COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

[drchaos]

Covid done fellars ...

[Dave]

The white house has dropped it's mask mandate. So yes seems it has been tamed.

[teems1]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

[j.o.e]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

It done. Extrapolate any figure worldwide and you’ll get a big figure
For example 3700 people die daily in road accidents
We jamming still

[aaron17]

The rat plague making its rounds...btw

[timelapse]

The rat plague making its rounds...btw

Like you playing Dishonored

[aaron17]

The rat plague making its rounds...btw

Like you playing Dishonored

lol

[st7]

good to see this thread has slowed down significantly. it just shows people are over covid and want to move on with life.

it's more the antivaxxers not making noise. they take the majority of this ched

I feel hoover take his vaccine and feeling under the weather

nah i see him jumping up in fete with the fake vax card. man partying hard and wearing mask diaper.

in all seriousness though -- you can see how much frothers tuner have

[redmanjp]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

It done. Extrapolate any figure worldwide and you’ll get a big figure
For example 3700 people die daily in road accidents
We jamming still

i would say it done (the acute pandemic phase or emergency) after omicron pass through in most countries and generate some non-sterilizing herd immunity.in those not vaccinated. it would still kill some though (guess which vax category). WHO say it will end this year. BA2 still making its rounds, including here - we may see another bump in cases before omicron goes away.

Hopefully endemic covid will be a lot less deadly and comparable to the flu which had less than 50 deaths for the entire flu season prior to covid.

the mother of all carnivals is in 2023. well assuming no WW3.

[De Dragon]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

It done. Extrapolate any figure worldwide and you’ll get a big figure
For example 3700 people die daily in road accidents
We jamming still

i would say it done (the acute pandemic phase or emergency) after omicron pass through in most countries and generate some non-sterilizing herd immunity.in those not vaccinated. it would still kill some though (guess which vax category). WHO say it will end tis year. BA2 still making its rounds, including here - we may see another bump in cases before omicron goes away.

Hopefully endemic covid will be a lot less deadly and comparable to the flu which had less than 50 deaths for the entire flu season prior to covid.

The last thing needed is for the premature announcing of the "end" of Covid.
Anti vax and unvaxxed as well as many Trinis, still too casual about the precautions required as it is.

[redmanjp]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

It done. Extrapolate any figure worldwide and you’ll get a big figure
For example 3700 people die daily in road accidents
We jamming still

i would say it done (the acute pandemic phase or emergency) after omicron pass through in most countries and generate some non-sterilizing herd immunity.in those not vaccinated. it would still kill some though (guess which vax category). WHO say it will end tis year. BA2 still making its rounds, including here - we may see another bump in cases before omicron goes away.

Hopefully endemic covid will be a lot less deadly and comparable to the flu which had less than 50 deaths for the entire flu season prior to covid.

The last thing needed is for the premature announcing of the "end" of Covid.
Anti vax and unvaxxed as well as many Trinis, still too casual about the precautions required as it is.

unless mother nature throws up a delta like variant, i say we lucky to have omicron rather than another variant as some ppl refuse to be vaxxed, and around the world some places don't have enough vaccines. omicron creates immunity from delta, so delta cant spread any more after omicron pass through.it has wiped out delta in the US and UK etc. and perhaps here as well by now.

[Dizzy28]

Hardly see updates in here again

[drchaos]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

People don't care anymore ... They are burnt out and really don't give a sheit.
Just like how people have become numb to the carnage/murders that happen on a day to day basis.

time to go back to normal.
The vaccinated to unvaccinated death ratios rising as well. Natural immunity taking care of the unvaccinated.

[adnj]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

People don't care anymore ... They are burnt out and really don't give a sheit.
Just like how people have become numb to the carnage/murders that happen on a day to day basis.

time to go back to normal.
The vaccinated to unvaccinated death ratios rising as well. Natural immunity taking care of the unvaccinated.

In Trinidad, this year only, unvaccinated deaths on Jan 15 were 88% of total; and on Feb 25, unvaccinated deaths were 87% of total.

No other data has been published.

[drchaos]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

People don't care anymore ... They are burnt out and really don't give a sheit.
Just like how people have become numb to the carnage/murders that happen on a day to day basis.

time to go back to normal.
The vaccinated to unvaccinated death ratios rising as well. Natural immunity taking care of the unvaccinated.

