Race and Crime

[Habit7]

Before i answer all that, you forgot to answer the most important question.

Do you have full confidence in Fitzgerald Hinds?

I don't have full confidence in any politician.

That is not an answer.

I'm asking about Fitzgerald Hinds, not any other politician.

Do you have confidence in him? Yes or No and state your reasons.

Listen, I am very clear. I do not have full confidence in any politician, Fitzgerald Hinds is a politician.

I have ideals and values that I have full confidence in, and to the extent a politician expresses or performs those values, I support them. Hence I can say I support Rushton Paray when he says all of T&T is a hotspot.

But what is your point? My personal view of Hinds is irrelevant. If you think a policy position of his needs to be criticised, criticise it. The value of it doesn't rise or fall based on my opinion of him.

That's the end of kidnapping for a while..that's the only language dey unnastan...

Correct

The only language gangs understand but men waiting on bills to be passed in parliament to address the issue

This is what is highly deceptive.

Police have been killing bandits since Flying Squad days and prior. That has never stopped.

But you are being disingenuous when you say we need draconian action to deal with new wave of crime. But when we could have laws that could make gangs illegal, spy on them, get secure witness statements on them, use CCTV footage in convicting them, the party you support says no. And because you don't want to be ostracised like other UNC supporters who speak out against the party, you have to quietly agree with the notion that criminals have rights too.

But only when the gang organise the kidnapping, execute it and almost a week later police have to deal with the miscreants you are saying we don't need new legislation. I beg to differ.

[zoom rader]

My message is to TRULY not see any crime as committed by this ethnicity or another. Deal with criminals as individuals, not as a group to stereotype.

Otherwise, why stop at race? The majority of crimes are committed by men regardless of race. Should the govt GPS all men? Should men be given a curfew? Since the majority of sexual offences are committed by men should all men be chemically castrated by infusing the WASA water supply?

Stigmatising all men is stupid and just as stupid as stigmatising any one ethnicity based on any crime. Deal with ppl as individuals.

PNM in charge and they have all the powers to deal and curtail crime.

What's ur problem?

[zoom rader]

Before i answer all that, you forgot to answer the most important question.

Do you have full confidence in Fitzgerald Hinds?

I don't have full confidence in any politician.

That is not an answer.

I'm asking about Fitzgerald Hinds, not any other politician.

Do you have confidence in him? Yes or No and state your reasons.

Listen, I am very clear. I do not have full confidence in any politician, Fitzgerald Hinds is a politician.

I have ideals and values that I have full confidence in, and to the extent a politician expresses or performs those values, I support them. Hence I can say I support Rushton Paray when he says all of T&T is a hotspot.

But what is your point? My personal view of Hinds is irrelevant. If you think a policy position of his needs to be criticised, criticise it. The value of it doesn't rise or fall based on my opinion of him.

He was not asking about your ideals and values.

It's yes or no.

Do u have full confidence in Hindz?

[The_Honourable]

That's the end of kidnapping for a while..that's the only language dey unnastan...

Correct

The only language gangs understand but men waiting on bills to be passed in parliament to address the issue

This is what is highly deceptive.

Police have been killing bandits since Flying Squad days and prior. That has never stopped.

But you are being disingenuous when you say we need draconian action to deal with new wave of crime. But when we could have laws that could make gangs illegal, spy on them, get secure witness statements on them, use CCTV footage in convicting them, the party you support says no. And because you don't want to be ostracised like other UNC supporters who speak out against the party, you have to quietly agree with the notion that criminals have rights too.

But only when the gang organise the kidnapping, execute it and almost a week later police have to deal with the miscreants you are saying we don't need new legislation. I beg to differ.

Well you can beg to differ all you want. TTPS send home 4 yesterday and you sitting down like a beh beh waiting on bill.

What TTPS did yesterday is highly commendable, but we need it on a consistent basis. Not the one off every few months for you to bawl "granny wukkin".

We need the police to be killing off bandits and dismantle the gangs like six, seven, resistance, rasta city, muslim, etc in full draconian force. At the same time, you deal with the financiers and importers.

There is no "new wave". It's the same wave we are dealing with for over two decades that has metastasized like a cancer.

[The_Honourable]

Before i answer all that, you forgot to answer the most important question.

