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Postby Monk BANzai » October 19th, 2008, 4:35 am

when i left teh TV HAmie was 6 secs ahead....lap 29...any updates?

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Postby Maserati » October 19th, 2008, 4:39 am

Hamilton 1st
Massa 2nd
Kimmi 3rd
Alonso 4th

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Postby Monk BANzai » October 19th, 2008, 4:46 am

final standings? or stil lhave some to go?

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Postby wagon r » October 19th, 2008, 5:09 am

race done...

hammie, massa, kimmi...

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Postby Rallyfignis » October 19th, 2008, 8:13 am

Maserati wrote:Hamilton 1st
Massa 2nd
Kimmi 3rd
Alonso 4th


NO PODIUM FOR YOUUUUUUUUUU

Cry baby fag boy

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Postby MG Man » October 19th, 2008, 8:22 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I hear they need ah bigger helmet for Hammy for the nex race

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Postby Rallyfignis » October 19th, 2008, 8:42 am

^^^I hear Alsonso's suit is outfitted with a tampon

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » October 19th, 2008, 12:19 pm

Who needs what to win the title

Sunday 19th October 2008

Lewis Hamilton stands on the brink of becoming the youngest F1 Champion after a pole-to-flag victory in the Chinese GP.

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Hamilton claimed his fifth win of the season in Shanghai and ninth of his 34-race career to move up to 94 points in the Championship standings.

But with Felipe Massa taking second place, the Brazilian still stands a chance of winning as he has 87 points.

This means Massa has to finish first or second in Brazil in order to stand any chance of winning the title.

Should the Ferrari driver finish first, Hamilton needs to come home fifth or better to win because if he finishes in sixth place, although they will be tied for points, Massa will have one more race win than the McLaren driver.

And should Massa finish second, Hamilton needs to come home in seventh place to take the title as then he will have one point more than the Brazilian. But if he finishes eighth and ties with Massa for points, the Ferrari driver will steal the crown by virtue of more second place finishes.

However, if Massa can only manage third place it doesn't matter where Hamilton finishes as the title will be his.

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Postby worksux101 » October 19th, 2008, 10:50 pm

Props to hammi....drove a near flawless race...perhaps needed to take care of his car and brakes better in the end but thats the experience card...

Ferrari's just didn't have it...in the end its the car that cost Massa more than anything...nice reaction from Kimi after with regards to letting his teammate by...

The "any other driver could do the same as Hammi in the same car" is a played out argument...i don't like the man but he can drive, as can almost everyone else on the grid...one can argue that if Verstappen was given a Ferrari or McLaren, he would've won nearly every race just by virtue of how well he could pass any and everybody cleanly...
Hammi's attitude is still annoying, like a Totti of F1, and his driving still leaves alot to be desired at times, but give jack his jacket...the man drove an excellent race...

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Postby worksux101 » October 19th, 2008, 10:51 pm

hear they need ah bigger helmet for Hammy for the nex race

^^^I hear Alsonso's suit is outfitted with a tampon

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Postby Maserati » October 20th, 2008, 12:19 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

come on Massa & Ferrari

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Postby Rallyfignis » October 20th, 2008, 2:36 am

Just so everyone knows my position here; I am a big Kimi fan; also a fan of Massa, but do not like Ferrari.
I'm also a big McLaren fan, but don't really like Hamilton - why I don't like Hamilton, I have no idea, but I know I just don't.

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Postby Rory Phoulorie » October 20th, 2008, 6:36 am

Conclusions from the Chinese GP

Monday 20th October 2008

The World Championship is now Lewis Hamilton's to lose. Problem is, it was last year as well...


Felipe Massa Is Delusional
"I was strong enough to catch and pass [Raikkonen] and that was the best part of the race for me."
Next he'll be accusing Lewis Hamilton of bumping him off the track on the first lap in Japan when the reality was that he out-braked himself.

Oh.

Hang on...


