Guyana-Venezuela border dispute

[Redress10]

Throughout history one group has always stolen land from and colonized another but I want to believe in the modern era there has to be some international law against that. Only Israel can do that with impunity. But regardless of outcome is it safe to assume we can now expect more freeloaders sneaking in with the international community encouraging it because of some refugee charter we signed?

I don't understand why he is soo comfortable using colonial maps to establish borders. If Israel could claim Biblical land then countries such as Venezuela can also claim land that they believe they owned before European colonist arrived. He's being very convenient with history.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Breaking News: Senior Government and Military sources have confirmed to News Source that contact has been lost with the crew of a GDF helicopter that was flying in an area close to the Venezuelan border between Arau and Eteringbang.
The GDF has since dispatched Special Forces teams and Search and Rescue teams to the area.
This is a developing story.

[timothymcdavid]

Found they landed because of bad weather.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ no confirmation of that

[FrankChag]

iNdiGeNoUs

nOt iNdIgEnOus

nOt iNdIgEnOus

[timothymcdavid]

What de rass ... now their defense forces saying it wasnt found ... These GT people ... cant even get curry chicken properly.

[teems1]

https://www.southcom.mil/Media/Special- ... inds-2023/

Nations Participating
Guyana (host nation), Bahamas, Belize, Bermuda, Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Dominican Republic, France, Grenada, Haiti, Jamaica, Mexico, the Netherlands, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad and Tobago, the United Kingdom, and the United States.

[VexXx Dogg]

Found they landed because of bad weather.

Source? None of the Guyanese news carrying this

[Cantmis]

Pangea. We are all one !

[triniterribletim]

Which one you all prefer?

Prolonged coflict that destabilising the entire region's security or guyana losing 2/3s of the land?

Guyana population really need all that land? Are they going to starve if they lose essequibo? If you own that much land shouldn't you be capable of defending it yourself? Howcome Venezuela knows not to contest some of Brazil land?

Because Brazil will blow them out, Brazil also tends to be quite brutal when it comes to wars. Last time Paraguay tried to take some Brazilian land they had a good chunk of their population slaughtered. ( The War of the Triple Alliance )

[Dohplaydat]

If it is Guyanese land, which Guyanese would name it Essequibo?

Just curious.

You leave him nah. He have all the answers. Venezuela history started with colonisation. The two major races in Guyana are indos and afros brought by colonial powers to work the land but they somehow own that land.

The dispute started sometime around 1841, slavery had barely ended and Indians had barely arrived and settled in the country. Then Guyana with these new set of ppl gained Independence in 1960s basically creating a whole new country but somehow Dizzy think that all these factors don't play a part in this dispute.

Couldn't that land be considered reparations...

[snowman]

The coincidence of this helicopter missing during this entire ordeal is very... Weird.

[Dizzy28]

Lives In an English speaking country named Trinidad and has a capital named Port of Spain but wondering about the name Essequibo. Alluh fellas just out to show alluh ignorance

If it is Guyanese land, which Guyanese would name it Essequibo?

Just curious.

You leave him nah. He have all the answers. Venezuela history started with colonisation. The two major races in Guyana are indos and afros brought by colonial powers to work the land but they somehow own that land.

The dispute started sometime around 1841, slavery had barely ended and Indians had barely arrived and settled in the country. Then Guyana with these new set of ppl gained Independence in 1960s basically creating a whole new country but somehow Dizzy think that all these factors don't play a part in this dispute.

[maj. tom]

Ah gearings up ah Call of Duty mod call CoD Jungle Prey. It have a big plot twist for the conflicting parties when they go deep in the Amazon bush. Arnold might get some royalty money from it.

[Redress10]

If it is Guyanese land, which Guyanese would name it Essequibo?

Just curious.

You leave him nah. He have all the answers. Venezuela history started with colonisation. The two major races in Guyana are indos and afros brought by colonial powers to work the land but they somehow own that land.

The dispute started sometime around 1841, slavery had barely ended and Indians had barely arrived and settled in the country. Then Guyana with these new set of ppl gained Independence in 1960s basically creating a whole new country but somehow Dizzy think that all these factors don't play a part in this dispute.

Couldn't that land be considered reparations...

