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Redress10 wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:Redress10 wrote:All those schools are only better because their financial status allow them to be better. Those schools are not located in the developing world. They are located in the wealthiest nation on the planet. Harvard is also better than 99.9 percent of the universities on the planet. This includes universities in the UK, Germany,Eu, Singapore, Japan etc. Why would I compare a pipsqueek such as Uwi to Harvard? I would compare Harvard to Oxbridge, McGills of the world and not Uwi.
Harvard's endowment fund is 40 billion usd. That's about 280 billion tt dollars. It's literally chalk and cheese to even compare the two.
You are assuming that a Harvard grad and a UWI grad are ever in the same conversation or recruitment pool. Most harvard grads etc are directly recruited so they never need to be in a pile of resumes or even if they're in a pile then they are in a pile of similar gradutes.
You all are seriously downplaying just how influential those universities are. UWI could never be compared or even be in the same topic of conversation as them. It's not fair on UWI.
Dude, no one cares about the financial status of whatever when applying to a school.
If someone wants a better life/better job...they're going to apply to a better school.
There are better schools in the world. Deal with it.
Clearly you don't know how to select a university. People literally check the financial status of a school before applying.
Again, a person applying to Harvard and UWI are two completely different types of people. Can't compare both.
wtf wrote:Let's ask a different question.
Which institution produces the largest amount of graduates each year that ketch their azz to get a job UWI or UTT?
wtf wrote:Let's ask a different question.
Which institution produces the largest amount of graduates each year that ketch their azz to get a job UWI or UTT?
Redress10 wrote:I am saying that they can't be compared because they simply don't serve the same purpose. You're better off comparing Harvard to the best Universities in the developed countries and leave UWI out of that comparison.
UWI doesn't exist to do what Harvard does. Harvard educates some of the wealthiest people on the planet. Uwi exist to educate people in a region who simply wouldn't be able to afford tertiary education otherwise. UWI curriculum ia tied into the country's and region's economic, social and political development.
For you to still be trying to compare the two is assinine and these rankings are of no use to UWI. UWI will never have international appeal or prestige because it's simply not capable of being an international university. So it should simply focus on improving its product and services to the people of the region which is what it was created specifically to do.
No one anywhere in the world sees a UWI brochure and think I want to go there and study. They do that for unis in UK/US/Canada etc so these rankings are mainly for those universities in those countries to be able to sell themselves to prospective students by claiming that they are "better" via rankings. So Oxford can woo ppl from Harvard by claiming to be number 1 whilst Harvard is number 2 and Yale is able to sell their location and California at number 8 in place of a higher ranked university that may not have the same location perks.
Anyone who is looking at attending "500-600" ranked UWI doesn't have better options to go to. That's the basic and honest truth. So it makes little sense to compare UWI to the Yales Harvards etc of the world. They exist in different spheres of the world. If you don't understand that then I don't know what to say again.
alfa wrote:In terms of Harvard or Cambridge vs uwi what's the difference? I get in terms of science and technology they have equipment we can never dream of but let's say in terms of doing an MBA or liberal arts, isn't it the same thing you'll be learning in both schools, same books etc? And with the world going online where everyone is in their homes learning does it make less difference what school you're actually affiliated to because your won't be physically attending anyway? Curious to hear the University folks opinion
Redress10 wrote:
For me it comes like comparing a nuclear scientist educated in North Korea and a nuclear scientist educated at Harvard. They both know everything they need to know about nuclear reaction to do their jobs efficiently. We are forgetting that universities are about access. The US is the wealthiest and most developed nation on the planet. Some of the smallest colleges/universities will have more resources than all of the UWI campuses combined.
If you were to take the average 6 million americans and compare them to the 6 million english speaking caribbean population you would find that the americans are probably better off economically. This economic access can't be ignored when it comes to building institutions of high value and reputation. A quick glance of where caribbean people live in places such as NY would direct you to places such as Flatbush, Brooklyn and Queens etc. These places are not exactly thriving economically and alot of low income people live there.
The GDP of Massachuesettes where Harvard, MIT etc are located is 500 billion usd. This for a population of 7 million people. Our population of 1.3 million people have a GDP of about 26 billion usd. Brooklyn with a population of 2.5 million people have a GDP of little over 91 billion usd. So people in Brooklyn are theoretically better of economically than people in Trinidad. So Brooklyn College will be better funded than UWI etc.
Now imagine that people in Massachusettes are better off than people in Brooklyn will even begin to imagine and this is where institutions such as Harvard and MIT are located and mainly funded from. Our wealthiest people are nothing more than a drop in a bucket in those states. Those people are beyond wealthy and those institutions were never designed with people such as caribbean people in mind when they were created. Be very grateful for what you have available to you. Education access isna privilege that alot of trinis take for granted.
