COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

[Wraith King]

There's the hardcore anti vaxxers who believe Bill Gates going to track them or their DNA will be altered.

Then there's the newer anti vaxxers who heavily influenced by fake news on social media. They concerned about how fast the vaccines were developed but haven't read up about operation warp speed and how different steps were done simultaneously so we get vaccines before the virus wiped out the human race. They want to wait and see. Let's hope they don't get covid-19 while waiting.

I don't think a virus with a 98% survival rate is going to wipe out the human race.

That being said if someone believes the vaccine will assist in their personal safety they should take it. However if someone believes the vaccine isn't necessary they should be allowed to not take it without being hounded for doing so. This view is based on how things are currently.

[Mmoney607]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

[K74T]

[drchaos]

There's the hardcore anti vaxxers who believe Bill Gates going to track them or their DNA will be altered.

Then there's the newer anti vaxxers who heavily influenced by fake news on social media. They concerned about how fast the vaccines were developed but haven't read up about operation warp speed and how different steps were done simultaneously so we get vaccines before the virus wiped out the human race. They want to wait and see. Let's hope they don't get covid-19 while waiting.

I don't think a virus with a 98% survival rate is going to wipe out the human race.

That being said if someone believes the vaccine will assist in their personal safety they should take it. However if someone believes the vaccine isn't necessary they should be allowed to not take it without being hounded for doing so. This view is based on how things are currently.

No point in trying to speak sense to these people ... They are just as dumb as antivaxxers
Both Pro and Anti are at separate ends of a sociopolitical religious belief system that narrows their spectrum on thinking.

If you hit them with the fact thatthe survival rate is 98% they come with some made up sheit that if you don't die from covid you will be disabled for the rest of your life with some mythical long term organ damage.

If this was true then the overwhelmed health system we have would be collapsing due to the 15,911 confirmed cases of covid we have had would all be disabled and in serious need of cardio-pulmonary medical services.

[adnj]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

The B cells were only found in people that had mild cases of Covid-19 disease - not severe disease, not asymptomatic infection.

[Wraith King]

There's the hardcore anti vaxxers who believe Bill Gates going to track them or their DNA will be altered.

Then there's the newer anti vaxxers who heavily influenced by fake news on social media. They concerned about how fast the vaccines were developed but haven't read up about operation warp speed and how different steps were done simultaneously so we get vaccines before the virus wiped out the human race. They want to wait and see. Let's hope they don't get covid-19 while waiting.

I don't think a virus with a 98% survival rate is going to wipe out the human race.

That being said if someone believes the vaccine will assist in their personal safety they should take it. However if someone believes the vaccine isn't necessary they should be allowed to not take it without being hounded for doing so. This view is based on how things are currently.

No point in trying to speak sense to these people ... They are just as dumb as antivaxxers
Both Pro and Anti are at separate ends of a sociopolitical religious belief system that narrows their spectrum on thinking.

If you hit them with the fact thatthe survival rate is 98% they come with some made up sheit that if you don't die from covid you will be disabled for the rest of your life with some mythical long term organ damage.

If this was true then the overwhelmed health system we have would be collapsing due to the 15,911 confirmed cases of covid we have had would all be disabled and in serious need of cardio-pulmonary medical services.

There are some persons who have been vaccinated for other viruses but not comfortable with taking the vaccine for this virus.

[drchaos]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

[Dohplaydat]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

This isn't fear-mongering, it's what the latest research tells us. Reinfections were more common than expected during the last peak. Especially in Brazil where reinfection by the P1 was very common.

I'm just being practical. If reinfection is a real possibility every year, then that will eventually lead to variants that can evade vaccines. And then we back to square one.

Actual research papers:
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(21)00183-5/fulltext
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 5321000438

Media articles about it:
https://www.outlookindia.com/website/st ... udy/382024
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhas ... 31ed5e12e2
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/12/recover ... -says.html

[Mmoney607]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

OK so if you already had covid would you take the vaccine?

