The Religion Discussion

[megadoc1]

so are only christians to be offended? because it seems as if its only them you have this problem with
If someone wishes to follow their own path, that is their calling - it doesn't concern me, nor does it concern you.
I don't have a problem with Christians, as I have told you MANY times before. I have a problem with the omitting of certain teachings of Christ in order to promote a particular mindset that claims to be of Christ. I also have a problem with ignorance, self-imposed blindness, and antagonistic/misanthropic systems of belief that parade as religion.
but what can you do about it?

will you defend Christians ?
Of course... but Christians are not being attacked. Ignorance and self-imposed blindness are being attacked.yeah right

did any body ask for your help? who do you think you are?
No one asked for your help... but here you are, spreading God's message of love, forgiveness, acceptance, unity and tolerance, which you have somehow twisted into sneering intolerance, discord, divisiveness, and uncaring presumption.
so why would I do this ? what is there for me to gain?


Who I think I am is none of your concern. agreed because I know greater
I will share one of my beliefs with you. "To those who much is given, much is expected." I believe one day I will have to account for the use I found for the gifts I have - knowledge and experience in these (and other) matters. I do what I can in my life. I would consider it errant of me to remain silent for the sake of the curiously minded unknowing ones who, thanks to the intolerant and ignorant diatribe, might otherwise shy away from delving into what could result in a better understanding of why we all are here. but yuh have it wrong it is best you keep quiet

because you know fully well that you cannot put forth your own Ideologies lest they be exposed and be verified as false doctrine .

This bullcrap shows what some are attempting to do in this thread. Is this thread REALLY about how people encounter God? My "ideology" or whatever nonsense megadoc was trying to say, is MY own to consider and accept for ME. "False doctrine"? I thought you were a "non-denominational" (read here "nowhererian")? Different, yes... but false? My, my. You claim to follow the teachings of Christ, which I happen to know - and your attitude does not reflect His teachings.
my attitude ??? lets talk about that, what about it ?
how can you tell my attitude ? against Gods word ,can you tell me where am I in error

The fact that Bluefete has allowed this to drag out along these lines, simply exposes that this is probably what he had in mind all along.nice try

[wagonrunner]

don't allow the thread to be locked by antagonizing each other.....

it make 150+ pages, that 450+ posts, it go lock now?
yuh eh realize this ched report button gets ignored?

[d spike]

A "non-denominational" group, eh?
When did this group start existing? Who started it? One of the apostles, eh? On his way across the Mediterranean, his ship was blown off-course in a storm, and he ended up here in the Caribbean, eh?
Or more likely a fellah who (how did ol' Bluefete say it?) "took a part of a sentence and ran with it."... or was it a fellah who suffers the same malaise as you, and hears voices in his head, which told him to start this concept of collection-baskets inside a building?
well at least I know how much you don't know

So which is it?

[megadoc1]

megadoc1 you freaking fraud, what is the location of the place you work your obeah

post it here

let me call you

[megadoc1]

So which is it? In one sentence you say they need to accept Jesus for it to work and in the other sentence you say they don't even have to believe for it to work.
because you failed to see that we are talking about two things
one is healing and one is crime ...who is committing the crime?

Okay then, so you're saying that if criminals accept Jesus, then crime would cease? yesThat has to do with the morals that accompany such a belief - not the event of a miracle.you still tie up I see If they became proper Buddhists or Muslims, it would have the same effect. lol

then why not prevent the flooding in T&T? You can save all those poor families from suffering. yea but thats just you looking for a god to serve you
deal?

Say what? So wanting the flooding to cease is self-serving? And crime isn't?
both are because thats all he wants God for
Nati and Lola are right... you have lost all your marbles.I heard better talk than that

[d spike]

don't allow the thread to be locked by antagonizing each other.....

it make 150+ pages, that 450+ posts, it go lock now?
yuh eh realize this ched report button gets ignored?