Hamilton Has Set Himself Up For The Title. Or A Horrible Fall
For a driver who apparently can't cope with pressure, Lewis Hamilton didn't do badly in Shanghai.

His performance was a study in motor-racing perfection. After a statement of intent on Friday, when he finished both sessions in first place, the McLaren driver made good on his promise by taking P1 in all three qualifying sessions and then registering a lights-to-flags victory that included, for only the second time this season, the fastest lap of the race to complete the sweep. Look up 'comprehensive' in the F1 dictionary and the words 'Hamilton - China, 2008' should feature prominently.

A Hamilton victory tends to be a dramatic, controversial event; this was simply a masterclass in superiority. Ferrari's plan was to disrupt him off the line. Problem was, they couldn't get near him. Dominant, flawless and mature, Hamilton even succeeded in earning a respectful and volunteered handshake from Fernando Alonso and silencing his hitherto vocal army of critics.

But only for now.

They will not be completely muted until - if - he wins the World Championship in Brazil in two weeks' time. His own celebrations in Shanghai were low-key, presumably muted in the knowledge that, although a critical step had been taken, he is still to cross the line and, in sport, the final mile is often the hardest.

"This is another step to the Championship and towards my dream and towards my team's dream," he remarked. But after last year's calamitous nightmare, there will be plenty of sleepless nights ahead before that dream can be realised.


It's Still Hamilton's Title To Lose
Just as it was last year. And in 2008, as in 2007, he enters the final race with a seven-point lead that makes him the outstanding favourite but still leaves him vulnerable to a catastrophe.

One advantage Hamilton does have this year compared to last is that he need only concern himself with Felipe Massa (it is now mathematically impossible for Robert Kubica to claim the title, just as Kimi Raikkonen statistically relinquished his title of World Champion in Japan last weekend). Twelve months ago, he was so preoccupied with finishing ahead of Fernando Alonso that Raikkonen was able to sneak in under the radar ahead of both and claim one of the strangest titles in F1 history.

Next Sunday, 'all' Hamilton has do is ensure that Felipe Massa does not finish seven points ahead of him. Easier said than done, of course. Hamilton's title prospects would be so much more secure if only the first corner in Brazil was a soft, gradual curve - like Turn One in China - rather than the sort of sharp left-hander that is fertile ground for disaster.


Heikki Makes Hamilton Look Special
The question posed but unanswered by Rob Smedley, Felipe Massa's race engineer, during his post-race interview on ITV was whether McLaren now boasted the best car on the grid.

Hamilton's display suggested as much, but the argument to the contrary was the pathetic performance of Heikki Kovalainen in the sister McLaren. Was Hamilton very good or was Heikki very bad? The truth is probably - as it generally is - somewhere in the middle. The McLaren is not necessarily a faster car than the Ferrari but Hamilton was at the peak of his powers this weekend and out-drove every one of his competitors in a piece of machinery flattered by the circuit's characteristics.

Kovalainen, on the other hand, has proved himself a second-rate driver with more excuses than skill or pace and one utterly undeserving of his seat.

The Finn may have been unlucky in suffering a puncture but at that stage of the race he was already 30 seconds behind his team-mate. Incredibly, Fernando Alonso now heads his replacement at McLaren in the Constructors' Championship despite spending the first six months of an eight-month season in a mishandling and underpowered Renault. There's no way to judge Hamilton the fastest driver on the grid in the absence of any sort of meaningful team-mate comparison.

Kovalainen's inadequacies are not just a talking point. Its most profound affect is the likelihood of Ferrari being crowned the Constructors' Champions in Brazil (they now lead McLaren by 11 points). He might yet cost Lewis Hamilton the Drivers' Championship as well because it would be foolish in the extreme of the Englishman to expect his team-mate to provide the sort of points-paying support in Brazil hat Raikkonen provided for Massa this weekend (and Massa provided for Raikkonen a year ago for the Finn to win the title).