In Trinidad, this year only, unvaccinated deaths on Jan 15 were 88% of total; and on Feb 25, unvaccinated deaths were 87% of total.

No other data has been published.

In case you had not realized the vaccine was released over a year ago.
Unless that fact disputes your narrative so you left a year + worth of data out of your stats ....

[adnj]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

People don't care anymore ... They are burnt out and really don't give a sheit.
Just like how people have become numb to the carnage/murders that happen on a day to day basis.

time to go back to normal.
The vaccinated to unvaccinated death ratios rising as well. Natural immunity taking care of the unvaccinated.

In Trinidad, this year only, unvaccinated deaths on Jan 15 were 88% of total; and on Feb 25, unvaccinated deaths were 87% of total.

No other data has been published.

In case you had not realized the vaccine was released over a year ago.
Unless that fact disputes your narrative so you left a year + worth of data out of your stats ....

No data regarding deaths of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated was published prior to January 15.

BUT if you insist on looking back at the all of the available data: run the numbers: Unvaccinated went from 94% of deaths to 92.5%.

You've confused numbers with narrative.

[paid_influencer]

Hardly see updates in here againFB_IMG_1646168768454.jpg

many other countries have switched to weekly updates, which makes sense now that we are in the endemic phase.

the vaxx stats are updated weekly, so we can use those for comparison. for the period 02 Feb to 25 Feb, we got:

+120 vaccinated hospitalizations
+317 unvaccinated hospitalizations

that gives a roughly 60% effectiveness against hospitalizations, which is good, but not the guarantee against severe disease that was promised in the early days.

two ways to look at that tho. vaccine not working as they did before (more vaccinated people being hospitalized) -- OR --- ORRRR R- --- OORRRRRRRRR -- unvaccinated people are building immunity ("natural immunity") and reducing their relative numbers.

either way, the absolute numbers of hospitalizations have dropped drastically. We under 300 hospitalizations and after the carnival bump, it will probably go under 200 hospitalizations. That is a great position for a country of 1.4 million people.

The bigger threat now is the status-quo becomes locked-in, prolonging the economic malaise across the whole country that was started by the lockdowns and restrictions. ALL of them must go, but the main ones we need to remove are:

(1) Getting rid of the Quarantine protocols.

Quarantine is not isolation. Isolation is for people actively with covid symptoms, those should be kept at home and out of society until they recover.

Quarantine is locking up people (who do NOT have covid) in their houses as a precautionary measure to prevent exposure to the wider society. Quarantine made sense in the early days when we could stop the spread, but it is unsustainable now.

We have hundreds of cases every day -- generating hundreds or thousands of contacts -- that are given quarantine orders to stay home. Work out the maths, that is thousands and thousands of man-hours being wasted every day because of unnecessary quarantine orders.

The health benefit is limited, since we have other methods to prevent spread. Once all parties are wearing high-quality masks, the risk is absolutely minimal. And we further have rapid tests available cheaply over the counter to identify those who do eventually turn positive. The virus is now endemic now, so people are going to be exposed in the course of their day to day lives. We can't keep quarantining every time we are "exposed"-- we won't ever get any work done!

Some rationalization of the quarantine period (either stripping it down to a few days, or removing it entirely) is overdue. Let people wear masks, take their test, and get back to work as long as they don't have symptoms or pop positive.

the other is,

(2) Re-opening Bars, Restaurants, Events, to the other half of the population.

The sky will not fall down if we re-open these sectors to the unvaccinated population.

[redmanjp]

the vaxx stats are updated weekly, so we can use those for comparison. for the period 02 Feb to 25 Feb, we got:

+120 vaccinated hospitalizations
+317 unvaccinated hospitalizations

that gives a roughly 60% effectiveness against hospitalizations, which is good, but not the guarantee against severe disease that was promised in the early days.

two ways to look at that tho. vaccine not working as they did before (more vaccinated people being hospitalized) -- OR --- ORRRR R- --- OORRRRRRRRR -- unvaccinated people are building immunity ("natural immunity") and reducing their relative numbers.

a 3rd reason is waning immunity- if many of those 120 were eligible to take the booster dose 6 mths after and didnt. u could be right about natural immunity from prior infection

regarding quarantine- if we go that route their should be a requirement for all contacts to at least wear masks , everywhere including workplaces or face an increased fine. at the moment u are exempt if u are in an office away from public access. however primary contacts (direct face to face with the infected person) should still quarantine- all the others can wear masks.

as for reopening safe zones to unvaxxed- perhaps if they had proof of a prior infection, yes - they are less likely to infect or become infected , especially with a severe infection. for the immune naïve, no -that would serve to increase hospitalizations and death. if they want access to safe zones, well they is a choice they can make. of course once case drop - and there is the likelihood of it dropping quickly as in other countries so the overall risk of infection drops, then get rid of the safe zone restriction.