It's not that it gets ignored... it's no longer connected.
At 150+ pages long, it's too long for Trinituner's repo-button extension cord. Those cords have a 60 page limit.

[Chimera]

Just had a phone convo with megadoc1, for one, he doesn't sound stark raving mad as he does in his posts here.

I might possibly go check out the church

#12 Anne Street, Woodbrook

[megadoc1]

http://www.championdynamics.org/about.asp

[d spike]

so are only christians to be offended? because it seems as if its only them you have this problem with
If someone wishes to follow their own path, that is their calling - it doesn't concern me, nor does it concern you.
I don't have a problem with Christians, as I have told you MANY times before. I have a problem with the omitting of certain teachings of Christ in order to promote a particular mindset that claims to be of Christ. I also have a problem with ignorance, self-imposed blindness, and antagonistic/misanthropic systems of belief that parade as religion.
but what can you do about it?
I respond, as I have done here.

will you defend Christians ?
Of course... but Christians are not being attacked. Ignorance and self-imposed blindness are being attacked.yeah right
Of course, you can't see what I'm talking about. I did say "self-imposed blindness".

did any body ask for your help? who do you think you are?
No one asked for your help... but here you are, spreading God's message of love, forgiveness, acceptance, unity and tolerance, which you have somehow twisted into sneering intolerance, discord, divisiveness, and uncaring presumption.
so why would I do this ? what is there for me to gain?
How should I know?

Who I think I am is none of your concern. agreed because I know greater
Then why did you ask?

I will share one of my beliefs with you. "To those who much is given, much is expected." I believe one day I will have to account for the use I found for the gifts I have - knowledge and experience in these (and other) matters. I do what I can in my life. I would consider it errant of me to remain silent for the sake of the curiously minded unknowing ones who, thanks to the intolerant and ignorant diatribe, might otherwise shy away from delving into what could result in a better understanding of why we all are here. but yuh have it wrong it is best you keep quiet
One is not going to be called one day to account for one's actions and responsibilities? Jesus had it wrong, then? My, my.

You claim to follow the teachings of Christ, which I happen to know - and your attitude does not reflect His teachings.
my attitude ??? lets talk about that, what about it ?
It does not reflect His teachings. Which word did I use that you had problems understanding?

how can you tell my attitude ?
By performing the mystical art of reading and comprehending.

against Gods word ,can you tell me where am I in error
Very simple. Look back in both this thread and the other one where I responded to your posts, and do what I have been asking you to do for a long time - READ THEM.

[d spike]

Just had a phone convo with megadoc1, for one, he doesn't sound stark raving mad as he does in his posts here.

I might possibly go check out the church

#12 Anne Street, Woodbrook

Would be interesting to hear about it, especially its history and origin - as megadoc seems rather silent on that topic.

[megadoc1]

Just had a phone convo with megadoc1, for one, he doesn't sound stark raving mad as he does in his posts here.

I might possibly go check out the church

#12 Anne Street, Woodbrook

Would be interesting to hear about it, especially its history and origin - as megadoc seems rather silent on that topic.

well come see for yourself nuh
come and see why I does get my kicks on you and
yuh posts

[sparky]

The earth is older than 6000 years because it was created along with the universe. [In the beginning God created the universe and the earth was desolate and the Spirit of GOD moved over the water]. That account is the first two verses in the Bible, no one including science could determine the age of that period. However ever from verse three onwards until the present, the estimated time is 6000years and this is through the most profound history book the BIBLE. There are many variation in Christianity. This due to a matter of belief and interpretation of the Bible as well as a matter of tradition. During what is referred to as the dark age in Christian history, paganism was introduce and married to Christianity,[ MANY CHRISTIAN DIED BECAUSE OF THIS FOR THEY WILL NOTING TO DO WITH THAT]. And so even today those practices are still held by most Churches example of some [ Sunday Sabbath, A day ends at twelve midnight, idols in churches ETC]. In all of this the BIBLE which is the WORD OF GOD to mankind is not corrupted, it remains the truth to mankind, it reveals God love for mankind.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Sparky, explain to me then how dinosaur bones are older than 6000 years old if the earth was desolate up till 6000 years ago.