Nor is it actually outlandish to state that had Kovalainen risen to the occasion last weekend in Shanghai then Hamilton would already be the World Champion. After all, if one McLaren driver can qualify in pole position, it is not unreasonable to expect his team-mate - especially one out of the title race and who has less reason not to sacrifice race strategy - to line up alongside him. Had Kovalainen done so, the mayhem of the first corner would surely not have occurred and there would be no reason to suspect that Hamilton would not have collected the points haul necessary to make the result in Brazil academic.


Heikki's Failure Makes Alonso Worth The Hassle
There's an element of tragedy to Fernando Alonso's year at McLaren. The loss has been threefold: his own, the team's and F1's. If there is one thing better than a two-way fight in the final race then it is a three-way battle.

Courtesy of Renault's late-season revival and his back-to-back wins in Singapore and Japan, 2008 hasn't been a complete disaster for Alonso. In his absence from F1's top table, his reputation has risen in stock and the general consensus is that he is driving better than ever. Yet the season has still represented a waste of talent.

When Ferrari and McLaren reflect on their errors this season, and they have made plenty, they should both consider the advantages they would have gained from employing the Spaniard. The point worth emphasising is that even if there is a case for arguing Raikkonen should be replaced by Alonso, there is an even stronger argument for stating that he ought to be in Kovalainen's place.

When Damon Hill was asked to envisage himself as team boss and given the pick of the entire field from which select his preferred driver line-up, he nominated Hamilton and Alonso. "Put them back together and try again," was the gist of his explanation.

The hassle may have been considerable, but that would have been a price worth paying for two championships.


The Stewards Remain Consistent In Their Inconsistency
The punishment of Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen at the Malaysian GP after being judged by the stewards to have impeded Nick Heidfeld during qualifying: five grid slots.

The punishment of Nick Heidfeld at the Chinese GP after being judged by the stewards to have impeded David Coulthard during qualifying: three grid slots.


Ferrari's Defence Is Flawed
"You don't remember what happened in Germany and no one has complained, between Kovalainen and Hamilton? I know why you are asking that question so I am saying the same thing" - Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali.

It's not unreasonable for Domenicali to plead precedent in defending Felipe Massa's move past Kimi Raikkonen but his memory is as mistaken as his comparison is flawed. While Kovalainen did indeed let his team-mate past in Germany, the difference was that Hamilton caught him; in China, it was obvious that Raikkonen had to slow down in order for Massa to take second.

That is not to say Ferrari or their drivers ought to be punished for what occurred in Shanghai, because what occurred was a world away from events in Austria in 2002 and nobody is bothered by the use of 'team orders' in the penultimate race of a season, but for Domenicali to accuse McLaren in his own team's mitigation was desperate and shoddy.

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Postby MG Man » October 20th, 2008, 7:51 am

Rallyfignis wrote:Just so everyone knows my position here; I am a big Kimi fan; also a fan of Massa, but do not like Ferrari.
I'm also a big McLaren fan, but don't really like Hamilton - why I don't like Hamilton, I have no idea, but I know I just don't.

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LOL

I used to be a big fan of the red cars until they signed on the nassssssty german
Always been a Kimi and Massa fan
Mc Laren is a great team but Hamilton irritates me.....worse yet, Banzai being a Hamilton fan irritates me :lol:

I guess I am rooting for the red team

I have always been a supporter of the British drivers, but Hammy is just a twit......JB and DC are entertaining twits but Hammy is just ......sheesh. I am just glad he doesn't drive an MG

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Postby sirbill » October 20th, 2008, 8:57 am

I nicked this from the Autosport website:

So, here we are. One race left. Nothing to lose. Everything to gain. Below are the results so far this year:

Lewis Hamilton
1st: 5 times
2nd: 2 times
3rd: 3 times
4th: 0 times
5th: 2 times
6th: 0 times
7th: 1 time
8th: 0 times

Points collected: 94pts.

Felipe Massa
1st: 5 times
2nd: 2 times
3rd: 2 times
4th: 0 times
5th: 1 time
6th: 1 time
7th: 1 time
8th: 0 times

Points collected: 87pts.