[adnj]

Hardly see updates in here againFB_IMG_1646168768454.jpg

many other countries have switched to weekly updates, which makes sense now that we are in the endemic phase.

the vaxx stats are updated weekly, so we can use those for comparison. for the period 02 Feb to 25 Feb, we got:

+120 vaccinated hospitalizations
+317 unvaccinated hospitalizations

that gives a roughly 60% effectiveness against hospitalizations, which is good, but not the guarantee against severe disease that was promised in the early days.

You cannot determine vaccine effectiveness without knowing the total number of vaccinated individuals that were hospitalized out of a test group.

Nor can you assume that infections are occurring at the same rate across a population. You must establish the infection rate by random sampling.

What you CAN determine is that of the total number of people hospitalized during the period (437), 27.5% were vaccinated and 72.5% were unvaccinated. 50.2% of the population is vaccinated, therefore unvaccinated people are currently about 3× as likely to be hospitalized with COVID when compared to vaccinated people.

[redmanjp]

i would like them to break it down by age as well- if a higher % of the over 65 population is becoming vaxxed than under 65 then that would explain the increasing % vaxxed - they are higher risk.

also break down who is there 'with' vs 'from' covid. plenty vaxxed maybe there only because they happen to test +ve as all patients have to test, but they really there for a non covid reason. once u +ve u are moved to the parallel heath system.

[paid_influencer]

What you CAN determine is that of the total number of people hospitalized during the period (437), 27.5% were vaccinated and 72.5% were unvaccinated. 50.2% of the population is vaccinated, therefore unvaccinated people are currently about 3× as likely to be hospitalized with COVID when compared to vaccinated people.

you could also just look at the numbers.

one group is "one hundred"
the other group is "three hundred"

3x.

that's all you need to do.

also, in secondary school they taught us about precision, which is how finely you can measure the data. To the nearest tenth, the nearest hundredth, thousandth, etc. They also taught us a concept called "false precision," where you represent a statistic to a precision that isn't appropriate.

In this case, it is one week of data, so the data is p. sparse. The calculations we can make with that data would also be very rough, to we should be careful not to present the data with a higher precision than what really appropriate ("false precision").

In your case, you are giving figures to a tenth of a percent. That's not appropriate given the small sample size and the very short time frame. It is false precision. A better approach would be to do what I did - eyeball it and give an eyeball-level estimate that does not pretend to be precise.

[adnj]

What you CAN determine is that of the total number of people hospitalized during the period (437), 27.5% were vaccinated and 72.5% were unvaccinated. 50.2% of the population is vaccinated, therefore unvaccinated people are currently about 3× as likely to be hospitalized with COVID when compared to vaccinated people.

you could also just look at the numbers.

one group is "one hundred"
the other group is "three hundred"

3x.

that's all you need to do.

also, in secondary school they taught us about precision, which is finely you can measure the data. To the nearest tenth, the nearest hundredth, thousandth, etc. They also taught us a concept called "false precision," where you represent a result to a precision that isn't appropriate.

In this case, it is one week of data, so the data is p. sparse. The calculations we can make with that data would also be very rough, to we should be careful not to present the data with a higher precision than what really appropriate ("false precision").

[B]In your case, you are giving figures to a tenth of a percent. That's not appropriate given the small sample size. [B]It is false precision. A better approach would be to do what I did - eyeball it and give an eyeball-level estimate that does not pretend to be precise.

No. It is not false precision. The fact is that your computations made no sense. This isn't the first time.

If the the summary had a degree of precision greater than that of the computational figures, you might have been right.

The numbers (of deaths) came from you. The numbers are (or should be) exact - not estimated and not measured.