[redakkmooz60]

Anyone feel they playing with these numbers from the start?


How is cpep still getting paid? For what exactly? We money taking a walk

They control the information being released. Ask yourself, do you trust any politician in Trinidad?

Pnm have always been excellent at being opportunistic. They have been cooking the figures to suit their need.

In Keith's defence he did say 50% of 180,000 is 140,000 so maybe he's terrible at Mathematics.

am didnt udnerstnd dis joke so i ask my son n he siad dat halff of 180000 is 90ooo so rowlie lie

[drchaos]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

The B cells were only found in people that had mild cases of Covid-19 disease - not severe disease, not asymptomatic infection.

The study did not say this.

Also you have to remember that you have other aspects of the immune system besides the Humoral response (Antibodies and B cells). A healthy innate immune system is quite capable of stopping infection before it starts and cell mediated immunity plays an important role in stopping infection as well.

There is a reason why over 80+% of people recover from this virus with almost no symptomology to speak of.

[adnj]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

[drchaos]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

OK so if you already had covid would you take the vaccine?

Me I personally would hold out.
If you already have immunity why go take a jab unless your rights are being taken away and you want them back.
The chance of an adverse reaction is very small but still a reality, so why risk it if you have immunity.

St. Augustine Private does do Serology testing for antibodies, they were crappy in the beginning but serology testing has come a long way since this thing started.

[drchaos]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

If I was being lobbied sure I say the same thing and go against the data.
Remember there is alot of money to be made with these covid vaccines.

[Wraith King]

Anyone feel they playing with these numbers from the start?


How is cpep still getting paid? For what exactly? We money taking a walk

They control the information being released. Ask yourself, do you trust any politician in Trinidad?

Pnm have always been excellent at being opportunistic. They have been cooking the figures to suit their need.

In Keith's defence he did say 50% of 180,000 is 140,000 so maybe he's terrible at Mathematics.

am didnt udnerstnd dis joke so i ask my son n he siad dat halff of 180000 is 90ooo so rowlie lie

Lmao. You can't be serious.

[Mmoney607]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

OK so if you already had covid would you take the vaccine?

Me I personally would hold out.
If you already have immunity why go take a jab unless your rights are being taken away and you want them back.
The chance of an adverse reaction is very small but still a reality, so why risk it if you have immunity.

St. Augustine Private does do Serology testing for antibodies, they were crappy in the beginning but serology testing has come a long way since this thing started.

Thanks doc!

[hover11]

Ofc it is a money making thing look how many companies and different vaccines are offered, they instilling fear that you need to take this every 4-6 months....that's sure profits for something ppl believe is a necessity now

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

If I was being lobbied sure I say the same thing and go against the data.
Remember there is alot of money to be made with these covid vaccines.

[Dohplaydat]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

This is misinformation.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/288

(L. F. Buss et al. Science 371, 288–292; 2021). The area had been severely hit by the disease, and immunologist Ester Sabino at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, and her colleagues calculated that more than 60% of the population had been infected by June 2020. According to some estimates, that should have been enough to get the population to the herd-immunity threshold, but in January Manaus saw a huge resurgence in cases. This spike happened after the emergence of a new variant known as P.1, which suggests that previous infections did not confer broad protection to the virus. “In January, 100% of the cases in Manaus were caused by P.1,” Sabino says. Scarpino suspects that the 60% figure might have been an overestimate. Even so, he says, “You still have resurgence in the face of a high level of immunity.”

I'm not saying natural immunity doesn't count, because it does. But it's not something we can readily rely on. Good article here - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

[Wraith King]

Guys, whatever personal choice you make regarding the vaccine is fine. I think everything will be okay.

[Dohplaydat]

Ofc it is a money making thing look how many companies and different vaccines are offered, they instilling fear that you need to take this every 4-6 months....that's sure profits for something ppl believe is a necessity now

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

If I was being lobbied sure I say the same thing and go against the data.
Remember there is alot of money to be made with these covid vaccines.

