes I wonder what is the non disclosure agreement the government makes with the vaccine suppliers in the interest of national health that is so secretive. The cost, the effects, promised contracts? You already signing a waiver for the shot…
I mean people in general, how quickly we are able to give up any form of recompense should any future harm occur due to our present choiceKenjo wrote:hover11 wrote:What amazes me is how easily people will sign over liability that is scaryeitech wrote:Sometimes I wonder what is the non disclosure agreement the government makes with the vaccine suppliers in the interest of national health that is so secretive. The cost, the effects, promised contracts? You already signing a waiver for the shot…
When you say ‘ people ‘ do you mean exclusively Trinidad &tobago citizens or persons worldwide who took the vaccine ?
hover11 wrote:The same man that talking about vaccines every day and safe zones had to quarantine twice....that is all
RBphoto wrote:Any of you all experience the effects of this glorious vaccine? 8 days of fever, body aches and feeling weak and drowsy for nearly two weeks after. (From the AZ vaccine). Literally weakens your immune system in that time. And you need to take that shot twice. Sure.. everybody should be running to take that? Sinopharm has almost no side effects... but is a sheit vaccine anyway so where is the pull factor to take these?
RBphoto wrote:Any of you all experience the effects of this glorious vaccine? 8 days of fever, body aches and feeling weak and drowsy for nearly two weeks after. (From the AZ vaccine). Literally weakens your immune system in that time. And you need to take that shot twice. Sure.. everybody should be running to take that? Sinopharm has almost no side effects... but is a sheit vaccine anyway so where is the pull factor to take these?
redmanjp wrote:RB u sure u didn't happen to get covid d same time? Cuz fever usually last 1 or 2 days not 8 days and the fatigue definitely not 2 weeks.
Take a test.
De Dragon wrote:RBphoto wrote:Any of you all experience the effects of this glorious vaccine? 8 days of fever, body aches and feeling weak and drowsy for nearly two weeks after. (From the AZ vaccine). Literally weakens your immune system in that time. And you need to take that shot twice. Sure.. everybody should be running to take that? Sinopharm has almost no side effects... but is a sheit vaccine anyway so where is the pull factor to take these?
No, and I'm not that special, I'm sure there are millions like me who had zero side effects save for some injection site pain.
Btw, "dem woulda dead anyway" is a morally bankrupt lazy view.
RBphoto wrote:De Dragon wrote:RBphoto wrote:Any of you all experience the effects of this glorious vaccine? 8 days of fever, body aches and feeling weak and drowsy for nearly two weeks after. (From the AZ vaccine). Literally weakens your immune system in that time. And you need to take that shot twice. Sure.. everybody should be running to take that? Sinopharm has almost no side effects... but is a sheit vaccine anyway so where is the pull factor to take these?
No, and I'm not that special, I'm sure there are millions like me who had zero side effects save for some injection site pain.
Btw, "dem woulda dead anyway" is a morally bankrupt lazy view.
Um... but they deading anyway... so... my view is irrelevant. You want to trust the science or not?
RBphoto wrote:redmanjp wrote:RB u sure u didn't happen to get covid d same time? Cuz fever usually last 1 or 2 days not 8 days and the fatigue definitely not 2 weeks.
Take a test.
I kinda old and fat, which was the motivation for me to take the vaccine despite my misgivings. Also my brother who is 10 years younger than me and actually fit was knocked out for about 4 days by AZ, so who knows... probably genetic. I wanted to wait for the more effective vaccine rather than take Sinopharm and mamaguy myself that I am protected. If that makes me an anti vaxer.. well sheit.
matr1x wrote:What happens if you had not effect, or measured effect after the vaccine?
That is normal.Your body is learning to fight an intruder.There may be recurring low fevers and such.Take some panadol and a multivitamin.RBphoto wrote:Any of you all experience the effects of this glorious vaccine? 8 days of fever, body aches and feeling weak and drowsy for nearly two weeks after. (From the AZ vaccine). Literally weakens your immune system in that time. And you need to take that shot twice. Sure.. everybody should be running to take that? Sinopharm has almost no side effects... but is a sheit vaccine anyway so where is the pull factor to take these?
hover11 wrote:Aaron ,aaron17 wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:It is being reportedRBphoto wrote:If the vaccines are so safe, why are deaths and vaccine injuries not being reported?
