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Poor air conditioning performance

Postby Chemical » July 20th, 2007, 12:29 pm

Warmer days are here at last. Outside temperatures may be pleasant but vehicle interior temperatures soon become very uncomfortable if the vehicle has been sitting in the sun: yes, it's air conditioning season again.

You often hear the words: my air conditioning worked fine but it just doesn't seem to keep things as cool now. There may be several reasons.


The most likely cause of poor air conditioning performance is a partial loss of refrigerant. R134a, the refrigerant used in automotive air conditioning systems will leak out of the smallest openings. In fact, it is normal for slight amounts of R134a to leak out. The seals on the compressor shaft, connections at pipe fittings and hose couplings are potential sources of leakage. Even the hoses used on the a/c system can let refrigerant leak through the rubber, although hoses used for more than a decade use a barrier layer in the hose to reduce leaks. Over the course of several years, more refrigerant may need to be added.

Before a service technician adds any refrigerant, they will inspect the system for leaks. A sophisticated electronic leak detector is used to "sniff" for any leaks. It will detect the R134a even if there are only a few parts per million in the sample. The technician slowly moves the probe around all joints and across the bottom of air conditioning components. Refrigerant is heavier than air, so leaks can be detected easier at the bottom of components. If no leaks are detected, then the system can be recharged. If a leak is found, it must be repaired before refrigerant can be added.

Large leaks, such as occurs when a compressor seal fails rapidly, or the vehicle is in a collision and the a/c condensor is punctured, may require more than just replacing the damaged part. A/C systems contain a drier agent to remove residual moisture from the system. If moisture were in the system, it could freeze and prevent the cooling cycle from occurring. The drier agent is located in either the receiver/drier or the accumulator, depending on the type of air conditioning system on the vehicle. If the system has been open for a few hours, the drier agent will absorb moisture from the air and it is no longer effective. The receiver/drier or accumulator must be replaced too.

Cooling the vehicle interior is done by removing heat to the outside. This heat is dissipated to the outside air by the condensor located in front of the radiator. Anything that prevents air flow through the condensor will reduce the cooling ability of the a/c system (like those tuners with large aftermarket intercoolers in front of the rad. !!!). Remember to inspect the condensor and radiator for leaves and debris plugging the fins. Look closely between the condensor and radiator, as this area can trap a lot of fuzz and it is often overlooked. While inspecting the condensor, also check for missing rubber and foam seals that direct airflow into the condensor. Many vehicles take cooling air in from below the bumper. A small air dam lip below the front of the car helps direct air up into the condensor and radiator. If this air dam is damaged or missing, the system won't cool as well.

Many newer vehicles have pollen filters in the ducting of the air conditioning system. This filter traps pollen and dust before it enters the passenger compartment. These filters are wonderful for those with allergies, but they can plug up quickly if there is a lot of dust in the air. A plugged filter will slow airflow through the ducting. Although the refrigerant system may be fine, there isn't enough airflow into the interior to keep the vehicle cool. Directions for changing the pollen filter are often found in the owner's manual. Some are accessed from the engine compartment, but most are changed from under the dashboard on the passenger side of the vehicle.

Even if your vehicle doesn't have a pollen filter, airflow into the interior can be reduced by partially blocked evaporator fins inside the ductwork. The evaporator cools the air as it flows through the fins, but dirt, moisture and pollen on the evaporator fins can cause mould to form. You may notice a musty smell when the air conditioning system is first turned on. This mould can grow enough that it forms a mesh-like layer on the evaporator, blocking airflow through it. The air coming out the vents may feel cool, but there just isn't enough airflow to cool the interior properly. Moulds and dirt can be removed from the evaporator with chemical treatments but most of these should only be used in well ventilated environments and involve removing some parts for evaporator access, so this job is best left for the repair shop.

Hope you guys learned something :wink:

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Postby kevin310 » July 20th, 2007, 1:33 pm

Good Info !!!

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Postby TurboDrive » July 20th, 2007, 2:02 pm

No A/C no worry :(

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Postby THE SYNDICATE » July 23rd, 2007, 1:54 pm

Good read bro....... :fadein:

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Postby 3stagevtec » July 23rd, 2007, 6:01 pm

Many newer vehicles have pollen filters in the ducting of the air conditioning system. This filter traps pollen and dust before it enters the passenger compartment. These filters are wonderful for those with allergies, but they can plug up quickly if there is a lot of dust in the air. A plugged filter will slow airflow through the ducting. Although the refrigerant system may be fine, there isn't enough airflow into the interior to keep the vehicle cool. Directions for changing the pollen filter are often found in the owner's manual. Some are accessed from the engine compartment, but most are changed from under the dashboard on the passenger side of the vehicle.


this was a problem i had with the Civic... i take out the pollen filter every few months and wash it for best performance...

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Postby Civic Dude » July 23rd, 2007, 8:14 pm

yo..3stage

where exactly is this pollen filter that you take out ?

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Postby truemail30 » July 23rd, 2007, 9:20 pm

most pollen filter is behind the the big pocket or glove box in the passenger side of the dashboard ,i`m not sure for other cars but in the newer nissans you take out the pocket and directly behind it there is the motor or fan compartment if you look closely you will see two clips with push written on it open it up and there`s your filter.

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Postby Dragsta » July 23rd, 2007, 10:00 pm

Coool Read....

any one knows where does sell the Pollen filters?

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Postby 3stagevtec » July 24th, 2007, 11:22 am

Civic Dude wrote:yo..3stage

where exactly is this pollen filter that you take out ?


yeah, it's as truemail said.. located behind the glove box. remove the glove box and you will see the air box with the filter.. remove the plastic cover to get to the filter.. and remove the metal bracket to take out the filter..

after i wash / spin dry mines, the AC does start to real kick... :wink:

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Postby Greypatch » July 24th, 2007, 11:48 am

nice read man

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Postby Dave » July 24th, 2007, 12:11 pm

make sure condensers are clean, helps with the exchange of air
i have also seen some nasty evaporators
oven cleaner works wonders

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Postby Greypatch » July 24th, 2007, 12:22 pm

i also hose down my condenser reguarlu when washing the buggy

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Postby Chemical » July 24th, 2007, 12:36 pm

make sure condensers are clean, helps with the exchange of air
i have also seen some nasty evaporators
oven cleaner works wonders
:shock:

Pls don't do that as the majority of oven cleaners contain lye (sodium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide), which is an extremely corrosive ingredient. Whether the cleaners are contained in aerosol spray form, liquid, paste or powder, lye can attack skin, eyes, or internal organs. Lye in aerosol form is especially hazardous because small droplets containing lye can drift and land on skin, eyes, and sensitive lung surfaces. Labels on most oven cleaners warn that the product can burn skin and eyes and that fumes and vapors should be avoided.

Secondly, most ovens are coated with enamel paint to avoid corrosion with aluminium unless Dave's condenser is made different, hence that is why one can use lye in an oven cleaner :idea:

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