Oil takes hundreds of thousands to millions of years to form from organic matter.

You also didnt answer my question about the light from other galaxies reaching us in 6000 years when they are millions of light years away.

because you failed to see that we are talking about two things
one is healing and one is crime ...who is committing the crime?

what about the flooding? Why not fix that?

[bluefete]

because you failed to see that we are talking about two things
one is healing and one is crime ...who is committing the crime?

what about the flooding? Why not fix that?

Duane, maybe this will help you to understand.

'Blocked' jetstream to blame for freak weather in Russia and Pakistan, say scientists

By Niall Firth
Last updated at 6:11 PM on 11th August 2010

A massive heatwave in Russia and the current devastating floods in Pakistan could be linked by the unusual behaviour of the jetstream, scientists believe.

The jetstream is the high-altitude wind that circles the globe from west to east and normally pushes a series of wet but mild Atlantic lows across Britain.

But meteorologists who study the phenomenon say that it is producing unusual holding patterns which are keeping weather systems in one place, which produces freak conditions.

A graph for 24 - 30th July which shows a succession of meanders along the jet stream, with a northward meander (ridge of high pressure) over the Atlantic, a southward meander (trough of low pressure) over Europe. Here the jet splits, around a large 'blocking' anticyclone over western Russia. On the eastern side of this anticyclone, air moves into the southward meander (trough) close to Pakistan from quite far north

A graph from the same period over a number of years shows what scientists would normally expect over this period with calmer winds and fewer 'trapped' weather patterns

The jetstream is being held by the Rossby waves that normally produce its distinctive wave-like pattern.

These powerful spinning wind currents are caused by the Earth’s shape and rotation and push the jet stream from east to west at high altitudes.

Now scientists believe that Rossby waves are acting against the jetstream’s usual pattern, holding it in place, according to a report in New Scientist.

Since mid-July, when it would normally be moving eastwards the jetstream has been held in one place as strong Rossby waves push against it.

When the jet stream is held in one place it traps the weather systems that are caught between its meanders. Warm air is sucked north to the ‘peaks’ while cold air travels to the ‘troughs’.

Professor Reading believes that a blocked jetstream could be behind a heatwave in Japan which killed 60 and the sudden end to warm weather in the UK.

Pakistani flood survivors evacuate a flooded area in Bssera village near Muzaffargarh today

In Pakistan, the blocking event took place at the same time as the summer monsoon, with tragic consequences.

Floods triggered by heavy monsoon rain over much of Pakistan began nearly two weeks ago and have killed around 1,600 people and forced more than two million from their homes.

Many survivors from flooded villages have lost their stores of food as well as crops and livestock and are surviving on relief handouts.

In Russia, the immobile jetstream pulled in hot air from Africa creating stifling conditions and horrendous smog in Moscow.

Hundreds of wildfires have been burning across three time zones. Prime Minister Vladimir Putin yesterday boarded a fire-fighting plane to dump water on blazes close to Moscow, where the smoke has caused thick smog

Scientists are still unclear as to the cause of ‘blocking events’ although there have been some research that linked them to low solar activity.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z0wLfYfifj

Of course God had nothing to do with this. These are strictly natural phenomenon. Just like the parting of the Red Sea was caused by a wind that blew all night.

Of course, the jet stream does not affect T&T either. So all the flooding in South can be safely attributed to the ITCZ.

It is easy to see why scientists insist that there never was a global flood.

[bluefete]

Steups..I still jus wanna know the location where this healing takes place.

Or i hadda believe in Jesus for the location to exist?

Aye Megadoc1, I am sending ABA to be healed - please let him know where he can come to you for healing

Yes, I`d like to find jesus

And I actually have a medical ailment that the most I can do is take pain medication, (that doesn't really work.)