By all means decline these free vaccines then. When you sheep get covid don't expect sympathy from us.

[Wraith King]

Ofc it is a money making thing look how many companies and different vaccines are offered, they instilling fear that you need to take this every 4-6 months....that's sure profits for something ppl believe is a necessity now

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

If I was being lobbied sure I say the same thing and go against the data.
Remember there is alot of money to be made with these covid vaccines.

By all means decline these free vaccines then. When you sheep get covid don't expect sympathy from us.

Why would you say that? No one wished that you suffer side effects from taking the vaccine. You should respect someone's choice even though you don't agree with it.

[drchaos]

Ofc it is a money making thing look how many companies and different vaccines are offered, they instilling fear that you need to take this every 4-6 months....that's sure profits for something ppl believe is a necessity now

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

If I was being lobbied sure I say the same thing and go against the data.
Remember there is alot of money to be made with these covid vaccines.

By all means decline these free vaccines then. When you sheep get covid don't expect sympathy from us.

Just a heads up
The threat of withdrawing your sympathy won't really convince people to do what you want them to do.

We will probably all have to get vaccinated eventually due to vaccine passports and governments taking away your rights unless you do get vaccinated.

[Dohplaydat]

Ofc it is a money making thing look how many companies and different vaccines are offered, they instilling fear that you need to take this every 4-6 months....that's sure profits for something ppl believe is a necessity now

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

If I was being lobbied sure I say the same thing and go against the data.
Remember there is alot of money to be made with these covid vaccines.

By all means decline these free vaccines then. When you sheep get covid don't expect sympathy from us.

Why would you say that? No one wished that you suffer side effects from taking the vaccine. You should respect someone's choice even though you don't agree with it.

I am not wishing ill on anyone, but if a vaccine is offered and you don't take it, then you get covid, why must I feel sorry for the consequences of your choices? I not saying it good for you, or hope you get it and die eh.

I'm saying, I not going to feel sorry for you if you contract covid badly.

[drchaos]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

This is misinformation.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/288

(L. F. Buss et al. Science 371, 288–292; 2021). The area had been severely hit by the disease, and immunologist Ester Sabino at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, and her colleagues calculated that more than 60% of the population had been infected by June 2020. According to some estimates, that should have been enough to get the population to the herd-immunity threshold, but in January Manaus saw a huge resurgence in cases. This spike happened after the emergence of a new variant known as P.1, which suggests that previous infections did not confer broad protection to the virus. “In January, 100% of the cases in Manaus were caused by P.1,” Sabino says. Scarpino suspects that the 60% figure might have been an overestimate. Even so, he says, “You still have resurgence in the face of a high level of immunity.”

I'm not saying natural immunity doesn't count, because it does. But it's not something we can readily rely on. Good article here - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

You point is mute ... There since both natural immunity and vaccine immunity is reduced for Brazilian and South Af. Strains
So yes natural immunity and vaccines immunity are both great but have their limitations with the newer variants.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00623-2

[Wraith King]

Ofc it is a money making thing look how many companies and different vaccines are offered, they instilling fear that you need to take this every 4-6 months....that's sure profits for something ppl believe is a necessity now

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

If I was being lobbied sure I say the same thing and go against the data.
Remember there is alot of money to be made with these covid vaccines.

By all means decline these free vaccines then. When you sheep get covid don't expect sympathy from us.

Why would you say that? No one wished that you suffer side effects from taking the vaccine. You should respect someone's choice even though you don't agree with it.

I am not wishing ill on anyone, but if a vaccine is offered and you don't take it, then you get covid, why must I feel sorry for the consequences of your choices? I not saying it good for you, or hope you get it and die eh.

I'm saying, I not going to feel sorry for you if you contract covid badly.

What if you took the vaccine and experienced side effects and while you were sick someone told you you deserved that for taking the vaccine. How would you feel?

