Columbus ships to be removed from T&T Coat of Arms

[matix]

Meanwhile TCL is secretly being sold to the Chinese but idiots studying a coat of PNM.


Kick PNM out

Isn’t TCL Mexican owned a few years now? CEMEX?

[zoom rader]

Meanwhile TCL is secretly being sold to the Chinese but idiots studying a coat of PNM.


Kick PNM out

Isn’t TCL Mexican owned a few years now? CEMEX?

Its in the process of been sold to the Chinese with Chinese Labor.

[zoom rader]

Trinidad is not a military country so the Independence Day marches - colonial

celebrating Independence from the colonizers is colonial?

Celebrating it with a military procession associated with your colonial masters is

U have to understand that Rowlee stole an election by bringing racism in to it. This was done by pulling Africans back in to the Slave camp by tell these sheep that other ppl said he was " too black to be prime minister "


Now the same racist approach is been made by telling his sheep the ships will be removed and installed by a Black invention.

All of this is to trump support from the African Vote.

[The Bamboo Online]

Nice idea wrong timing obviously it’s not important for the country to put cash into this as a whole with so many other things going wrong…..is a classic act of looking for some project to steal money out of. Cost to replace all versions of the coat of arms off all government buildings locally and around the world docs and money. Endless options to swipe some cash eat ah food galore. Hard for us to see where cash flow leaks are happening or where it happened.

[viedcht]

Money tiefin some way.

[st7]

Captain Keith says that the deck chairs on the Trintanic need some rearranging. Pay no attention to the gaping hole in the side of the vessel.

gypsy sang about dat self ages ago- new captain and tings even worse

[MaxPower]

Focus on removing the blasted crime.

Trinis priorities always in a hot mess.

[zoom rader]

While this is smoke screen


It was PNM that wrote the anthem , design the flag and coat of arms, but they want to move away from colonialism..


See how stupid this is.


Kick PNM out

[pugboy]

and everybody ain’t realize all the pappy show talk bout constitutional reform has been rejected same time

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/C9z3XCe4P1cK31iC/?

[zoom rader]

and everybody ain’t realize all the pappy show talk bout constitutional reform has been rejected same time

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/C9z3XCe4P1cK31iC/?

Yes Smoke screen

Even some some tuners dont see this.

[pugboy]

standard operating procedure

1: reject and do thing to keep your dictatorship
2: throw out a nationwide diversion
3: laugh at the memes
4: blame kamla

[zoom rader]

standard operating procedure

1: reject and do thing to keep your dictatorship
2: throw out a nationwide diversion
3: laugh at the memes

Blame kams

[pugboy]

fixed

[wing]

and everybody ain’t realize all the pappy show talk bout constitutional reform has been rejected same time

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/C9z3XCe4P1cK31iC/?

Yes Smoke screen

Even some some tuners dont see this.

Rowley can do whatever he wants and get away with it because of lickers like you and the indos of this country that study to drink rum, show off and fight down each other. All the while, the 1% and the PNM laughing at you complaining and crying. Easy money giving away riling up the stupid on the internet.

[sMASH]

Right now they talking about financial "inclusion".
The eu want to do the cbdc with trinidad . They trying to sell it as trying to get the 70% of businesses that don't do banking or e transactions , into teh formal banking system.
But when they do thst, it will be to push the cbdc, and they can switch off ur money according to what ever they determine and make ur digital money only able to to buy some things and not others.


And when that switch come, it would be illegal to transact out side of it.

[wing]

Kick out the PNM in total meltdown over the coat of arms. Look how easy to distract the stupid. Dumbass and them studying Spectre and Columbus ship while PNM doing ground work in the marginals. Easy money to rile up the stupid on the internet.

[zoom rader]

Kick out the PNM in total meltdown over the coat of arms. Look how easy to distract the stupid. Dumbass and them studying Spectre and Columbus ship while PNM doing ground work in the marginals. Easy money to rile up the stupid on the internet.

A fool and his vote for PNM is soon parted.

Meanwhile Ramlal, Chin, and 1% making a lil money or taking education. Even 5 yr old Hernandez taking education.

You see whos left behind


Kick PNM out

[redmanjp]

Right now they talking about financial "inclusion".
The eu want to do the cbdc with trinidad . They trying to sell it as trying to get the 70% of businesses that don't do banking or e transactions , into teh formal banking system.
But when they do thst, it will be to push the cbdc, and they can switch off ur money according to what ever they determine and make ur digital money only able to to buy some things and not others.


