BYCC october 11th this sunday!

[moti]

chris1388, i understand what you're saying and I'm all in favor with the course being alternated for the competition events. i know practice makes perfect (or close) and I'm all up for getting a new course six times a year i mean that is how i was introduced to solodex. if the new head of dex decides to have only one course for the year i will support that decision. same as for if he/she decides to leave it as normal.

i mean after two or three events with the same course it will tend to get boring and i would love to see every event filled with more excitment than the last. the only thing that will guarantee this is the course layout varying for each competition event.

so be it we have only one course to run or six i am all for it.

what i would love to see is that all bycc events be timed so people will know if their times are improving (that's the only thing that will help us to know if any changes are working).

[chris1388]

Ok, point taken moti, but i believe the best thing is to leave it as is with alternating courses BUT for the bycc's there is a fixed base line course that you can tune and play around with different setup and driving styles......this will allow you to gain the experience you will need to undertake any course......and yes the timing system should be there...what is the sense you come and put the effort and tweak your car and then can't see if you are improving or not, this is one thing i will stand with you guys for. The timing system MUST be used at the bycc's.

[pete]

I'm with chris on this one.

Change the course each time to allow the driver to develop the skills required to analyse a new course and develop their racing lines to suit. This is important in competition as all the drivers start the day as equals with regards to the track layout. EVERYONE must learn the course. If the same course is run every time it gives those with more track time an advantage and this isn't really what autocross is about.

However, the BYCCs should be the same course to allow drivers to test their setups and try different lines and compare their times outside of competition. I myself have wanted to try some new techniques but there hasn't been a BYCC this year since...? I hope I can make it on the 11th to try them.

[saltydog]

some good ideas here, if I may make some comments.

Chris i totally agree with you dex is not about the same course that is circuit. I however like the idea of the bycc course being the next competition course, that might work. Only championship events i am not sure if that is fair for the person that misses the bycc.

The timing system, I am all for running the timing system for every event. However at the bycc's there are so many people lining up all day that it makes operating the system tricky, data entry ect. Also the system only allows you so many runs, what happens when you exceed it - no more times. Also these are the days that new people tend to come out making it a higher proberbility that someone will hit the sensors or drive over the wire or something stupid like that.

I would like to see a good turn out for the agm with people that are willing to give of their time to run the club. I have been involved one way or another for too long now and it is someone elses turn. I would like to stress though if you cannot dedicate the time, and it is a lot of work, then DO NOT accept the position. You only make it harder on the other exec members that now have to do your job as well.

I like all of your ideas keep them coming. As far as the BYCC we need a better course than what we ran at dex 5, that course was far from adequate IMO

[moti]

saltydog, see course posted on pg1

[MadCrix]

with prctise you CAN improve, if you have the will to do so

[moti]

MadCrix, so which will it be for you; one standard course for the year (first six months forward the other six reverse)

or

solodex continues like normal with a different course every competition event and a standard course for BYCC's

[saltydog]

might as well change the name of the sport one time to "time attack"

[MadCrix]

the sport is what u make of it. if the members want to try somehting then i am all for it

every sport evolves over time

and i for one track for 6 months and reverse for the later

[moti]

might as well change the name of the sport one time to "time attack"

just some ideas passing around nothing said in here is gospel.

so this bycc we will be using the regular bycc course?
(that is the old karting course)

[MadCrix]

can't call it time attack as

Time Attack unlike other timed motorsport disciplines such as sprinting and hillclimbing, the car is required to start off under full rolling start conditions following a warm up lap where they will have to accelerate out as fast as possible to determine how fast they enter their timed lap.

Autocross is a form of motorsports that emphasizes safe, low-cost competition and active participation. An autocross is a timed competition where drivers navigate one at a time through a temporary course marked by traffic cones, rather than racing on a track with multiple other cars, as in road racing or oval racing. Autocross tends to place more emphasis on car handling and driver skill than on sheer horsepower, and events typically have many classes which allow almost any vehicle, from economy sedans to purpose-built vehicles, to compete. Speeds are slower in absolute terms when compared to other forms of motorsports, usually not exceeding highway speeds, but the activity level (measured in discrete turns per minute) can be higher than even Formula One due to the large number of elements packed into each course. Autocross courses are typically 40 to 70 seconds in length. In addition to being a national-level motorsport in its own right, autocrossing is a good way to learn skills that transfer to road racing, as drivers learn vehicle control and club ethics.