I've been to numerous doctors all over, If Jesus curing it, I there.

Tell me where

ABA: I am sorry to read about your ailment. Please be aware that God does not always answer prayers in the way we expect. Take a read below. If you are not "healed", it is because there is a greater purpose to your affliction.

However, God can also heal you, if it is His will.

Regardless of how you feel, surrender to God by using Jesus' words " nevertheless not my will but what you will."

If God leads you to Megadoc's church then by all means go.

You never know if God allowed this thread to reach 150+ pages so that he could touch you alone, specifically.

12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

2 Corinthians 12:7-10

[Chimera]

God ain't leading me to megadoc1 church.

And thats bs about "well go see if God cud heal u na, but if he doesn't its because he have a a reason"

Thats pure idiocy.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ LOL
bluefete, did you google "Scientists are still unclear" to find articles to support your claims?

FYI the Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper. Just like we have "the Bomb" here in T&T. It's sister publication is the Sun which is famous for it's page 3 topless girl in the UK.

They have alot of lawsuits pending for libel, slander and all round misinformation from Elton John to the BBC.

They do carry true news as well which is often found in other more reliable publications as well such as CNN and BBC.

regardless, what does that have to do with megadoc1's "powerful" group stopping flooding in T&T since they have the authority of Jesus Christ. If they can heal people they can stop the flooding and suffering of thousands!

[illumin@ti]

ABA lemmih know when yuh wah make a pass up in psychodoc church, we go make it a chuna church lime

[bluefete]

^ LOL did you google "Scientists are still unclear" to find articles to support your claims?

FYI the Daily Mail is a tabloid newspaper. Just like we have "the Bomb" here in T&T. It's sister publication is the Sun which is famous for it's page 3 topless girl in the UK.

They have a lot of lawsuits pending for libel, slander and all round misinformation from Elton John to the BBC.

They do carry true news as well which is often found in other more reliable publications as well such as CNN and BBC.

regardless, what does that have to do with megadoc1's "powerful" group stopping flooding in T&T since they have the authority of Jesus Christ. If they can heal people they can stop the flooding and suffering of thousands!

Jesus did say that if you had faith the size of a mustard seed, one could move mountains. Maybe it is not God's will that they stop the flooding.

You should not have any problem with the articles I bring from the Daily Mail because they usually end up in the more "respectable" papers anyhow. Isn't this some of the "empirical" evidence you are so fond of quoting?

[bluefete]

God ain't leading me to megadoc1 church.

And thats bs about "well go see if God cud heal u na, but if he doesn't its because he have a a reason"

Thats pure idiocy.

Hebrews 11

1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


You still have to surrender to the will of God.

[QG]

ABA lemmih know when yuh wah make a pass up in psychodoc church, we go make it a chuna church lime

[megadoc1]

God ain't leading me to megadoc1 church.

And thats bs about "well go see if God cud heal u na, but if he doesn't its because he have a a reason"

Thats pure idiocy.

doh worry yourself it is God's will for you to be healed
it have nothing to do with you, or what you think about God he loves you first.
anytime yuh ready call meh 752-3153

ABA lemmih know when yuh wah make a pass up in psychodoc church, we go make it a chuna church lime

hear yuh now last time yuh turn down the offer, anyways when yuh ready

[Chimera]

We coming for proof.

Honestly if I leave there without the pain I am accustomed too and have grown to live with, I will post the truth here.

But if I don't, well......

but umm....feel it guh hadda be a tuesday tho, friday/saturday/sunday, I tend to live in sin

[bluefete]

Duane: Back to the Monkey people: (More "EMPIRICAL" Evidence?)

HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



BTW: Wasn't Lucy discredited among the scientific community?


Scientists stunned as they discover our ancestor 'Lucy' used stone tools to butcher animals 3.4million years ago

By David Derbyshire
Last updated at 10:45 PM on 11th August 2010


Our ancient ancestors were using tools to butcher meat one million years earlier than previously thought, scientists revealed tonight in a discovery that will rewrite the history of mankind.

