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turbohead wrote:if them eh have license for rum then close the flecking bar and allow the event. i really made a good choice, i stayed and watched meh f1...
DVSTT wrote:Just watched the CNC3 news report on the event. Powell said he averaged over 130mph :O. Imagine what those WRC cars were clocking!
Aaron 2NR wrote:my personal fav shot of RT13
rcadiz wrote:Ok, well as i can see the rumour mill has started and although i welcome all the opinions and feedback from everyone let's get a few things cleared up.
Firstly the TTRC will be making a full statement when we can get all the facts. i have just spent the last 3 hours in Marabella Police Station and we have still not gotten the full story. Let's go with what we know. The Police shut the event down due to an issue with the strength and bar license. From what we have been told there were a few courses of action that could have taken place:
- Shut the bar down and let the event continue - under normal circumstances
- Shut the event down if the safety of the event is compromised and there is an obvious lack of resources in which to deal with problems that may arise - also under normal circumstances.
- Ask no questions, walk in shut down walk out - slightly harsh course of action given the nature of the event (i.e sporting event, not a concert with bad language from the artiste and violent patrons)
We have been hosting events with an almost perfect safety record for a number of years and today there were very few safety concerns - further to that the racing hadn't even started as yet to even allow for a safety concern to become apparent. On the note of the public toilet, you may have seen that our sponsored toilets - 15 scattered around the venue were all light brown and from JQ and the one being referred to was in fact a UDECOTT rented Toilet which was locked and not part of our setup and behind a concrete culvert (just to clarify). It was also in an area requiring the complete slow down of the car due to the tight turn (after the pic of course)
No fights, no violence, a crowd made up of mostly families and friends liming on the outskirts does not suggest a risk of crowd or drunk partygoers who need to be dealt with. With respect to the bar license, we have never had an issue like this in the years of Rally Trinidad and i would like to assure all who are wondering that it was not an oversight nor forgetting. In fact the bar license was applied for both Friday and Sunday night at the same time. Rather there was a misunderstanding which we are looking into. The fact is that the Police were well within their right to allow the event to continue, but shut the whole event down without so much as options being considered.
6 jeeps of riot gear heavily armed Police were sent in to deal with a 20x20 tented bar (staff of 5) in a crowd of mostly people simply wanting to enjoy the afternoon of racing. They arrived and jumped out of the vehicles loading weapons like if it was a bank heist. If you don't think that is excessive then it's entirely your opinion but i think most would agree.
On the door charge. I think all would agree that the TTRC has began to offer more to our patrons with the event infrastructure and logistics (i.e. National Stadium on Friday night) and we simply charge a small fee to help offset the cost. Anyone who has experience with events would know the cost of stage, lighting, sound, fencing, signage etc etc. Furthermore a $100 per carload (roughly $20 per head) is in no way a 'big money ting' as some would say. How many $20-$40 events by comparison do issue receipts? Refunding was not possible today but that does not mean that we do not intend to make it up somehow.
What we can say however is that we will be getting to the bottom of what can be described as an excessive decision by the TTPS, and looking ahead we will be planning an event with the same level of logistics with no door charge and do our best to make amends to the spectators that came out and supported us in somewhat vain.
There will be critics but i think they are limited. We have a great sport and an even greater spectator base who i think will understand that we were powerless to change the course of events today but can only promise to make it up.
On the stages today being cancelled. We were met with 3 large loads of garbage in 'Jack and Jill while setting up this morning (probably dumped last night) and ran late trying to get equipment to move it. We needed to get the cars to Tarouba and the only decision that we had was to cancel the stages. If we put any of you in the same situation i am sure the result would be the same. Disappointing yes but an unavoidable logistical issue.
To close we would like everyone to be reassured that we will bounce back from this and we will make it up to everyone. We can only ask for your understanding.
Aaron 2NR wrote:SR wrote:So rollin stock shows his true colors.....and runs off to personal attacks
nothing new. when ppl cant find validity in their statements and cannot support a point, they get emo and beat up
gas brainz wrote:rcadiz wrote:Ok, well as i can see the rumour mill has started and although i welcome all the opinions and feedback from everyone let's get a few things cleared up.