I have had similar thoughts in the past but I disagree. I think the caribbean construct is a unique thing that we haven't truly understood and these sort of questions will start popping up sooner or later. We still haven't admitted that it was never the british land to give. Unless we are legitimising conquest now and if we do then we should just stop speaking negatively about colonisation etc

I think the caribbean leaders who sought independence didn't quite realise what being independent truly meant and the need for allies for military protection etc. Guyana wouldn't have this problem if they were still a british colony. The brits would have simply parked a couple warships in Guyana waters.

Personally, I believe 100 or 200 years from now the ethnic composition of trinidad would closer resemble venezuela than ppl like us currently. Resulting in the cultures and ppl forming closer ties and possibly even being absorbed into the mainland. I don't think the caribbean region in its current form is sustainable. It's going to require drastic changes to ensure that the region thrives and survives.

You have to remember trinis migrating and they emigrating here. You can't walk on the road without seeing a venezuelan now.

[Redress10]

Lives In an English speaking country named Trinidad and has a capital named Port of Spain but wondering about the name Essequibo. Alluh fellas just out to show alluh ignorance

If it is Guyanese land, which Guyanese would name it Essequibo?

Just curious.

You leave him nah. He have all the answers. Venezuela history started with colonisation. The two major races in Guyana are indos and afros brought by colonial powers to work the land but they somehow own that land.

The dispute started sometime around 1841, slavery had barely ended and Indians had barely arrived and settled in the country. Then Guyana with these new set of ppl gained Independence in 1960s basically creating a whole new country but somehow Dizzy think that all these factors don't play a part in this dispute.

You literally proving our points bro. Funny how India and countries in Africa can revert to their native names. Wonder what native names the indians and africans who came here have for trinidad and tobago?

[Dizzy28]

You keep speaking of your point. You haven't actually stated what it is apart from incoherent ramblings about indigenous.

Lives In an English speaking country named Trinidad and has a capital named Port of Spain but wondering about the name Essequibo. Alluh fellas just out to show alluh ignorance

If it is Guyanese land, which Guyanese would name it Essequibo?

Just curious.

You leave him nah. He have all the answers. Venezuela history started with colonisation. The two major races in Guyana are indos and afros brought by colonial powers to work the land but they somehow own that land.

The dispute started sometime around 1841, slavery had barely ended and Indians had barely arrived and settled in the country. Then Guyana with these new set of ppl gained Independence in 1960s basically creating a whole new country but somehow Dizzy think that all these factors don't play a part in this dispute.

You literally proving our points bro. Funny how India and countries in Africa can revert to their native names. Wonder what native names the indians and africans who came here have for trinidad and tobago?

[paid_influencer]

The coincidence of this helicopter missing during this entire ordeal is very... Weird.

this helicopter was on a "border operation" in bad weather

i donno if that sort of adventurism will have natural consequences

everybody hyper-sensitive now because of the sensationalism and fear-mongering.

but i on the side of quiet so i guess i is like the biggest brain tuner here

[The_Honourable]

Brazil urging Venezuela to avoid force or threats against Guyana, says Lula aide

Brazil rejects any use of force by Venezuela to occupy the Esequibo territory in Guyana and will urge the Caracas government not to threaten its neighbor, President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's top foreign policy advisor said on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 023-12-06/

[Redress10]

You keep speaking of your point. You haven't actually stated what it is apart from incoherent ramblings about indigenous.

Lives In an English speaking country named Trinidad and has a capital named Port of Spain but wondering about the name Essequibo. Alluh fellas just out to show alluh ignorance

If it is Guyanese land, which Guyanese would name it Essequibo?

Just curious.

You leave him nah. He have all the answers. Venezuela history started with colonisation. The two major races in Guyana are indos and afros brought by colonial powers to work the land but they somehow own that land.

The dispute started sometime around 1841, slavery had barely ended and Indians had barely arrived and settled in the country. Then Guyana with these new set of ppl gained Independence in 1960s basically creating a whole new country but somehow Dizzy think that all these factors don't play a part in this dispute.

You literally proving our points bro. Funny how India and countries in Africa can revert to their native names. Wonder what native names the indians and africans who came here have for trinidad and tobago?

The point I've been trying to make it this. The current ppl in Guyana comprise mainly of Indian and African descent persons. Both of those ppl were brought to Guyana by colonial powers essentially as free and cheap land. Venezuela has long had disputes about this land going all the way back to 1840s. In 1840s slavery had barely ended and indians had only just arrived in Guyana.