And when that switch come, it would be illegal to transact out side of it.

yep- mark of d beast system

[Mmoney607]

All them youths on urban radio station who don't have 5 cxc passes say they agree with rowley. And they also say "it ha rel thing out here for the yutes and them that the govt doing"

[The_Honourable]

A fool and his vote for PNM is soon parted.

Meanwhile Ramlal, Chin, and 1% making a lil money or taking education. Even 5 yr old Hernandez taking education.

You see whos left behind


Kick PNM out

It's a bit deeper than that, but in plain view

One group studying symbolism while another gets state land to build businesses such as amusement parks and hotels with multi-year tax breaks.

One is persuaded by parables and promises from politicians while another gets tangibles and other benefits from said politicians.

We get what we deserve.

[zoom rader]

All them youths on urban radio station who don't have 5 cxc passes say they agree with rowley. And they also say "it ha rel thing out here for the yutes and them that the govt doing"

Thats wings generation

I said many time before PNM voters lack reasoning & critical thinking

Kick PNM out

[zoom rader]

A fool and his vote for PNM is soon parted.

Meanwhile Ramlal, Chin, and 1% making a lil money or taking education. Even 5 yr old Hernandez taking education.

You see whos left behind


Kick PNM out

It's a bit deeper than that, but in plain view

One group studying symbolism while another gets state land to build businesses such as amusement parks and hotels with multi-year tax breaks.

One is persuaded by parables and promises from politicians while another gets tangibles and other benefits from said politicians.

We get what we deserve.

This is why I keep saying PNM is a racist cult.


My black people are getting left behind.


Kick PNM out

[wing]

All them youths on urban radio station who don't have 5 cxc passes say they agree with rowley. And they also say "it ha rel thing out here for the yutes and them that the govt doing"

Go back to padarath nah Moonilal. Even king Kant knows what the PNM doing for the youth.

[The_Honourable]

Association: Tassa more local than steelpan

... Minister, Pan Trinbago boss disagree as Coat of Arms debate rages

The Tassa Association of Trinidad and Tobago (TATT) has joined the debate on the altering of the Coat of Arms, boldly claiming that the tassa drum is more of a local instrument than the steelpan.

TATT’s assertion came hours after Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley stated that the simple reason the steelpan was considered for the new Coat of Arms, where it will replace Christopher Columbus’ three ships, is because that instrument was invented here and is indigenous to this country.

Dr Keith Rowley made the coment during the PNM’s La Horquetta/Talparo Constituency Conference at Phase II, La Horquetta, on Tuesday night, where he noted that as much as people may like the tassa and other instruments, their origins are from other countries.

But while acknowledging and supporting the steelpan as this country’s first national instrument, TATT yesterday said, “No part of the steel drum is from T&T, as it is a fully imported metal container that came from other countries into Trinidad.”

In contrast, TATT said the tassa, which is also played every day in this country, is fully made with no imported materials.

“The skin is from our local goat, sheep or deer, the sticks are made from T&T wild sugarcane, the bowl is made from T&T clay and the bass is made from the mango tree,” TATT said, adding that even the tamboo bamboo instrument is more indigenous to this country than the steelpan.

Offering its version of the history of the steelpan, TATT said, “What was done in Trinidad with the imported steel drums was the retuning and fine-tuning the steel drum/ pan into a full musical instrument.”

TATT claimed the imported steel drum metal container already came with a sound. However, it thanked this nation’s ancestors for rebelling against their colonial masters to set off a chain of events which led to the creation of the steelpan.

“If the then colonial rulers did not ban the sound of what they called noisy sounds of the bamboo and biscuit tins, accusing the slaves of communicating via those instruments, today we would not have known about the steel drum as an instrument as we know it, because the discarded empty steel drums were then used and it started with a two-note called the dudop,” TATT said.

However, even with that historical context TATT maintained, “To compare both instruments, it’s clear the steel drum is a foreign metal instrument and the tassa is a 100 per cent local instrument.”

But Minister of Tourism, Culture and the Arts Randal Mitchell vehemently disagrees with TATT.

While telling Guardian Media he does not wish to be drawn into the “dog whistling that some find it necessary to engage in on the issue,” Mitchell argued, “The issue was never about whether the goat or the goat’s skin was imported or not. It is about invention. There is one musical instrument that was invented and developed in Trinidad and Tobago. That musical instrument is the steelpan.”

He added, “And it is the fact that the steelpan was invented here, as well as the careful process of converting a discarded oil drum into a percussive musical instrument, and the value added by our skilled producers and tuners that allowed us, through Pan Trinbago, to gain a Geographical Indication from the Intellectual Property Office.”

