What do you think about employers forcing employees to be vaccinated?

[hover11]

What do yall think about these restaurants forcing employees to be vaccinated ?

[Dizzy28]

What do yall think about these restaurants forcing employees to be vaccinated ?

A legal battle may be looming as the head of the Industrial Court already said employers don't have that authority

Deborah Thomas-Felix

President of the Industrial Court

To add context to my statement, I was a participant at a webinar that was hosted by the Trinidad and Tobago Chamber of Commerce in January this year. My understanding is that the purpose of this webinar was for the Chamber to gather information on the law and industrial relations practice to assist and guide its members in this time of crisis. The discussion was confined to issues related to the world of work.

One of the participants at the webinar asked whether an employer can order an employee to take a vaccine for the employee to continue his or her employment. Those were not the exact words of the question, but that is the gist of the question. I responded by stating that in industrial relations an employer cannot unilaterally alter or change the existing terms and conditions of employment of workers, especially if there is a recognised majority union present at the establishment.

I went further to add that if an individual is not employed at the establishment but is seeking employment, an employer can insist that the individual gets a vaccine in order to obtain employment at the establishment; that is what is called a “condition precedent” to employment. The individual who is seeking the job can decide to become vaccinated or he can decide not to be employed at that establishment on those terms.

This is similar to when you seek to go to a country and the country requires that you take a vaccine to enter, some countries require that the passenger gets yellow fever vaccination. You, the passenger, can decide whether you are entering the country on those terms or not.

However, it is important to understand that it is very different in the case where someone who is already employed with an establishment and is told that it is mandatory to take a vaccine in order to continue to work. The law states that a fundamental alteration of terms and conditions of employment cannot be done unilaterally. The keyword is “unilaterally”. Dialogue and consultation are key for any change or alterations to existing terms and conditions of employment to be effected
https://guardian.co.tt/article/can-empl ... 93820bf0fd

[paid_influencer]

supposedly it is acceptable as a condition of new employment or new contracts tho

[hover11]

All well and good for new contracts however the employer has no right to change any existing contract of employment unilaterally

supposedly it is acceptable as a condition of new employment or new contracts tho

[redmanjp]

All well and good for new contracts however the employer has no right to change any existing contract of employment unilaterally

supposedly it is acceptable as a condition of new employment or new contracts tho

contract workers cud get jam next time they renewing they contract

as for restaurant workers did the say they firing them? or just not allowing them back to work right now?

they can perhaps give those at home a stipend (not the lil $150) to hold them out for a while while the vaccinated ones have to go back to work.

[hover11]

Well I seeing Marios stating they will be temporarily laid off

All well and good for new contracts however the employer has no right to change any existing contract of employment unilaterally

supposedly it is acceptable as a condition of new employment or new contracts tho

contract workers cud get jam next time they renewing they contract

as for restaurant workers did the say they firing them? or just not allowing them back to work right now?

they can perhaps give those at home a stipend (not the lil $150) to hold them out for a while while the vaccinated ones have to go back to work.

[sMASH]

their temporary laid off status will be continued.

[redmanjp]

their temporary laid off status will be continued.

meaning they weren't laid off because of not being vaccinated? because ALL of them would have been laid off regardless of vaccination.

[sMASH]

they would have been laid off for the lock down measures. and in reopening, only the vaccinated staff would resume their duties. the unvaccinated would continue their lock down status, lol.

[MaxPower]

I support it.

Get with the program especially if they want to be irresponsible.

[hover11]

Hello Max,


Hope all is well.What about the employees who cannot take the vaccine due to health issues ?

I support it.

Get with the program especially if they want to be irresponsible.

[paid_influencer]

Hello Max,

Hope all is well.What about the employees who cannot take the vaccine due to health issues ?

I support it.

Get with the program especially if they want to be irresponsible.

what health issues tho? If you have health issues you are being pushed to the front of the line to get the vaccine, because you need it more than everybody else.

the only cautions right now are for persons under 18, and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

[VexXx Dogg]

Hello Max,


Hope all is well.What about the employees who cannot take the vaccine due to health issues ?

I support it.

Get with the program especially if they want to be irresponsible.

HR can and should be engaged for these cases with suitable medical verification . Not for those who refusing by vaps and karenism

[wing]

Hello Max,

Hope all is well.What about the employees who cannot take the vaccine due to health issues ?

I support it.

Get with the program especially if they want to be irresponsible.

what health issues tho? If you have health issues you are being pushed to the front of the line to get the vaccine, because you need it more than everybody else.

the only cautions right now are for persons under 18, and pregnant or breastfeeding women.

Unless being an antivaxxer qualifies as a mental health disorder?

[MaxPower]

Hello Max,


Hope all is well.What about the employees who cannot take the vaccine due to health issues ?

I support it.

Get with the program especially if they want to be irresponsible.

Hello hover11,

Good question.

What about if they contract the virus?

They dont want to follow the covid protocols and unable to get vaccinated and they should be employed?

To answer your question, in that case they must strictly adhere to ALL protocols and be immediately suspended/terminated if they are in breech and PCR tests must be taken every 2 weeks.

If they are that sick to be unable to take the vaccination then i am pretty sure they have a tonne of excuses on the job. Im sorry but employees with health conditions are very difficult to deal with and most of them use that to their advantage.

We are in a pandemic and everything cannot be hunkydory.

Get vaccinated people.

[paid_influencer]

correcting myself: Sinopharm is approved for breastfeeding women in T&T.

http://www.news.gov.tt/content/sinophar ... and-tobago

Only the Sinopharm COVID-19 vaccine has been approved for use by breastfeeding women in Trinidad and Tobago

No vaccine has been granted approval for use by pregnant women in Trinidad and Tobago.