The Venezuelans believe that when the British acquired Guyana from the netherlands they encroached on Venezuelan land. Now this deal was between two colonial powers and Venezuela has been an independent country since 1821 I believe. So this wasn't spanish controlled Venezuela. This was a sovereign country with an idea of what its borders would have been.

Fast forward a century and more, colonial powers begin stripping themselves of their colonial outposts and you have a wave of caribbean countries gaining "independence". These countries are inhabited by ppl who are non latino in a region where they are both an ethnic and cultural minority. The colonial powers pack up and leave and aint even look back to spit.

The ppl inhabiting Guyana now may not be privy to any agreement that was between the british and netherlands. Guyana is a new country post independence.

[Redress10]

The UK ambassador to TT just say that the UK doesn't intend to play any role in the border dispute between the two countries.

Who is the cause of this confusion again?

[MaxPower]

How competent is GDF?

Them fellas trained, competent/current and ready?

[triniterribletim]

Brazil urging Venezuela to avoid force or threats against Guyana, says Lula aide

Brazil rejects any use of force by Venezuela to occupy the Esequibo territory in Guyana and will urge the Caracas government not to threaten its neighbor, President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's top foreign policy advisor said on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 023-12-06/

Gotta give Lula some credit, most people thought he would turn a blind eye to any goings on there. If Bolsonaro was still in power though, this would be a whole different ballgame.

[ed360123]

Brazil urging Venezuela to avoid force or threats against Guyana, says Lula aide

Brazil rejects any use of force by Venezuela to occupy the Esequibo territory in Guyana and will urge the Caracas government not to threaten its neighbor, President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva's top foreign policy advisor said on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/ ... 023-12-06/

Gotta give Lula some credit, most people thought he would turn a blind eye to any goings on there. If Bolsonaro was still in power though, this would be a whole different ballgame.

Also glad he on Guyana side. Talk is cheap though, would Brazil actually help militarily if Vene invades?

Or at the very least, punish them diplomatically?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Throughout history one group has always stolen land from and colonized another but I want to believe in the modern era there has to be some international law against that. Only Israel can do that with impunity. But regardless of outcome is it safe to assume we can now expect more freeloaders sneaking in with the international community encouraging it because of some refugee charter we signed?

I don't understand why he is soo comfortable using colonial maps to establish borders. If Israel could claim Biblical land then countries such as Venezuela can also claim land that they believe they owned before European colonist arrived. He's being very convenient with history.

If some Arawak or Carib or Kalinagos or Tainos show up by your house and say you’re on their land, what do you do?

[teems1]

At this point you can merge this thread with the Israel one.

It's the same argument in both threads.

[ed360123]

I mean, they're both conflicts stemming from long-standing territorial disputes. Obviously there are going to be similar arguments.

Might as well throw in the Russia-Ukraine thread too.

[bluefete]

Guyana urges U.S. military to help defend its borders after Venezuela staked claim to oil-rich region: Biden 'aware' of rising tensions after Maduro sparked invasion fears by ordering teams to drill in contested area
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lling.html


A socialist dictatorship on America's doorstep is sitting on the world's biggest oil reserves - and it's about to invade its neighbor to grab MORE. Now ANDREW NEIL demands: Why is the White House asleep while Venezuela prepares for war?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -NEIL.html

[The_Honourable]

Biden in a bind right now. He can't get a foreign aid package for Ukraine and Israel passed (for now) where public sentiment is against more foreign aid. America is already involved on Guyana's side but how much they will intervene militarily is to be seen. If he sanctions venezuela again, oil prices going up which is going to affect his presidential run in the next 11 months.

Then again is exxonmobil, and venezuela acting up in the US back yard so you never know some of the funds might be diverted away from Ukraine and Isreal to Guyana instead if a war starts.

[Dohplaydat]

Biden in a bind right now. He can't get a foreign aid package for Ukraine and Israel passed (for now) where public sentiment is against more foreign aid. America is already involved on Guyana's side but how much they will intervene militarily is to be seen. If he sanctions venezuela again, oil prices going up which is going to affect his presidential run in the next 11 months.

Then again is exxonmobil, and venezuela acting up in the US back yard so you never know some of the funds might be diverted away from Ukraine and Isreal to Guyana instead if a war starts.

They have to act though.... It's just in what capacity