Meanwhile, Pan Trinbago president Beverley Ramsey-Moore also refused to be drawn into a debate with TATT. However, she sought to underscore, “Pan is Trinidad and Tobago, it is not an African thing, it is not an Indian thing, it is not a Chinese thing, it is not a Syrian thing or any of the other races, it is a Trinidad and Tobago instrument.”

Ramsey-Moore said the pan fraternity was honoured and excited with the proposed inclusion of the instrument on the Coat of Arms. She said a lot of hard work went into ensuring that the steelpan was legally recognised as this country’s national instrument.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/associa ... a7e89adf3a

[Les Bain]

Was now coming to post that.

A little more, and local ethnic groups will come forward like it's a "and my sword! and my axe" comedy routine. If we must remove the ships, why not leave the shield clean?

Also, be careful sharing them altered coats of arms. That kekking will easily turn to tears.

[Dizzy28]

Trinis will try and get rid of everything linked to the colonizer except the colonizers religion and their own names.

[zoom rader]

Association: Tassa more local than steelpan

... Minister, Pan Trinbago boss disagree as Coat of Arms debate rages

The Tassa Association of Trinidad and Tobago (TATT) has joined the debate on the altering of the Coat of Arms, boldly claiming that the tassa drum is more of a local instrument than the steelpan.

TATT’s assertion came hours after Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley stated that the simple reason the steelpan was considered for the new Coat of Arms, where it will replace Christopher Columbus’ three ships, is because that instrument was invented here and is indigenous to this country.

Dr Keith Rowley made the coment during the PNM’s La Horquetta/Talparo Constituency Conference at Phase II, La Horquetta, on Tuesday night, where he noted that as much as people may like the tassa and other instruments, their origins are from other countries.

But while acknowledging and supporting the steelpan as this country’s first national instrument, TATT yesterday said, “No part of the steel drum is from T&T, as it is a fully imported metal container that came from other countries into Trinidad.”

In contrast, TATT said the tassa, which is also played every day in this country, is fully made with no imported materials.

“The skin is from our local goat, sheep or deer, the sticks are made from T&T wild sugarcane, the bowl is made from T&T clay and the bass is made from the mango tree,” TATT said, adding that even the tamboo bamboo instrument is more indigenous to this country than the steelpan.

Offering its version of the history of the steelpan, TATT said, “What was done in Trinidad with the imported steel drums was the retuning and fine-tuning the steel drum/ pan into a full musical instrument.”

TATT claimed the imported steel drum metal container already came with a sound. However, it thanked this nation’s ancestors for rebelling against their colonial masters to set off a chain of events which led to the creation of the steelpan.

“If the then colonial rulers did not ban the sound of what they called noisy sounds of the bamboo and biscuit tins, accusing the slaves of communicating via those instruments, today we would not have known about the steel drum as an instrument as we know it, because the discarded empty steel drums were then used and it started with a two-note called the dudop,” TATT said.

However, even with that historical context TATT maintained, “To compare both instruments, it’s clear the steel drum is a foreign metal instrument and the tassa is a 100 per cent local instrument.”

But Minister of Tourism, Culture and the Arts Randal Mitchell vehemently disagrees with TATT.

While telling Guardian Media he does not wish to be drawn into the “dog whistling that some find it necessary to engage in on the issue,” Mitchell argued, “The issue was never about whether the goat or the goat’s skin was imported or not. It is about invention. There is one musical instrument that was invented and developed in Trinidad and Tobago. That musical instrument is the steelpan.”

He added, “And it is the fact that the steelpan was invented here, as well as the careful process of converting a discarded oil drum into a percussive musical instrument, and the value added by our skilled producers and tuners that allowed us, through Pan Trinbago, to gain a Geographical Indication from the Intellectual Property Office.”

Meanwhile, Pan Trinbago president Beverley Ramsey-Moore also refused to be drawn into a debate with TATT. However, she sought to underscore, “Pan is Trinidad and Tobago, it is not an African thing, it is not an Indian thing, it is not a Chinese thing, it is not a Syrian thing or any of the other races, it is a Trinidad and Tobago instrument.”

Ramsey-Moore said the pan fraternity was honoured and excited with the proposed inclusion of the instrument on the Coat of Arms. She said a lot of hard work went into ensuring that the steelpan was legally recognised as this country’s national instrument.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/associa ... a7e89adf3a

Bullśhit injuns agains

Tassa is not Local, Fiji & Mauritius has Indians same as Trinidad and they play Tassa almost exactly like Trinidad. Tassa is not indigenous to Trinidad and only one part of India uses it

If anything the Dantaal belongs to Trinidad as only Trinidad & Suriname uses it. Nowhere in India is the Dantaal used and it is not known


Trinidad is full of Bullśhit

[MG Man]

Was now coming to post that.