In an extraordinary find, archaeologists discovered the marks of sharp stone blades on animals bones cast aside 3.4 million years ago.

The tools were used to carve slices of meat off the bones, and smash them open to reach the nutritious marrow inside.

The finding has stunned scientists who say the first use of tools is one of the pivotal moments of humanity's development.

Two parallel cut marks made by stone tools cutting into tissues on the rib of something similar to a cow

Dr Zeresenay Alemseged, from the California Academy of Sciences who found the bones in Africa, said: 'The discovery dramatically shifts the known time frame of a game-changing behaviour for our ancestors.

'Tool use fundamentally altered the way our early ancestors interacted with nature, allowing them to eat new types of food and exploit new territories.

'It also led to tool making - a critical step in our evolutionary path that eventually enabled such advanced technologies as airplanes, MRI machines and iPhones.'

Until now, the oldest known tool was around 2.4 million years old.

The marks were discovered on a fossilised bone unearthed in the Afar region of Ethiopia. The bones were butchered by an squat ape-like ancestor called Australopithecus afarensis.

The best known member of the species is 'Lucy' - who was found in Ethiopia's Awash Valley in 1974 and named after the Beatles' song Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.

Lucy was around 3ft 6inches and walked upright.

He added: 'This find will definitely force us to revise our text books on human evolution, since it pushes the evidence for tool use and meat eating in our family back by nearly a million years.

'These developments had a huge impact on the story of humanity.'

The latest find was made in Dikika, Ethiopia, 200 yards from the site where Dr Alemseged's team discovered a 3.3 million year old ape relative of Lucy's called Selam in 2000.

Selam was the most complete skeleton of a human ancestor ever found and was nicknamed 'Lucy's daughter'.

'After a decade of studying Selam's remains and searching for additional clues about her life, we can now add a significant new detail to her story,' he said.

'In light of these new findings, it is very likely that Selam carried stone flakes and helped members of her family as they butchered animal remains.'

Ancestor: A sculptor's impression of Lucy, the ape-like human ancestor named Australopithecus afarensis. I certainly could see the resemblance.

The discovery, reported in the journal Nature, is the first evidence that Lucy and her relatives used tools.

Dr Shannon McPherron, of the Max Planck Institute in Leipzig, Germany said: "Now, when we imagine Lucy walking around the East African landscape looking for food, we can for the first time imagine her with a stone tool in hand and looking for meat.

The skull of Selam - the world's oldest child which was found in Ethiopia

'With stone tools in hand to quickly pull off the flesh and break open bones, animal carcasses would have become a more attractive source of food.

'This type of behaviour sent us down a path that would lead to two of the defining features of our species- carnivory and tool manufacture and use.'

The two butchered bones were sandwiched between two layers of volcanic soil dated to 3.24 and 3.42 million years old. The bones were located much closer to the older sediment.

Dr Jonathan Wynn of the University of South Florida, said: 'We can very securely say that the bones were marked by stone tools between 3.42 and 3.24 million years go, and that within this range the date is most likely 3.4 million years ago.'

One of the two bones was a piece of rib from a mammal the size of a cow. The other was a fragment of leg from a goat-sized mammal.

An analysis of the bones showed the marks were made before they were fossilised. However, it is impossible to tell whether Lucy's relatives were making flint and stone tools - or simply picking up sharp stones from the ground.

Until now, the oldest evidence of tools came from Bouri in Ethiopia where cut-marked bones were dated to around 2.5 million years ago. The oldest known stone tools - dated to the same period - were found close by.