Do you have full confidence in Fitzgerald Hinds?

I don't have full confidence in any politician.

That is not an answer.

I'm asking about Fitzgerald Hinds, not any other politician.

Do you have confidence in him? Yes or No and state your reasons.

Listen, I am very clear. I do not have full confidence in any politician, Fitzgerald Hinds is a politician.

I have ideals and values that I have full confidence in, and to the extent a politician expresses or performs those values, I support them. Hence I can say I support Rushton Paray when he says all of T&T is a hotspot.

But what is your point? My personal view of Hinds is irrelevant. If you think a policy position of his needs to be criticised, criticise it. The value of it doesn't rise or fall based on my opinion of him.

He was not asking about your ideals and values.

It's yes or no.

Do u have full confidence in Hindz?

And we still waiting for a proper answer Habit. You are answering everything else, even bringing posts from others cheds in here to continue making your argument but ducking the most important question.

Hard to put your three paragraphs together on why you have full confidence in Hinds eh?

[pugboy]

he is ducking expert
ask him if he watch the vid of rowlee admitting he does interfere with ful approvals

[Habit7]

Well you can beg to differ all you want. TTPS send home 4 yesterday and you sitting down like a beh beh waiting on bill.

What TTPS did yesterday is highly commendable, but we need it on a consistent basis. Not the one off every few months for you to bawl "granny wukkin".

We need the police to be killing off bandits and dismantle the gangs like six, seven, resistance, rasta city, muslim, etc in full draconian force. At the same time, you deal with the financiers and importers.

There is no "new wave". It's the same wave we are dealing with for over two decades that has metastasized like a cancer.

Nobody is asking for legislation for police to respond with deadly force. Every police department in the world can do that. However the TTPS and the govt is asking for strong anti gang legislation and the UNC is saying no. Why don’t you demand that as well?

Andh we still waiting for a proper answer Habit. You are answering everything else, even bringing posts from others cheds in here to continue making your argument but ducking the most important question.

Hard to put your three paragraphs together on why you have full confidence in Hinds eh?

Listen, I am very clear. I do not have full confidence in any politician, Fitzgerald Hinds is a politician.

I have ideals and values that I have full confidence in, and to the extent a politician expresses or performs those values, I support them. Hence I can say I support Rushton Paray when he says all of T&T is a hotspot.

But what is your point? My personal view of Hinds is irrelevant. If you think a policy position of his needs to be criticised, criticise it. The value of it doesn't rise or fall based on my opinion of him.

I don’t have full confidence in Fitzgerald Hinds.

[alfa]

So are you saying we cannot arrest criminals in gangs doing gang related crime without an anti gang bill? So 6 and 8 rifle hill could kill out up to whatever numbers these fully dunce can count to and do so with impunity because Kamla didn't pass a bill? These lil hoodlums we're seeing in videos recently, do they have FULs for the weapons they possess? That alone is enough to pepper they MC with lead like the police did yesterday. I also you noticed you commended the cops on yesterday's action but when I suggested the army draw them out into engaging in a gun battle and finish them off you have an issue with that. In both cases you get them to fire first and respond with deadly force, but I'm probably a percieved UNC supporter so obviously I want one race to kill out the other just like Rowley said right?

[Habit7]

So are you saying we cannot arrest criminals in gangs doing gang related crime without an anti gang bill? So 6 and 8 rifle hill could kill out up to whatever numbers these fully dunce can count to and do so with impunity because Kamla didn't pass a bill?

When you and others make statements like this it makes me realise that the reason why you are opposing or can't answer is because you are ignorant about the topic. We don't need anti-gang legislation to" arrest criminals in gangs doing gang related crime". It is to make gang membership and recruitment illegal BEFORE they perform "gang related crime." It was first passed under the PP but a sunset clause made it unenforceable. When the PNM tried to pass it the UNC said no so the PNM could only pass a watered-down version that needed only a simple majority. So we don't have to wait until they home invade or kidnap, we can arrest them before. So I reject your strawman above.

I also you noticed you commended the cops on yesterday's action but when I suggested the army draw them out into engaging in a gun battle and finish them off you have an issue with that.