[paid_influencer]

we look at it like the vaccine prevented (317-120 = 197) hospitalizations.

197/317 = 62% of hospitalizations prevented, which is the rough real-world vaccine effectiveness right now, with all the asterisks on that as redmanjp pointed out.

[adnj]

we look at it like the vaccine prevented (317-120 = 197) hospitalizations.

197/317 = 62% of hospitalizations prevented, which is the rough real-world vaccine effectiveness right now, with all the asterisks on that as redmanjp pointed out.

That is such a made-up piece of bullshitt.

[paid_influencer]

No. It is not false precision. The fact is that your computations made no sense. This isn't the first time.

If the the summary had a degree of precision greater than that of the computational figures, you might have been right.

The numbers (of deaths) came from you. The numbers are (or should be) exact - not estimated.

bro, go to sleep. I never even mentioned the number of deaths.

the computation is based on actual hospitalizations. but you have to take into account those hospitalizations are from a very small space of time on a small island -- and prone to lots of random variation. If you re-run this two-week interval with the same vaccine and all the same factors -- you will get different numbers. It's like picking two random points on a normal distribution. sure the numbers you roll are very firm and palpable, but they are still from that random distribution and the precision of the final statistic is limited by that.

[paid_influencer]

we look at it like the vaccine prevented (317-120 = 197) hospitalizations.

197/317 = 62% of hospitalizations prevented, which is the rough real-world vaccine effectiveness right now, with all the asterisks on that as redmanjp pointed out.

That is such a made-up piece of bullshitt.

okay, you win. I am wrong and you are right.

you are always right, I apologize.

[adnj]

No. It is not false precision. The fact is that your computations made no sense. This isn't the first time.

If the the summary had a degree of precision greater than that of the computational figures, you might have been right.

The numbers (of deaths) came from you. The numbers are (or should be) exact - not estimated.

bro, go to sleep. I never even mentioned the number of deaths.

the computation is based on actual hospitalizations. but you have to take into account those hospitalizations are from a very small space of time on a small island -- and prone to lots of random variation. If you re-run this two-week interval with the same vaccine and all the same factors -- you will get different numbers. It's like picking two random points on a normal distribution. sure the numbers you roll are very firm and palpable, but they are still from that random distribution and the precision of the final statistic is limited by that.

I refuse to read this shitt. Learn to do the math before posting.

[paid_influencer]

I apologize, adnj. I am sorry. Please accept my apology.

[drchaos]

Covid done fellars ...

1.1m new cases yesterday and 5k+ deaths worldwide.

It's not done, but far better than 12 months ago.

People don't care anymore ... They are burnt out and really don't give a sheit.
Just like how people have become numb to the carnage/murders that happen on a day to day basis.

time to go back to normal.
The vaccinated to unvaccinated death ratios rising as well. Natural immunity taking care of the unvaccinated.

In Trinidad, this year only, unvaccinated deaths on Jan 15 were 88% of total; and on Feb 25, unvaccinated deaths were 87% of total.

No other data has been published.

Really? The world is approaching 8 billion humans and you choose to cherry pick the lack of data on a small island with 1.4 million people to disprove a point you know is wrong.

The data across the world shows the vaccinated hospitalizations are increasing vs the unvaccinated.
You just like Rowley in opposition, oppose everything even if its right just cause you in the opposition minority.

[paid_influencer]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/01/heal ... index.html

Vaccine protection against Covid-19 fell substantially for children during Omicron surge
Updated 2133 GMT (0533 HKT) March 1, 2022

(CNN)Many vaccinated kids experienced breakthrough infections during the Omicron surge, though protection against hospitalization remained stronger, a large new government-funded study found.

The study compared the vaccination status of children ages 5 to 17 who were treated for Covid-19 symptoms in emergency departments, urgent care centers and hospitals across 10 states between April 2021 and February 2022. Researchers reviewed records on nearly 40,000 clinic visits and 1,700 hospitalizations. The study was funded by the US Centers for Disease Control and published Tuesday in its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

The CDC study found vaccinated children ages 5 to 11 -- the youngest and most recently vaccinated group -- were about 46% less likely to have Covid-19 that resulted in care at an urgent care clinic or emergency room, compared with children who were unvaccinated.

Previously, protection was 100% against hospitalization.

this is p. bad news