Dohplaydat wrote:UWI Vs Cambridge is like comparing a junior sec Vs Pres. What's the difference you ask? Ent they doing the same work? Ent a man who get 8 ones in a junior sec just as bright as the one who went Pres? Yes.
The difference lies in the quality of students, lecturers....but most importantly it's the standards you'll be held too.
I went UWI and I went University of Manchester for my MSc.
The difference (keep in mind I started the same MSc in UWI but dropped out when my funding came through for Manchester) was chalk and cheese.
The standards and what was expected of us in Manchester was SIGNIFICANTLY different and far more advanced than any UWI student could dream off
Dohplaydat wrote:UWI Vs Cambridge is like comparing a junior sec Vs Pres. What's the difference you ask? Ent they doing the same work? Ent a man who get 8 ones in a junior sec just as bright as the one who went Pres? Yes.
The difference lies in the quality of students, lecturers....but most importantly it's the standards you'll be held too.
I went UWI and I went University of Manchester for my MSc.
The difference (keep in mind I started the same MSc in UWI but dropped out when my funding came through for Manchester) was chalk and cheese.
The standards and what was expected of us in Manchester was SIGNIFICANTLY different and far more advanced than any UWI student could dream off
ProtonPowder wrote:I feel like people banging 2 different drums in this thread.
Yes we know UWI is a backwater, globally insignificant institution. It is unfair to compare it to anything considered world class.
It is however one of the very few viable options that the absolute majority of T&T nationals have. If you arent awarded a scholarship by the foreign university, or a T&T open scholarship, or can afford it because of foreign dual citizenship or a part of a family with means, UWI is what you do.
UWI is, unlike what some have said, not a complete cesspool, despite its many flaws. Some of the students and faculty make it look like a cesspool. A lot of the vocal members early in the thread likely have no tertiary education whatsoever, and rely on rumshop talk and innate hatred of anything trinidad to form an opinion of UWI.
Either way, this study said that UWI is in the top 1.5% of unis worldwide.
Cool.
SuperiorMan wrote:ProtonPowder wrote:I feel like people banging 2 different drums in this thread.
Yes we know UWI is a backwater, globally insignificant institution. It is unfair to compare it to anything considered world class.
It is however one of the very few viable options that the absolute majority of T&T nationals have. If you arent awarded a scholarship by the foreign university, or a T&T open scholarship, or can afford it because of foreign dual citizenship or a part of a family with means, UWI is what you do.
UWI is, unlike what some have said, not a complete cesspool, despite its many flaws. Some of the students and faculty make it look like a cesspool. A lot of the vocal members early in the thread likely have no tertiary education whatsoever, and rely on rumshop talk and innate hatred of anything trinidad to form an opinion of UWI.
Either way, this study said that UWI is in the top 1.5% of unis worldwide.
Cool.
If you actually read the thread then you would know that the 1.5% statistic is misleading. It seems like you have a UWI education. Dummy.
I'm also willing to bet everyone who acknowledged this fact had an education at a better institution most likely abroad judging from the responses.
ProtonPowder wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:ProtonPowder wrote:I feel like people banging 2 different drums in this thread.
Yes we know UWI is a backwater, globally insignificant institution. It is unfair to compare it to anything considered world class.
It is however one of the very few viable options that the absolute majority of T&T nationals have. If you arent awarded a scholarship by the foreign university, or a T&T open scholarship, or can afford it because of foreign dual citizenship or a part of a family with means, UWI is what you do.
UWI is, unlike what some have said, not a complete cesspool, despite its many flaws. Some of the students and faculty make it look like a cesspool. A lot of the vocal members early in the thread likely have no tertiary education whatsoever, and rely on rumshop talk and innate hatred of anything trinidad to form an opinion of UWI.
Either way, this study said that UWI is in the top 1.5% of unis worldwide.
Cool.
If you actually read the thread then you would know that the 1.5% statistic is misleading. It seems like you have a UWI education. Dummy.
I'm also willing to bet everyone who acknowledged this fact had an education at a better institution most likely abroad judging from the responses.
I did read it, why are you so angry? You engage in some very Rowley and Al Rawi-esque tactics there with your dotish 'right thinking citizens argument'
I bet you dont have an education at all.
The_Honourable wrote:Dohplaydat wrote:That is utter bs UWI, how did they arrive at that because on the university rankings site UWI is ranked 400-500 in the world out of 2112 universities.
That puts them a in the top 20% which is more realistic.
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Exactly what I saw...