Take a look at the CDC's report on adverse vaccine side effects here
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... vents.html
Anaphylaxis - 5 people per million people
Thrombosis - 3 out of 1 million doses with J&J and 2 out of 367 million doses of mRNA vaccines
Death - 0.002%
There is an entire system setup for reporting adverse effects called (VAERS) Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensur ... index.htmlNo deaths due to Covid vaccines have been reported by the medical fraternity here in T&T so far.RBphoto wrote:It may be a small number, but none?Doctors and medical tests confirmed it was due to the vaccine?RBphoto wrote:I personally know of the death of one person.Check the link above and below. Side effects (usually mild) lasting a few days to a couple weeks are not uncommon.RBphoto wrote:I had high fever after taking the vaccine and had complications due to weak immune response and terrible allergies after taking it.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/ensur ... index.htmlNo vaccine is 100% safe or 100% effective. Not Polio, not MMR, not Flu, not yellow fever. Efficacy and effectiveness vary for every vaccine including the Covid-19 vaccine.RBphoto wrote:It is not 100% safe.It's a NOVEL coronavirus. Novel means new and medical professionals and epidemiologists are still learning about it and the variants. Delta showed up after and is 2-4x more contagious than the original Wuhan strain.RBphoto wrote:There are no long term trials on these drugs.Many people worldwide have taken those vaccines. We never had a SARS outbreak locally of this scale. We did have Zika and many people take the Flu vaccine locally. To travel to Jamaica from Trinidad you must take a yellow fever vaccine.RBphoto wrote:Do any of you take your SARS vaccine? H1N1? Zika? Your seasonal Influenza?In T&T?RBphoto wrote:remember when those were coming to wipe out society?Vaccines work - that's what happened to them.RBphoto wrote:What happened to them?We do not have Covid vaccine mandates in T&T. You still have a choice to take the vaccine or not, however there are precautions that businesses, schools and airlines take to ensure the safety of everyone using their service or travelling and that may include being required to be vaccinated or show a recent negative test.RBphoto wrote:There is every good reason our freedoms must not be hampered by our choice to take the vaccine or not.Where is this happening?RBphoto wrote:Go ahead and trust a government that does not follow any scientific data in their policies.
RBphoto wrote:
There are no long term trials on these drugs.
Duane: 'It's a NOVEL coronavirus. Novel means new and medical professionals and epidemiologists are still learning about it and the variants. Delta showed up after and is 2-4x more contagious than the original Wuhan strain.'
So the answer is we do not know? since it is new?
And do you think "time' is a factor for effects to show up?
Also this vaccination is considered as a worldwide trial? That's what ppl are telling me since it is new as we are still learning about this virus.
To answer your questions they don't know, their answer will be hey at least you didn't die from covid not knowing the kind of life you may have 3 to 5 years down the line. The fact is nobody knows, what will happen to the vaxxed , only time will tell, my question has and will always remain if the unvaccinated are wrong then they can always take the vaccine but what if the vaccinated ppl are wrong , what is their plan B?
ScHoolboySoloQ wrote:RBphoto wrote:Any of you all experience the effects of this glorious vaccine? 8 days of fever, body aches and feeling weak and drowsy for nearly two weeks after. (From the AZ vaccine). Literally weakens your immune system in that time. And you need to take that shot twice. Sure.. everybody should be running to take that? Sinopharm has almost no side effects... but is a sheit vaccine anyway so where is the pull factor to take these?
Sinopharm has no side effects because it does not work. I have a few doctor friends who took the covid serology test after taking the Sinopharm 2nd dose. There was no increase in covid antibodies. A few that took the AZ and Pfizer had increased covid antibodies. So expect some of those symptoms you listed from an AZ vaccine.
adnj wrote:ScHoolboySoloQ wrote:RBphoto wrote:Any of you all experience the effects of this glorious vaccine? 8 days of fever, body aches and feeling weak and drowsy for nearly two weeks after. (From the AZ vaccine). Literally weakens your immune system in that time. And you need to take that shot twice. Sure.. everybody should be running to take that? Sinopharm has almost no side effects... but is a sheit vaccine anyway so where is the pull factor to take these?
Sinopharm has no side effects because it does not work. I have a few doctor friends who took the covid serology test after taking the Sinopharm 2nd dose. There was no increase in covid antibodies. A few that took the AZ and Pfizer had increased covid antibodies. So expect some of those symptoms you listed from an AZ vaccine.
ScHoolboySoloQ wrote:adnj wrote:ScHoolboySoloQ wrote:RBphoto wrote:Any of you all experience the effects of this glorious vaccine? 8 days of fever, body aches and feeling weak and drowsy for nearly two weeks after. (From the AZ vaccine). Literally weakens your immune system in that time. And you need to take that shot twice. Sure.. everybody should be running to take that? Sinopharm has almost no side effects... but is a sheit vaccine anyway so where is the pull factor to take these?
Sinopharm has no side effects because it does not work. I have a few doctor friends who took the covid serology test after taking the Sinopharm 2nd dose. There was no increase in covid antibodies. A few that took the AZ and Pfizer had increased covid antibodies. So expect some of those symptoms you listed from an AZ vaccine.
Always a fight down thing. What I supposed to say if Sinopharm wasn't effective? The rest did what they was supposed to do based on a legit test that hospitals do to count antibodies.
I took the Pfizer last week. It was just a mild pain in the injection site that went away after 2 days.