A little more, and local ethnic groups will come forward like it's a "and my sword! and my axe" comedy routine. If we must remove the ships, why not leave the shield clean?

Also, be careful sharing them altered coats of arms. That kekking will easily turn to tears.

they wanna cast off all the trappings of colonialism and sketchy past, but still utilizing a coat of arms? That's a european thing

[wing]

Association: Tassa more local than steelpan

... Minister, Pan Trinbago boss disagree as Coat of Arms debate rages

The Tassa Association of Trinidad and Tobago (TATT) has joined the debate on the altering of the Coat of Arms, boldly claiming that the tassa drum is more of a local instrument than the steelpan.

TATT’s assertion came hours after Prime Minister Dr Keith Rowley stated that the simple reason the steelpan was considered for the new Coat of Arms, where it will replace Christopher Columbus’ three ships, is because that instrument was invented here and is indigenous to this country.

Dr Keith Rowley made the coment during the PNM’s La Horquetta/Talparo Constituency Conference at Phase II, La Horquetta, on Tuesday night, where he noted that as much as people may like the tassa and other instruments, their origins are from other countries.

But while acknowledging and supporting the steelpan as this country’s first national instrument, TATT yesterday said, “No part of the steel drum is from T&T, as it is a fully imported metal container that came from other countries into Trinidad.”

In contrast, TATT said the tassa, which is also played every day in this country, is fully made with no imported materials.

“The skin is from our local goat, sheep or deer, the sticks are made from T&T wild sugarcane, the bowl is made from T&T clay and the bass is made from the mango tree,” TATT said, adding that even the tamboo bamboo instrument is more indigenous to this country than the steelpan.

Offering its version of the history of the steelpan, TATT said, “What was done in Trinidad with the imported steel drums was the retuning and fine-tuning the steel drum/ pan into a full musical instrument.”

TATT claimed the imported steel drum metal container already came with a sound. However, it thanked this nation’s ancestors for rebelling against their colonial masters to set off a chain of events which led to the creation of the steelpan.

“If the then colonial rulers did not ban the sound of what they called noisy sounds of the bamboo and biscuit tins, accusing the slaves of communicating via those instruments, today we would not have known about the steel drum as an instrument as we know it, because the discarded empty steel drums were then used and it started with a two-note called the dudop,” TATT said.

However, even with that historical context TATT maintained, “To compare both instruments, it’s clear the steel drum is a foreign metal instrument and the tassa is a 100 per cent local instrument.”

But Minister of Tourism, Culture and the Arts Randal Mitchell vehemently disagrees with TATT.

While telling Guardian Media he does not wish to be drawn into the “dog whistling that some find it necessary to engage in on the issue,” Mitchell argued, “The issue was never about whether the goat or the goat’s skin was imported or not. It is about invention. There is one musical instrument that was invented and developed in Trinidad and Tobago. That musical instrument is the steelpan.”

He added, “And it is the fact that the steelpan was invented here, as well as the careful process of converting a discarded oil drum into a percussive musical instrument, and the value added by our skilled producers and tuners that allowed us, through Pan Trinbago, to gain a Geographical Indication from the Intellectual Property Office.”

Meanwhile, Pan Trinbago president Beverley Ramsey-Moore also refused to be drawn into a debate with TATT. However, she sought to underscore, “Pan is Trinidad and Tobago, it is not an African thing, it is not an Indian thing, it is not a Chinese thing, it is not a Syrian thing or any of the other races, it is a Trinidad and Tobago instrument.”

Ramsey-Moore said the pan fraternity was honoured and excited with the proposed inclusion of the instrument on the Coat of Arms. She said a lot of hard work went into ensuring that the steelpan was legally recognised as this country’s national instrument.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/associa ... a7e89adf3a

And that is the rum shop logic and racist mentality that is typical of the opposition voters and their party. These people are just making it so easy for the PNM to retain government, almost don't even have to campaign.

[alfa]

Tassa isn't indigenous to Trinidad but the steel pan is. It's the only instrument to be invented in the 20th century so it has more right than the tassa to be on the coat of arms.
However do we even have a patent for the pan? Who is now mass producing it while we're still hustling for old barrel and manually producing each one? If we're being real about the above the shield should just remain blank