Autocross events are usually held in large paved areas like parking lots or airfields. TYPICALLY, new courses are created for each event so drivers must learn a new course each time they compete. Prior to driving, a competitor will walk the course, taking mental notes, and developing a strategy to be refined upon subsequent runs.

[moti]

TYPICALLY, new courses are created for each event so drivers must learn a new course each time they compete. Prior to driving, a competitor will walk the course, taking mental notes, and developing a strategy to be refined upon subsequent runs.

[MadCrix]

evolution of sport around the world

[edit] Related motorsports
In the United States the sport described here is commonly known as autocross (it is also known as "Solo," the SCCA's brand name for it) but other regions of the world have different names for it. Certain parts of Canada and Eastern European countries (Russia, Ukraine, Moldova), for instance, call it autoslalom. In the United Kingdom it is known as autosolo and autocross refers to a similar sport that is held on unpaved surfaces like grass and dirt (also see SCCA RallyCross). In Southeast Asia, countries like Malaysia and Thailand refer to the sport as autokhana.

Motorkhana (as it is known in Australia and New Zealand) and autotesting (UK and Ireland) are related sports. With speeds rarely exceeding 40 mph (60 km/h), both motorkhana and autotesting are slower than American autocross, require handbraking, and have sections that must be negotiated in reverse. On the other hand, autocross speeds can reach over 60 mph (100 km/h) and courses that would require the driver to enter reverse are generally prohibited in autocross. Handbraking is also not usually necessary on a typical autocross course.

These are similar to the Japanese gymkhana, another type of handling competition. Gymkhanas are even tighter than motorkhanas and autotests, with numerous 360-degree turns around cones and courses that loop back upon themselves. Fast times require a lot of sliding and the end result ends up looking similar to a cross between autocross and drifting. Gymkhanas do not usually require entering reverse gear.

In ProSolo, an SCCA-sanctioned variant of autocross, two cars run side-by side on mirror-image courses after starting at a "Christmas tree" starting system similar to that used in drag racing.

[moti]

two cars run side-by side on mirror-image courses after starting at a "Christmas tree" starting system similar to that used in drag racing.

wasn't there events here in our "solodex" where events like this happend.
(two cars on mirror courses)

lets bring this back if there is a bigger track/car park located

[Blue]

two cars run side-by side on mirror-image courses after starting at a "Christmas tree" starting system similar to that used in drag racing.

wasn't there events here in our "solodex" where events like this happend.
(two cars on mirror courses)

lets bring this back if there is a bigger track/car park located

Karting rumble strips ended this most excellent aspect of solodex (head to head). It encouraged lots of new drivers and was PLENTY fun.
(there is always PierII though)

[saltydog]

Pier 2 is too small and too expensive to rent

[Monk BANzai]

might as well change the name of the sport one time to "time attack"

EH HEH??


ah coming back!!!

[MG Man]

pffffffffffffft

[saltydog]

might as well change the name of the sport one time to "time attack"

EH HEH??


ah coming back!!!

yeah right I not holding my breath

[Monk BANzai]

might as well change the name of the sport one time to "time attack"

EH HEH??


ah coming back!!!

yeah right I not holding my breath

[crazybalhead]

crosses fingers for Sunday.

[MadCrix]

oh crap is this sunday already

hmmm

[_moti_]

soooooooooooo what course will be used??

[Blue]

soooooooooooo what course will be used??

Could someone post up the BYCC course... I'm not sure I'm familiar with it.

[_moti_]

this is not the old bycc course




i don't know if the same BYCC course will be used because that used to be the old karting course. now that the karting peeps has changed their course i don't know if the rumble strips will have anything to do with us not using the old layout

[HondaHo de 1st]

so who bring de fowl tuh throw on de grill???

[tr1ad]

dex is sh!t

so is honda but who's checking

[saltydog]

this is not the old bycc course




i don't know if the same BYCC course will be used because that used to be the old karting course. now that the karting peeps has changed their course i don't know if the rumble strips will have anything to do with us not using the old layout

I like this course, some small changes need to be made in order for it to work, but I like it. I will put it to the exec at our pre event meeting. we will setup the timing system but i am not sure if it will be up all day

see you guys on sunday

[demented]

what time is start-off?

Post some more details for first timers to BYCC.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

this is not the old bycc course




i don't know if the same BYCC course will be used because that used to be the old karting course. now that the karting peeps has changed their course i don't know if the rumble strips will have anything to do with us not using the old layout

the rumble strips are still in the same place
they didnt put any new rumble strips for the new course - in fact the new course is just a yellow paint outline.

What has changed though is the pit area, parking etc
if they plan to use the section by the control tower that is.