Pregnant women should not receive any COVID19 vaccine.

[Les Bain]

Are the covid anti vaxxers solely opposed to the covid vaccines though? Because my initial thought after hearing their explanations is that any sinister vaccine theory (chip, mark of the beast, illuminati blah blah) most likely got sneaked in nice and quiet in your infancy.

[daring dragoon]

BOYCOTT THEY MC. if workers are not respected then the organization is disrespectful to all daily and small money workers. so boycott they mc,

[paid_influencer]

BOYCOTT THEY MC. if workers are not respected then the organization is disrespectful to all daily and small money workers. so boycott they mc,

well wait a second. I hear people saying if the workers unvaxxed they putting customers at risk so: boycott dey mc. Then when the company say they only giving hours to vaxxed employees, also boycott mc.

so is damned if you do damned if you don't

[VexXx Dogg]

BOYCOTT THEY MC. if workers are not respected then the organization is disrespectful to all daily and small money workers. so boycott they mc,

You taking panadol for other people headache?

[MaxPower]

Ok fine it may be difficult to fire them.

What about salary reductions?

I mean, we are in a pandemic.

Let them anti-vaccination employees feel them is god.

[alfa]

BOYCOTT THEY MC. if workers are not respected then the organization is disrespectful to all daily and small money workers. so boycott they mc,

well wait a second. I hear people saying if the workers unvaxxed they putting customers at risk so: boycott dey mc. Then when the company say they only giving hours to vaxxed employees, also boycott mc.

so is damned if you do damned if you don't

Unfortunate Trinis aren't going to boycott anything as always. KFC will remain the national dish of Trinidadand outlets will be packed out with customers who care not if the workers are vaccinated or not. Officially I don't support this forced vaccinations at all, seems to Gestapoish to me to be asking someone for papers. Unless Trinis are willing to take a serious stance against this infringement of personal rights and liberties which they aren't, I'm going to be in the KFC line come next week

[sam1978]

Ok fine it may be difficult to fire them.

What about salary reductions?

I mean, we are in a pandemic.

Let them anti-vaccination employees feel them is god.

Is it true you tell your male Vene employees that they must use Viagra?

[hover11]

I'm NOT vaccinated so JUST REMEMBER not to sell customers who are UNVACCINATED like myself. Since we're a threat to the vaccinated ppl I guess. Kinda hypocritical to want vaccinated employees only yet willing to conduct business with unvaccinated patrons.

[alfa]

I'm NOT vaccinated so JUST REMEMBER not to sell customers who are UNVACCINATED like myself. Since we're a threat to the vaccinated ppl I guess. Kinda hypocritical to want vaccinated employees only yet willing to conduct business with unvaccinated patrons.

Fry bird have to sell

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I'm NOT vaccinated so JUST REMEMBER not to sell customers who are UNVACCINATED like myself. Since we're a threat to the vaccinated ppl I guess. Kinda hypocritical to want vaccinated employees only yet willing to conduct business with unvaccinated patrons.

You can social distance customers - do delivery, curbside, drive-thru etc
You can't social distance employees all day as easily

[MaxPower]

Ok fine it may be difficult to fire them.

What about salary reductions?

I mean, we are in a pandemic.

Let them anti-vaccination employees feel them is god.

Is it true you tell your male Vene employees that they must use Viagra?

Samlal,

That’s not true bro.

What’s wrong with Viagra though?

You not gonna be young and hard forever so Viagra can be a solution to many males that experience erectile disfunction. Nothing to be ashamed of.

Have you ever tried Yohimbe?

[nick639v2]

Now I studying if they shouldve really put a lil tracker/tag in the vaccine yes. Let the Vaxxers go hit the beach, restaurants and enjoy.
Once you unvaxxed you throwing off an alarm when entering public places like by the door in pennywise and they have a right to refuse entry..

[ScHoolboySoloQ]

Are the covid anti vaxxers solely opposed to the covid vaccines though? Because my initial thought after hearing their explanations is that any sinister vaccine theory (chip, mark of the beast, illuminati blah blah) most likely got sneaked in nice and quiet in your infancy.

Most of them are solely opposed to covid vaccines. Bill Gates increased the amount of covid anti vaxxers with his speech about 'depopulation', then we have our PM saying people in this country is 'living too long'. Those words create an unsettling feeling among the population and feeds our natural instinct to create a conspiracy about an activity or entity we do not fully understand. I have been hearing about the mark of the beast since Sunday school, these recent events along with access to technology just amplified it. It's really nothing new.

[hover11]

I believe this is the trial before the mark of the beast , look how easy ppl are willing to take this vaccine for the need to work...no man shall buy or sell without the mark, I'm not even a devout Christian, far from it actually but you have to admit this whole situation is one big experiment

Are the covid anti vaxxers solely opposed to the covid vaccines though? Because my initial thought after hearing their explanations is that any sinister vaccine theory (chip, mark of the beast, illuminati blah blah) most likely got sneaked in nice and quiet in your infancy.

Most of them are solely opposed to covid vaccines. Bill Gates increased the amount of covid anti vaxxers with his speech about 'depopulation', then we have our PM saying people in this country is 'living too long'. Those words create an unsettling feeling among the population and feeds our natural instinct to create a conspiracy about an activity or entity we do not fully understand. I have been hearing about the mark of the beast since Sunday school, these recent events along with access to technology just amplified it. It's really nothing new.