A person can make a personal choice that you don't agree with and if it doesn't work out you can still empathise instead of throw it in their face.

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Ofc it is a money making thing look how many companies and different vaccines are offered, they instilling fear that you need to take this every 4-6 months....that's sure profits for something ppl believe is a necessity now

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

Experts say a person who’s had COVID-19 still needs to get vaccinated against the disease.

They note that the immune response after having the disease isn’t as strong as the defensive response that occurs after vaccination.

They also note that people who’ve had COVID-19 can still contract and transmit the coronavirus more easily if they haven’t been vaccinated.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/ ... d-covid-19

If I was being lobbied sure I say the same thing and go against the data.
Remember there is alot of money to be made with these covid vaccines.

By all means decline these free vaccines then. When you sheep get covid don't expect sympathy from us.

Why would you say that? No one wished that you suffer side effects from taking the vaccine. You should respect someone's choice even though you don't agree with it.

I am not wishing ill on anyone, but if a vaccine is offered and you don't take it, then you get covid, why must I feel sorry for the consequences of your choices? I not saying it good for you, or hope you get it and die eh.

I'm saying, I not going to feel sorry for you if you contract covid badly.

What if you took the vaccine and experienced side effects and while you were sick someone told you you deserved that for taking the vaccine. How would you feel?

A person can make a personal choice that you don't agree with and if it doesn't work out you can still empathise instead of throw it in their face.

Irrespective of what choice you make, I don't believe that there is much value in publicizing it on an internet forum.

[Dohplaydat]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

This is misinformation.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/288

(L. F. Buss et al. Science 371, 288–292; 2021). The area had been severely hit by the disease, and immunologist Ester Sabino at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, and her colleagues calculated that more than 60% of the population had been infected by June 2020. According to some estimates, that should have been enough to get the population to the herd-immunity threshold, but in January Manaus saw a huge resurgence in cases. This spike happened after the emergence of a new variant known as P.1, which suggests that previous infections did not confer broad protection to the virus. “In January, 100% of the cases in Manaus were caused by P.1,” Sabino says. Scarpino suspects that the 60% figure might have been an overestimate. Even so, he says, “You still have resurgence in the face of a high level of immunity.”

I'm not saying natural immunity doesn't count, because it does. But it's not something we can readily rely on. Good article here - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

You point is mute ... There since both natural immunity and vaccine immunity is reduced for Brazilian and South Af. Strains
So yes natural immunity and vaccines immunity are both great but have their limitations with the newer variants.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00623-2

The word is moot not mute big man. And there are degrees you measure these things. Pfizer and Moderna are seeing roughly 70-80% efficacy against the P1, whereas natural immunity to the P1 is well below 50%.

What if you took the vaccine and experienced side effects and while you were sick someone told you you deserved that for taking the vaccine. How would you feel?

A person can make a personal choice that you don't agree with and if it doesn't work out you can still empathise instead of throw it in their face.

I would emphasize because they did the right thing for humanity, congrats to that brave person.

Look I'm not forcing anyone to take the vaccine, but please know it's a selfish decision that puts us all at risk for another pandemic.

Why are hesitant? Please explain, because maybe I'm missing some salient point you might have.

[hover11]

Of all the covid deaths, how many of them were vaccinated? Why are they not telling us? Don't tell me that all were anti vaxxers or unvaccinated please because statistically that would be inaccurate

[drchaos]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

This is misinformation.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/288

(L. F. Buss et al. Science 371, 288–292; 2021). The area had been severely hit by the disease, and immunologist Ester Sabino at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, and her colleagues calculated that more than 60% of the population had been infected by June 2020. According to some estimates, that should have been enough to get the population to the herd-immunity threshold, but in January Manaus saw a huge resurgence in cases. This spike happened after the emergence of a new variant known as P.1, which suggests that previous infections did not confer broad protection to the virus. “In January, 100% of the cases in Manaus were caused by P.1,” Sabino says. Scarpino suspects that the 60% figure might have been an overestimate. Even so, he says, “You still have resurgence in the face of a high level of immunity.”