Firstly the TTRC will be making a full statement when we can get all the facts. i have just spent the last 3 hours in Marabella Police Station and we have still not gotten the full story. Let's go with what we know. The Police shut the event down due to an issue with the strength and bar license. From what we have been told there were a few courses of action that could have taken place:
- Shut the bar down and let the event continue - under normal circumstances
- Shut the event down if the safety of the event is compromised and there is an obvious lack of resources in which to deal with problems that may arise - also under normal circumstances.
- Ask no questions, walk in shut down walk out - slightly harsh course of action given the nature of the event (i.e sporting event, not a concert with bad language from the artiste and violent patrons)
We have been hosting events with an almost perfect safety record for a number of years and today there were very few safety concerns - further to that the racing hadn't even started as yet to even allow for a safety concern to become apparent. On the note of the public toilet, you may have seen that our sponsored toilets - 15 scattered around the venue were all light brown and from JQ and the one being referred to was in fact a UDECOTT rented Toilet which was locked and not part of our setup and behind a concrete culvert (just to clarify). It was also in an area requiring the complete slow down of the car due to the tight turn (after the pic of course)
No fights, no violence, a crowd made up of mostly families and friends liming on the outskirts does not suggest a risk of crowd or drunk partygoers who need to be dealt with. With respect to the bar license, we have never had an issue like this in the years of Rally Trinidad and i would like to assure all who are wondering that it was not an oversight nor forgetting. In fact the bar license was applied for both Friday and Sunday night at the same time. Rather there was a misunderstanding which we are looking into. The fact is that the Police were well within their right to allow the event to continue, but shut the whole event down without so much as options being considered.
6 jeeps of riot gear heavily armed Police were sent in to deal with a 20x20 tented bar (staff of 5) in a crowd of mostly people simply wanting to enjoy the afternoon of racing. They arrived and jumped out of the vehicles loading weapons like if it was a bank heist. If you don't think that is excessive then it's entirely your opinion but i think most would agree.
On the door charge. I think all would agree that the TTRC has began to offer more to our patrons with the event infrastructure and logistics (i.e. National Stadium on Friday night) and we simply charge a small fee to help offset the cost. Anyone who has experience with events would know the cost of stage, lighting, sound, fencing, signage etc etc. Furthermore a $100 per carload (roughly $20 per head) is in no way a 'big money ting' as some would say. How many $20-$40 events by comparison do issue receipts? Refunding was not possible today but that does not mean that we do not intend to make it up somehow.
What we can say however is that we will be getting to the bottom of what can be described as an excessive decision by the TTPS, and looking ahead we will be planning an event with the same level of logistics with no door charge and do our best to make amends to the spectators that came out and supported us in somewhat vain.
There will be critics but i think they are limited. We have a great sport and an even greater spectator base who i think will understand that we were powerless to change the course of events today but can only promise to make it up.
On the stages today being cancelled. We were met with 3 large loads of garbage in 'Jack and Jill while setting up this morning (probably dumped last night) and ran late trying to get equipment to move it. We needed to get the cars to Tarouba and the only decision that we had was to cancel the stages. If we put any of you in the same situation i am sure the result would be the same. Disappointing yes but an unavoidable logistical issue.
To close we would like everyone to be reassured that we will bounce back from this and we will make it up to everyone. We can only ask for your understanding.
well said couldnt b better
~*Pãñdorą*~ wrote:Nah RS..
Yuh edited yuh post before I could quote!!
I knew we had little boys on the forum, but I didn't realise they were that petty!!
Kicking up a girl's car and cursing at her?! He does wife beat too nah?!
De Phoq!!
rollingstock wrote:Not offended just stating a fact as i garner from your post.
If you knew me you would know that i am forthright and unafraid to say what is on my mind, but am rarely miffed. This has worked best for me in the geological area i operate from. Excuse me for being blunt but that is the way i am.
It seems you are hurting from the cancellation of the event dbu
edited: this is directed at autosport.
Again triad i have nothing against the organisers of the rally and in no way do i represent the police service. I felt compelled to defend the service from the misrepresentation of uneducated users.
Maybe my direct and what may be construed as offensive way of replying may need some work ( i do recognise my shortfalls) may have offended some persons but they can pick the sense from nonsense and try to understand what i posted and the pertinent information within.
Seems persons were more angry with the police for doing their jobs and not with the organisers for their grave oversight which was the primary cause of the problem.
I don't think ppl would be angry with the police if they did their jobs!rollingstock wrote:Seems persons were more angry with the police for doing their jobs and not with the organisers for their grave oversight which was the primary cause of the problem.