Hamilton can win the 2008 Formula 1 Drivers World Championship if...
*He finshes fifth or higher. (98 pts or higher)
*If he finishes sixth and Massa finishes second or lower. (97pts to 95pts in Hamilton's favour)
*If he finishes seventh and Massa finishes second or lower. (96pts to 95pts)
*If he finishes eighth and Massa finishes third or lower. (95pts to 93pts)
*If he scores no points and Massa finishes third or lower. (94pts to 93pts)

Massa can win the 2008 Formula 1 Drivers World Championship if...
*If he wins the race and Hamilton finishes sixth or lower. (97pts each, goes to deadlock [see below])
*If he finishes second and Hamilton finishes eighth or lower. (95pts each, goes to deadlock [see below])

If the 2008 Formula 1 Drivers World Championship goes to deadlock...
*Felipe Massa will be the 2008 Formula 1 Drivers World Champion. As specified in the Sporting Regulations, if points are equal the amount of wins gets taken into consideration, and so on until a winner is found.
*If Massa wins and Hamilton finishes sixth or lower, Massa will have 6 wins to Hamilton's five, therefore Massa will be champion.
*If Massa finishes second and Hamilton finishes eighth or lower, both will still have five wins obviously. Massa however, will have three 2nd places to Hamilton's two 2nd places, therefore Massa will be champion.

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Postby MG Man » October 20th, 2008, 9:35 am

if hammy wins, it will just underscore Ferrari's unreliability and dumb pitlane schennanigans...........hamilton will rub his nipples but let's be real....he has benefitted in no small measure by the red team's blunders, without which, Massa would have tied up the championshil already...........and now over to you Mr. Murell

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Postby djaggs » October 20th, 2008, 10:52 am

Im still rooting for Massa, Im a Massa fan, dont know why I like the little guy so much. I think maybe because he was so underrated at the start of the year, and I still think South American drivers are the best, or at least most fun to watch.

It would be a disaster to put Alonso back in a McLaren. He would probably bump Hammie off the track. I used to be a Kimi fan, but that was up until Ferrari signed Massa.

I really wanted to be a Kovaleinen fan but something has gone horribly wrong with him. Should I dare say it??? Was Alonso right, does McLaren give their less favoured driver an inferior car???

Maybe Kubica in a McLaren next year, or Vettel??

Some saying Ferrari has an inferior car this year but if MS was around I bet the story would be different.

I dont dislike Hammie, in fact I like him because he represents all that is great about the British racing industry. He was bred and trained in the UK to be a world champion. If he does win, the British would have succeeded in stamping their superiority in a sport they have led for so long and I am a very big fan of the Brits when it comes to racing. However, the british media tends to get on my nerves sometime and I guess everyone in the racing world wants to shut them up so everyone is gunning for Hammie.

Poor fella, the MAN always trying to take down the black man.
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Although I hear the Klu Kluxx Klan backing Obama, go figure.......

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Postby Monk BANzai » October 20th, 2008, 12:05 pm

MG Man wrote:if hammy wins, it will just underscore Ferrari's unreliability and dumb pitlane schennanigans...........hamilton will rub his nipples but let's be real....he has benefitted in no small measure by the red team's blunders, without which, Massa would have tied up the championshil already...........and now over to you Mr. Murell



hahhaah its Murrell .. two "R"'s.....


i dunno..i think for a young man of 23yrs old..he's having a time of his life...so what if he can handle teh pressures o racing?... cudnt care less really...he young man been consistent and i like him...in fact....if i was ah woman at my age, i'd give him a "Cougar sex"...heheheehe.....

last yr Ferrari was BITCHING WHOLE yr...about the spying thing yadda yadda..which meant that at least the red cars shudve been better right?...and ent Kimi (aka the drunk one) and Felipe (aka the "oh he's driving too close to my sponsored wheels") are better drivers than Hammie?...... Hammie is like Richard Burns....came in young...made a huge amount of fckups ...but was loved....Look at it...loo kat Burns yr whe nhe JUST didnt seem to get it right...crash after crsah after crash....butyet...still one of th greatest young Rally drivers (RIP....pours alco)..