I'm not saying natural immunity doesn't count, because it does. But it's not something we can readily rely on. Good article here - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

You point is mute ... There since both natural immunity and vaccine immunity is reduced for Brazilian and South Af. Strains
So yes natural immunity and vaccines immunity are both great but have their limitations with the newer variants.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00623-2

The word is moot not mute big man. And there are degrees you measure these things. Pfizer and Moderna are seeing roughly 70-80% efficacy against the P1, whereas natural immunity to the P1 is well below 50%.

What if you took the vaccine and experienced side effects and while you were sick someone told you you deserved that for taking the vaccine. How would you feel?

A person can make a personal choice that you don't agree with and if it doesn't work out you can still empathise instead of throw it in their face.

I would emphasize because they did the right thing for humanity, congrats to that brave person.

Look I'm not forcing anyone to take the vaccine, but please know it's a selfish decision that puts us all at risk for another pandemic.

Why are hesitant? Please explain, because maybe I'm missing some salient point you might have.

Data supporting this including Humoral and Cell mediated immunity response being less than 50%?

[Wraith King]

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Dohplaydat is engaging in fear mongering.
Antibodies drop slightly from the 6-8 month mark ... BUT ... and its a big BUT

Plasma memory B cells have been shown to be increasing over that period up to 6 months. Which proves long lasting immunity beyond 6-8 months since these memory cells were shown not to decline in the study.

Remember there is alot of money in vaccinating people ...

What we need to focus on is vaccinating those who haven't been infected and leaving the 98% of people who survived covid alone so we can achieve Herd Immunity faster.

Dr. What's the chance of getting it again if you already had it? Would someone be able to contract a variant? Can you operate as though covid does not exist?

Asking for a friend healthy and under 30.

The Data is suggesting yes your level of protection is equivalent to being vaccinated

The spike protein changes as the virus mutates, but your immunity will still provide some protection since there will still be some cross reactivity between the original spike protein and the newer variants.
This is why the vaccines for the original strain seem to have some protection with the newer variants and its very safe to assume that natural immunity will do the same.

This is misinformation.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6526/288

(L. F. Buss et al. Science 371, 288–292; 2021). The area had been severely hit by the disease, and immunologist Ester Sabino at the University of São Paulo, Brazil, and her colleagues calculated that more than 60% of the population had been infected by June 2020. According to some estimates, that should have been enough to get the population to the herd-immunity threshold, but in January Manaus saw a huge resurgence in cases. This spike happened after the emergence of a new variant known as P.1, which suggests that previous infections did not confer broad protection to the virus. “In January, 100% of the cases in Manaus were caused by P.1,” Sabino says. Scarpino suspects that the 60% figure might have been an overestimate. Even so, he says, “You still have resurgence in the face of a high level of immunity.”

I'm not saying natural immunity doesn't count, because it does. But it's not something we can readily rely on. Good article here - https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

You point is mute ... There since both natural immunity and vaccine immunity is reduced for Brazilian and South Af. Strains
So yes natural immunity and vaccines immunity are both great but have their limitations with the newer variants.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41392-021-00623-2

The word is moot not mute big man. And there are degrees you measure these things. Pfizer and Moderna are seeing roughly 70-80% efficacy against the P1, whereas natural immunity to the P1 is well below 50%.

What if you took the vaccine and experienced side effects and while you were sick someone told you you deserved that for taking the vaccine. How would you feel?

A person can make a personal choice that you don't agree with and if it doesn't work out you can still empathise instead of throw it in their face.

I would emphasize because they did the right thing for humanity, congrats to that brave person.

Look I'm not forcing anyone to take the vaccine, but please know it's a selfish decision that puts us all at risk for another pandemic.

Why are hesitant? Please explain, because maybe I'm missing some salient point you might have.

I never said if I was or wasn't taking the vaccine. All I'm saying is each individual free to make their personal choice.