Swapping a B20 into a civic. discuss

Rahtid · Postby **Rahtid** » January 28th, 2009, 10:29 am

does it require lots of work?

will there be a significant increase of powr(not speed)

is it worthwhile?

B20 is automatic,from a crv,,,pbl model

SUPAstarr · Postby **SUPAstarr** » January 28th, 2009, 10:58 am

CRV came with H22????? i didnt know that, but yea lookin at aroun 190 - 200 hp stock, torque like a mofo, goin to do the change when i get back from miami, its a bit of work to be honest ant the mount kit alone is around 270 US, but to me it will be worth eeet, 4 wheel disk brakes is a must and a proper suspension, its 60lbs heavier than a b series. Plus if i blow it up another deuce engine and box is 11k or so, but another b is 14k.

Rahtid · Postby **Rahtid** » January 28th, 2009, 10:59 am

yeh i think das wat it has,,,,or some 2.0 eng.

but i cant get a mount kit in trini? or make one?

SUPAstarr · Postby **SUPAstarr** » January 28th, 2009, 11:01 am

H22 are 2.2 litres eh if it came out of a CRV it maybe a B20, i got quoted the mount kit down here about $5500 in goin an pay 270 US for it away.

ek4ever · Postby **ek4ever** » January 28th, 2009, 11:17 am

A friend of mine has an H22 with NOS in a coupe......lots of torque but lot's of work to get it to fit up. The problem with it is the weight which causes more understeer and makes the car feel more clumsy.....for the Civic the B series will always be the better setup

BTW....the H22As came from the Prelude and Accord ....not CR-Vs

Postby SR » January 28th, 2009, 11:29 am

highway handling and stability will be an issue as the chassis and suspension was not designed for that amount of weight

for a drag car it will do the job
for a daily driver other than some traffic light fun higher speed runs will be a task
as well as more wear on front end suspension parts

better bet is as mentioned above sticking with the b series
the crv b20 stock will work nicely with some nice torque but dont expect high revving rpm

Rahtid · Postby **Rahtid** » January 28th, 2009, 11:43 am

SR wrote:highway handling and stability will be an issue as the chassis and suspension was not designed for that amount of weight

for a drag car it will do the job
for a daily driver other than some traffic light fun higher speed runs will be a task
as well as more wear on front end suspension parts

better bet is as mentioned above sticking with the b series
the crv b20 stock will work nicely with some nice torque but dont expect high revving rpm

can anything be done to correct this? like different suspension? energy bushings?

Postby SR » January 28th, 2009, 11:48 am

i guess doing some upgrades and using stiffer springs and shocks would help as well as poly bushings
but ride comfort wont be there

do some research on foreign forums to see what solutions they came up with
it may not be worht the effort in the end if you on a budget

ek4ever · Postby **ek4ever** » January 28th, 2009, 12:17 pm

Oh yeah...btw...that H22A coupe was built for drags...on the road it's not a very nice driver. Like SR pointed out you'll need to upgrade the suspension e.g. progressive rate springs, upgraded struts, bushings and thicker ARB. Light weight alloys and tyres will help too.

You'll also need to use a higher capacity radiator...which means more front weight.....Essentially you need to reduce front mass and strengthen the suspension to handle the increased weight....could try a CF bonnet too

SUPAstarr · Postby **SUPAstarr** » January 28th, 2009, 12:26 pm

it not a lot of work to fit up once you have the mount kit it fits fine, the work is in adjustin ac lines an other misc stuff, jason and tolas have done it before on a couple occasions so is not too much of a scene. Some ppl exaggerate the weight thing

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=684550

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » January 28th, 2009, 1:48 pm

putting in a Stock B20B makes no sense

Stock B-series mounts will work

siiffer front springs a must

But if u were planning a CRVTEC that is something different :twisted:

Postby SR » January 28th, 2009, 2:13 pm

if its an upgrade from a single cam it can remain stock

if its an upgrade from a b16 stock for stock the b16 will be faster but the b20 will have more midrange torque and overtaking in traffic will be faster

ek4ever · Postby **ek4ever** » January 28th, 2009, 5:10 pm

SUPAstarr wrote:it not a lot of work to fit up once you have the mount kit it fits fine, the work is in adjustin ac lines an other misc stuff, jason and tolas have done it before on a couple occasions so is not too much of a scene. Some ppl exaggerate the weight thing

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=684550

The weight thing does make a difference....I've driven this H22A coupe and it does not feel as balanced as my SiR....even the owner complains of the added front weight and is thinking of going to a B series.....but every1 will have a different take so no harm in trying it

B20VTEK · Postby **B20VTEK** » January 28th, 2009, 11:32 pm

b20 stock with a gearbox in a civic WILL be fun.

Postby **r3iXmann** » January 29th, 2009, 2:45 am

ek4ever wrote:BTW....the H22As came from the Prelude and Accord ....not CR-Vs

correct

Rahtid · Postby **Rahtid** » January 29th, 2009, 8:08 am

red_dragon wrote:putting in a Stock B20B makes no sense

Stock B-series mounts will work

siiffer front springs a must

But if u were planning a CRVTEC that is something different

wats dat?

its not for racing just that i need a lil more power,unstability wudnt be a big problem cuz i wont be speeding,,

but where can i get the mounts?

btw engine coming at a very nice price nah,,

Postby SR » January 29th, 2009, 8:31 am

what engine do you have presently

B20VTEK · Postby **B20VTEK** » January 29th, 2009, 9:01 am

There is a B20A Which came in the early model Accords :!:

red_dragon · Postby **red_dragon** » January 29th, 2009, 9:04 am

b20a

"Partially unrelated to the Honda B-series engines are the B20A and B21A. By some, these are not considered (by tuners) to be part of the B-series group of engines because they are not compatible with most of the other B-series parts and all of the other B series chassis."

Rahtid · Postby **Rahtid** » January 29th, 2009, 10:11 am

i currently have a d15bmanual cuz i sold the b16amanual

this b20 comin outta a crv automatic eh

Postby SR » January 29th, 2009, 10:19 am

the upgrade from the d15 manual to the b20 auto will yeild a big difference in torque stock for stock

and again mid band power stock will be quite pleasing

but no vtec

Rahtid · Postby **Rahtid** » January 29th, 2009, 10:21 am

so tha ha no vtec? :shock:

Postby SR » January 29th, 2009, 10:23 am

nope

simplicity · Postby **simplicity** » January 29th, 2009, 11:00 am

thas why the man tell yuh build a CRVTEC

B20VTEK · Postby **B20VTEK** » January 29th, 2009, 11:06 am

are u sure the auto tranny will fit?

B20VTEK · Postby **B20VTEK** » January 29th, 2009, 11:07 am

red_dragon wrote:b20a

"Partially unrelated to the Honda B-series engines are the B20A and B21A. By some, these are not considered (by tuners) to be part of the B-series group of engines because they are not compatible with most of the other B-series parts and all of the other B series chassis."

time to change nick to wikipedia
lol