me eh care..Hamiie has brought back to th sport something was missing ....BALLS!!.....he ignores rules....does not see red lights (pits) and thinks that the road belongs to him and him alone!! I LOVE THAT !!!....this is MY road!!! MOVE DAMMIT!!...thats liek Earnheart's (RIP) back in the day...ALL drivers knew of Dale Snr's racing line..and avoided it...hehehehe

so hit on him all yall want...yall knwo yall love him....hahhah

OH i love the cars but hate the drivers ...hahahahahah hogwash!!

the cars ALL look the same!! sound teh same and move teh same!!...hahahahahahha

please.....(goes out and buys two hammie tee shirts...one i nth even he wins..the other inth event he f#%ks up)...

and next yr..rain or shine...im backing him.


(bookmarks ched for next yrs "rub in thier face" session)

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Postby Rallyfignis » October 20th, 2008, 12:39 pm

First off lemme say...I don't dislike Hamilton, I doe have anything against him at all - I just don't like him. There's a difference.

And I don't like or dislike any of the cars, I have my opinions on the teams, again, there's a difference.

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Postby MG Man » October 20th, 2008, 12:41 pm

hammy does not have balls............drivers with balls push the envelope of driving, not try to push drivers out of the way

If you ever compare hammy to Richard Burns again, I will kick the sh............(Banzai kicks the sh!t out of MG Man)

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Postby Monk BANzai » October 20th, 2008, 12:42 pm

^^ sigh sigh sigh.... :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Postby Maserati » October 20th, 2008, 12:51 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 678704.stm
Former world champion Damon Hill says Lewis Hamilton will handle the pressure of the Formula One title showdown.

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Postby Monk BANzai » October 20th, 2008, 12:52 pm

MG Man wrote:hammy does not have balls............drivers with balls push the envelope of driving, not try to push drivers out of the way

If you ever compare hammy to Richard Burns again, I will kick the sh............(Banzai kicks the sh!t out of MG Man)



hahahhahahhaa i love eeeeeeeeet!!

so...apart from Alonso...(who yrs ago made "pass" on Schumi......really it looked cool..but that was about it...) pushed the envelope?

last yr Hammie at almost every track beat the best time of THAT ciruit....come nah man!!!

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Postby MG Man » October 20th, 2008, 10:21 pm

the car
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Postby Rory Phoulorie » October 20th, 2008, 10:40 pm

MG Man wrote:hammy does not have balls............drivers with balls push the envelope of driving, not try to push drivers out of the way


I wonder what the Ayrton Senna fans (Hamilton being #1) would have to say about this :?:

Portuguese GP 1988?
Japanese GP 1990?

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Postby djaggs » October 20th, 2008, 11:41 pm

I dont think its fair to say Hammie doesnt have balls, he has made some very daring passing moves on the track, I particularly recall the move he made on Kimi at MOnza last year.

Beside, a man have ta hav rel balls to go out with that Grenadian gyul.... :sick:

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Postby Monk BANzai » October 21st, 2008, 3:35 am

^^ AYE !!! MEH GF is GRENADIAN BAI!!! careful!!!!

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Postby MG Man » October 21st, 2008, 8:00 am

hamilton = bollocks

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Postby djaggs » October 21st, 2008, 8:30 am

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:^^ AYE !!! MEH GF is GRENADIAN BAI!!! careful!!!!


Aye ah didnt dis Grenadian woman, ah say THAT Grenadian gyul.

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Postby Rallyfignis » October 21st, 2008, 9:25 am

BANzai Rastafarai wrote:^^ AYE !!! MEH GF is GRENADIAN BAI!!! careful!!!!


Your GrandFather is Grenadian???

Banzai, are you Hamilton?????????? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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