Really want to know where that 1.5% came from.
wtf wrote:You sounding like you a soci graduate.Hwells wrote:u mean a place where i went to 1 class for a course for the whole semester, do some past papers the week before exams and pull out a 97 is the top 1.5% in the world.
the best uwi students is who have the most 'drafts' or kiss ass to these lecturers them
Two poems and you graduating...
FrankChag wrote:wtf wrote:You sounding like you a soci graduate.Hwells wrote:u mean a place where i went to 1 class for a course for the whole semester, do some past papers the week before exams and pull out a 97 is the top 1.5% in the world.
the best uwi students is who have the most 'drafts' or kiss ass to these lecturers them
Two poems and you graduating...
Poems is humanities bruh... in socsci we used to write 2 essays for 60 marks, lol.
Si soy asi,,, me da lo mismo
Some of the loudest-mouth ppl in this thread can't even get into UWI to buy KFC, muchless..
FrankChag wrote:wtf wrote:You sounding like you a soci graduate.Hwells wrote:u mean a place where i went to 1 class for a course for the whole semester, do some past papers the week before exams and pull out a 97 is the top 1.5% in the world.
the best uwi students is who have the most 'drafts' or kiss ass to these lecturers them
Two poems and you graduating...
Poems is humanities bruh... in socsci we used to write 2 essays for 60 marks, lol.
Si soy asi,,, me da lo mismo
Some of the loudest-mouth ppl in this thread can't even get into UWI to buy KFC, muchless..
SuperiorMan wrote:FrankChag wrote:wtf wrote:You sounding like you a soci graduate.Hwells wrote:u mean a place where i went to 1 class for a course for the whole semester, do some past papers the week before exams and pull out a 97 is the top 1.5% in the world.
the best uwi students is who have the most 'drafts' or kiss ass to these lecturers them
Two poems and you graduating...
Poems is humanities bruh... in socsci we used to write 2 essays for 60 marks, lol.
Si soy asi,,, me da lo mismo
Some of the loudest-mouth ppl in this thread can't even get into UWI to buy KFC, muchless..
They probably went to better schools. Whatever makes you feel better Frank.
FrankChag wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:FrankChag wrote:wtf wrote:You sounding like you a soci graduate.Hwells wrote:u mean a place where i went to 1 class for a course for the whole semester, do some past papers the week before exams and pull out a 97 is the top 1.5% in the world.
the best uwi students is who have the most 'drafts' or kiss ass to these lecturers them
Two poems and you graduating...
Poems is humanities bruh... in socsci we used to write 2 essays for 60 marks, lol.
Si soy asi,,, me da lo mismo
Some of the loudest-mouth ppl in this thread can't even get into UWI to buy KFC, muchless..
They probably went to better schools. Whatever makes you feel better Frank.
timelapse wrote:I remember UWI students coasting on my UoL degree.They shoulda focus on basic math instead
Also remember the running gag we had.If we had to go on UWI campus for anything " Don't forget your hazmat suit, because STDS airborne in there"
SuperiorMan wrote:FrankChag wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:FrankChag wrote:wtf wrote:You sounding like you a soci graduate.Hwells wrote:u mean a place where i went to 1 class for a course for the whole semester, do some past papers the week before exams and pull out a 97 is the top 1.5% in the world.
the best uwi students is who have the most 'drafts' or kiss ass to these lecturers them
Two poems and you graduating...
Poems is humanities bruh... in socsci we used to write 2 essays for 60 marks, lol.
Si soy asi,,, me da lo mismo
Some of the loudest-mouth ppl in this thread can't even get into UWI to buy KFC, muchless..
They probably went to better schools. Whatever makes you feel better Frank.
Hello again Frank,
Yes it's true. If you were referring to me, I rejected UWI for University of Florida.
FrankChag wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:FrankChag wrote:SuperiorMan wrote:FrankChag wrote:wtf wrote:You sounding like you a soci graduate.Hwells wrote:u mean a place where i went to 1 class for a course for the whole semester, do some past papers the week before exams and pull out a 97 is the top 1.5% in the world.
the best uwi students is who have the most 'drafts' or kiss ass to these lecturers them
Two poems and you graduating...
Poems is humanities bruh... in socsci we used to write 2 essays for 60 marks, lol.
Si soy asi,,, me da lo mismo
Some of the loudest-mouth ppl in this thread can't even get into UWI to buy KFC, muchless..
They probably went to better schools. Whatever makes you feel better Frank.
Hello again Frank,
Yes it's true. If you were referring to me, I rejected UWI for University of Florida.
Ah, I understand; and i froze my rear-end off where I was, post-grad. [/nodoxing]
But you see I wouldn't rubbish Florida because I went to a better uni than you. It doesn't have to be zero-sum. So it stands to reason that the folks downing the UWI (instead of trying to fix it), carrying some serious baggage, yes?
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