Project leader Zeresenay Alemseged excavating a freshly found 3.4 million year-old Rhino fossil of a species that lived at the same time and place where 'Lucy' butchered carcasses using stone tools

Two bones that have been damaged by a stone tool that were found in Dikika, Ethiopia. Human ancestors were using stone tools to carve meat from the bone of wild animals nearly a million years earlier than thought

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z0wLyEndP6

Why can't scientists get these years right? If they only followed the biblical information, they would not have to keep revising by millions of years. I guess carbon dating is not all it is made out to be, huh, Duane?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z0wLxDaqBg

[megadoc1]

because you failed to see that we are talking about two things
one is healing and one is crime ...who is committing the crime?

what about the flooding? Why not fix that?

well Jesus did control the weather

Mark 4:39-41
39He got up, rebuked the wind and said to the waves, "Quiet! Be still!" Then the wind died down and it was completely calm.

40He said to his disciples, "Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?"

41They were terrified and asked each other, "Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!"

and then he said in

John 14:12-14
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

so I believe its up to Christians to command it

[d spike]

Just had a phone convo with megadoc1, for one, he doesn't sound stark raving mad as he does in his posts here.

I might possibly go check out the church

#12 Anne Street, Woodbrook

Would be interesting to hear about it, especially its history and origin - as megadoc seems rather silent on that topic.

well come see for yourself nuh
come and see why I does get my kicks on you and
yuh posts

I really wish you would learn to use the language you mouth. I never said I wanted to experience/see/visit your pastor's version of a collection-basket disguised as an institution. I specified that HEARING ABOUT IT, ESPECIALLY ITS HISTORY AND ORIGIN, was where my interest lay - as you were not forthcoming with this information.
Why you do what you do, does not interest me.

[bluefete]

When will they (orangutangs) evolve speech? - Monty Magpie, Newcastle, 11/8/2010 17:47

Evolution is unguided, without direction. There will be no evolution of true speech in non-human primates unless the right mutations occur and get selected. There is no inevitability to speech arising in intelligent creatures.

Comparisons of the human genome and the chimp genome shows that key mutations in genes linked to brain development have been heavily selected in humans in the last 6 million years or so. These include ASPM and HAR (Human Accelerated Region), which are control genes for brain development, and FOXP2 which is important to the ability of the brain to control the face and mouth for speech. Recent recovery of DNA from Neanderthal remains reveals that they posessed the same mutated FOXP2 gene as humans. Many of these mutated genes are associated also with the unique ability of humans to faithfully imitate the behaviour of others - a key foundation for language learning.

- Stuart, Chelmsford, 11/8/2010 18:16

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z0wLzfU67p

So if evolution is unguided, how can the right mutations for speech "randomly" occur and get selected in human primates and not in the simians?

[megadoc1]

We coming for proof.

Honestly if I leave there without the pain I am accustomed too and have grown to live with, I will post the truth here.

But if I don't, well......

but umm....feel it guh hadda be a tuesday tho, friday/saturday/sunday, I tend to live in sin

anytime you ready it is all yours
every stripe and wounds that Jesus received was for our healing

[d spike]

ABA lemmih know when yuh wah make a pass up in psychodoc church, we go make it a chuna church lime

Don't expect to find a collection of megadocians. It's quite likely just another perfectly little decent bunch doing their own thing. Megadoc is the way he is, either because he chooses to present himself in that awkward fashion, or something is just wrong with him - not because of the people he worships with. His problem is not his religion, but rather, how he presents it.

[sparky]

If science is right then God is a liar. God is NOT A LIAR so science have to be the liar. Mr Duane. The things that are happening around the world are signs that the end is near and it will get worse. While Jesus still have on his high priest robe in heaven,there is still little time left for mankind to repent from their ways and turn to Jesus. Jesus has fulfilled the requirements of the earthly sanctuary, which was fully establish on the earth by GOD through Moses, Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for sin once and for all, in the earthly sanctuary for all of mankind.Now he is our High Priest, who lives forever, interceding on behalf of mankind in the heavenly sanctuary. Now a direct link is available in heaven, to all of mankind through JESUS because he is our only High Priest. God wants mankind to live forever and he has a plan for that, the choice is ours to make.