Did you have this discussion in your head? When did I have an issue with the army? The TTDF can operate with TTPS, if somebody engages them in a firefight they are free to score headshots. Who had a problem with that?

[alfa]

So are you saying we cannot arrest criminals in gangs doing gang related crime without an anti gang bill? So 6 and 8 rifle hill could kill out up to whatever numbers these fully dunce can count to and do so with impunity because Kamla didn't pass a bill?

When you and others make statements like this it makes me realise that the reason why you are opposing or can't answer is because you are ignorant about the topic. We don't need anti-gang legislation to" arrest criminals in gangs doing gang related crime". It is to make gang membership and recruitment illegal BEFORE they perform "gang related crime." It was first passed under the PP but a sunset clause made it unenforceable. When the PNM tried to pass it the UNC said no so the PNM could only pass a watered-down version that needed only a simple majority. So we don't have to wait until they home invade or kidnap, we can arrest them before. So I reject your strawman above.

I also you noticed you commended the cops on yesterday's action but when I suggested the army draw them out into engaging in a gun battle and finish them off you have an issue with that.

Did you have this discussion in your head? When did I have an issue with the army? The TTDF can operate with TTPS, if somebody engages them in a firefight they are free to score headshots. Who had a problem with that?

Well if according to the bill you can arrest someone before the commit a crime just by virtue is being in a gang the UNC had a right not to support it. If Rowley and his minions don't like me they could say I'm part of a gang, be it cepep gang or whatever they feel like and arrest me. I with kamla on this one

[Habit7]

Well if according to the bill you can arrest someone before the commit a crime just by virtue is being in a gang the UNC had a right not to support it. If Rowley and his minions don't like me they could say I'm part of a gang, be it cepep gang or whatever they feel like and arrest me. I with kamla on this one

But were you with Kamla when she passed the same law in 2011 with PNM support?

[alfa]

Well if according to the bill you can arrest someone before the commit a crime just by virtue is being in a gang the UNC had a right not to support it. If Rowley and his minions don't like me they could say I'm part of a gang, be it cepep gang or whatever they feel like and arrest me. I with kamla on this one

But were you with Kamla when she passed the same law in 2011 with PNM support?

Now look who throwing strawman arguements

[Habit7]

That is not a strawman fallacy, that is a question.

[alfa]

That is not a strawman fallacy, that is a question.

I wasn't even taking on the bill back then as crime wasn't as bad. And yeah if i the original bill made it possible for anyone to get arrested without actually committing a crime then no I wouldn't support

[redmanjp]

i think the gang has to have committed or conspired to commit crimes to be recognized as a gang legally.

so maybe if 'resistance' genuinely has never committed crimes then perhaps they are not considered a gang.

[Habit7]

Thought experiment:

You are minister of national security now and it is quite likely there will be a home invasion somewhere tomorrow. What do you think you can do to prevent it?

Bring the army into the well known hot spot areas. Lock of all access routes and start searching every house for guns and contraban, better yet engage the pests in a gunfight. Have a mortar team on standby in case they want to use an abandoned buildings as a vantage point and a light machine gun team to deal with any armed pest who wants to make a getaway. The psychological shock on seeing that the govt is actually serious about eliminating pests will deter other pests from all over the country.

But here you are without ppl committing a crime, you wanted to restrict their movement, search their property, shoot them and bomb them but you draw the line at gang affiliation?

You know you are violently contradicting yourself right now.

[alfa]

Thought experiment:

You are minister of national security now and it is quite likely there will be a home invasion somewhere tomorrow. What do you think you can do to prevent it?

Bring the army into the well known hot spot areas. Lock of all access routes and start searching every house for guns and contraban, better yet engage the pests in a gunfight. Have a mortar team on standby in case they want to use an abandoned buildings as a vantage point and a light machine gun team to deal with any armed pest who wants to make a getaway. The psychological shock on seeing that the govt is actually serious about eliminating pests will deter other pests from all over the country.

But here you are without ppl committing a crime, you wanted to restrict their movement, search their property, shoot them and bomb them but you draw the line at gang affiliation?

You know you are violently contradicting yourself right now.