AutoSport wrote:Breds if you go and read over your last post you will see, where YOU are now agreeing with most of the critical comments being made against your own team- slowly coming down off your high horse.
You must be reading something else.
Just look at what you are now saying..."persons hate the police, rightfully in most cases"
But yuh very wrong in saying no bar licence shut down the event. But that is the standard show of force.
And pray tell what did? I'm not into motorsport for the politics so that doesn't concern me, i'm just going by what was reported. If you have information to the contrary and keep it to yourself, how can i be blamed for my stance?
Anyway, moving forward, the TTRC will continue to receive the fullest support of all Genuine Motorsport lovers within the Motorsport Community!
Are you insinuating that i am not a 'genuine' motor sport lover? I was never critical of the TTRC, i just defended the officers on the facts reported.
Your attitude, as it relates to your posts in this thread, has been utterly disgraceful.rollingstock wrote:It is apparent that there is no winning fighting a losing conversation with a clique with ulterior political motives wrt motorsport.
So in closing i agree fcuk the police.
rollingstock wrote:Take it as you all may, i wasn't offended but felt compelled to try to defend teh police, but have come to realise that no matter what, persons hate the police, rightfully in most cases but hate to see them face a bum rap undeservedly.
Computerman wrote:Your attitude, as it relates to your posts in this thread, has been utterly disgraceful.rollingstock wrote:It is apparent that there is no winning fighting a losing conversation with a clique with ulterior political motives wrt motorsport.
So in closing i agree fcuk the police.rollingstock wrote:Take it as you all may, i wasn't offended but felt compelled to try to defend teh police, but have come to realise that no matter what, persons hate the police, rightfully in most cases but hate to see them face a bum rap undeservedly.
Special weapons and tactics team ideas grew out of anti-terrorism efforts in the 60’s & 70′s. It is about using overwhelming force in police work when there is a perceived threat. This is a a tactic more appropriate to soldiers on an actual battlefield. SWAT tactics mentality has no place on public streets, where it places “officer safety” above the duty to protect the innocent. This impression is reinforced when the officers and officials behind the raids are not held to account when things go wrong! Do the police have more value than that of a citizen? Do we distinguish between citizens in their own environment and foreign nationals? Do the police, as agents of the state, deserve special privileges denied to citizens? The militarized attitudes and lack of accountability that fosters an “us versus them” divide between police and public must change if law enforcement is to regain the trust and respect the profession once had (if it ever did) in the eyes of the public.
AutoSport wrote:Computerman wrote:Your attitude, as it relates to your posts in this thread, has been utterly disgraceful.rollingstock wrote:It is apparent that there is no winning fighting a losing conversation with a clique with ulterior political motives wrt motorsport.
So in closing i agree fcuk the police.rollingstock wrote:Take it as you all may, i wasn't offended but felt compelled to try to defend teh police, but have come to realise that no matter what, persons hate the police, rightfully in most cases but hate to see them face a bum rap undeservedly.
Special weapons and tactics team ideas grew out of anti-terrorism efforts in the 60’s & 70′s. It is about using overwhelming force in police work when there is a perceived threat. This is a a tactic more appropriate to soldiers on an actual battlefield. SWAT tactics mentality has no place on public streets, where it places “officer safety” above the duty to protect the innocent. This impression is reinforced when the officers and officials behind the raids are not held to account when things go wrong! Do the police have more value than that of a citizen? Do we distinguish between citizens in their own environment and foreign nationals? Do the police, as agents of the state, deserve special privileges denied to citizens? The militarized attitudes and lack of accountability that fosters an “us versus them” divide between police and public must change if law enforcement is to regain the trust and respect the profession once had (if it ever did) in the eyes of the public.
Mr. Computerman, I wish what you said could really be understood by Mr. Rollingstock.
And look at how he again goes off on another assumption.... "with a clique with ulterior political motives wrt motorsport."
The ulterior political motives were unleashed on all of MotorSport at the Arima Gran Prix, Easter 2011. That will never be forgotten. Where were you then?
Even worse making statements on what he perceived, and then asking if my comments are on facts not stated here. My statements are based on facts, that the Police know.
Again when he can't comprehend even what he is saying, look at his proud final statement towards his own. We shall pray for him and his team.
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