If you could read you would have seen where I referred to pests. I never said bomb innocent people or those who didn't respond with armed force. I'm not Israel

[pugboy]

i be am sure law abiding folks in those areas would welcome soe to clamp down on the illegal activities

[alfa]

so to get around anti gang act they call themself a 'family'

From 8.40 the 'family member' said without the guns ninjas would roll through and leave people stiff on the ground.
Other lil ninjas does flow through and they have to kill to defend.

They could say this on camera, faces of the gunmen clearly identified, mount St Benedict in the area of the house perched precariously of the edge and Id plates on cars visible but still no one will be arrested. Habit will say it's because kamla didn't support the full bill

[gastly369]

i be am sure law abiding folks in those areas would welcome soe to clamp down on the illegal activities

It have any?

[Habit7]

Thought experiment:

You are minister of national security now and it is quite likely there will be a home invasion somewhere tomorrow. What do you think you can do to prevent it?

Bring the army into the well known hot spot areas. Lock of all access routes and start searching every house for guns and contraban, better yet engage the pests in a gunfight. Have a mortar team on standby in case they want to use an abandoned buildings as a vantage point and a light machine gun team to deal with any armed pest who wants to make a getaway. The psychological shock on seeing that the govt is actually serious about eliminating pests will deter other pests from all over the country.

But here you are without ppl committing a crime, you wanted to restrict their movement, search their property, shoot them and bomb them but you draw the line at gang affiliation?

You know you are violently contradicting yourself right now.

If you could read you would have seen where I referred to pests. I never said bomb innocent people or those who didn't respond with armed force. I'm not Israel

You never limited it to anybody. Innocent ppl live in hotspots, when you "Lock of all access routes and start searching every house for guns" that is violation of ppl's constitutional rights. When you use mortar, esp in a residental area, the shrapnel is not differentiating between innocent and guilty.

It is funny see the cognitive dissonance as you are trying to reconcile your contradicting views.

Plus you keep representing it as ppl being arrested before committing a crime. The law makes gang membership a crime, much like making seditious statements or being part of a seditious group is a crime.

You keep trying to talk about things you dont quite understand. E.g Kashif Sankar aka Kman 6ixx was arrested for gang membership https://tt.loopnews.com/content/kman-6i ... membership

[alfa]

Well they could always do it your way, arrest people for squatting and illegal vending hoping the broken windows theory will take effect in a few decades. Try to change the cultural mindset of a third world country in a following few decades and in the meantime who dead dead. Your prime minister used that statement before
Btw you haven't commented on the video posted where good boys talk about ninjas killing ninjas. That have FULs for those guns? You think anyone will get arrested and if not you going blame kamla to?

[Gladiator]

Thought experiment:

You are minister of national security now and it is quite likely there will be a home invasion somewhere tomorrow. What do you think you can do to prevent it?

Just command Juliet Davey to call off her Jackals and reverse the order that was given just before the home invasions started

[shake d livin wake d dead]

One note worthy thing from those videos.......govt oppressing everybody.

[gastly369]

One note worthy thing from those videos.......govt oppressing everybody.

They want gov to spoon feed dey MC lazy ass using the working class ppl money... Talking bout missing money in treasury... Dem had any input stupesss

[pugboy]

“govt not doing anything for we”
“we not on gang war, we on money only”
“it have nothing for the youths here”

One note worthy thing from those videos.......govt oppressing everybody.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

We "only on love" but walking around with m16, ar, shotgun etc

We only on $ but home during the day
Govt oppressing the youths
Police wicked

Usual rhetoric in every single one of those videos but men in here blind to that

[pugboy]

“is them other gang on we, we is for peace”

[shake d livin wake d dead]

And there is nothing more idiotic than
7s for life and
Sixxx outside

[zoom rader]

And there is nothing more idiotic than
7s for life and
Sixxx outside

Habit7 support these people cause they are all part of the PNM voting bank. Bring these pest to justis and u we see has fast their family members will abstain or not vote for PNM. As PNM say they know these gangs members, but wanf is being done????

Then u have mero who shows open support for these pest, its his brotherhood being.

Then all these lil pest leads to the bigger pest the so called decent folk, the ones that people like eliteauto-tuntun will lick their arse or feel good rubbing shoulders with them just to be known.

Trinidad is stink and rotten and filled will, evil, nasty and pretentiousness people.