The Religion Discussion

[d spike]

but I told you get someone and come see for your self look meh number here
752-3153 look the website here,http://www.championdynamics.org/about.asp
and look the address here #12 anna street wood brook
time for you to stop making excuse and experience love that God have for you

What is it with this "come and see for yourself" gimmick?

What else did you expect?
How are you expected to help stuff collection-baskets if you sit behind a keyboard at home?
How is megadoc going to get his commission if you don't come? (and remember, he'll want that double commission - I told you get someone and come)
You really expect them to make the same mistake as the Zoroastrians?
New blood...

[megadoc1]

because the good things I do I believe it is Jesus christ
doing it through me but if I am wrong then i would have been doing it all by myself ,can't you understand that?
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what is wrong with doing it all by yourself?
well if the bible is truth I would be prideful

yes agreed ! if they were right but i did not ask you that ,stop straying ....I asked what if you are wrong?

If I am wrong about gravity? About the earth being billions of years old? Wrong about what? Wrong because I do not share your myopic beliefs? keep dancing

healing is a demonstration of his love towards us

So what is wrong with saving people from flood?nothing Wouldn't that be a demonstration too? yes


These exorcisms and healings you claim at these ministries are demonstrations for the congregation?try applying your logic to that and see if it makes sense

but I told you get someone and come see for your self look meh number here
752-3153 look the website here,http://www.championdynamics.org/about.asp
and look the address here #12 anna street wood brook
time for you to stop making excuse and experience love that God have for you

What is it with this "come and see for yourself" gimmick? is not you the one who wanted evidence? I am giving you the opportunity to see for yourselves......... thats why when yuh was talking science, I asked you how committed were you to science because I was gonna extend this offer to you but now it seems you didn't even want to know if its truth and was just on games
If what you were doing was true then it would be public knowledge! it is Why isn't it?nobody said it wasn't stop playing smart , I posted a website
If it were true then we wouldn't need the govt to build hospitals.
nonsense

and that the earth is 6000 years old!

here we go again

again? but you never proved it! I don't need too

Perhaps you are asking someone else in your "group" for assistance in answering these questions; can you direct him/her to come here and answer them directly? as I feel your debating skills are not doing him/her justice.I just hope all your former statements were not assumed like this one

[megadoc1]

you said your group is powerful and I suggest that you use that power to do something about helping thousands of ppl in T&T and you tell me that I am looking for a God to serve me? ,we are not here to serve temporal things and thats what the world is doing serving the temporary

James 2:15-16
Suppose there are brothers or sisters who need clothes and don’t have enough to eat. What good is there in your saying to them, “God bless you! Keep warm and eat well!” – if you don’t give them the necessities of life?

no good at all , but this here is scriptural stuff this is what we are to do

but I told you get someone and come see for your self look meh number here
752-3153 look the website here,http://www.championdynamics.org/about.asp
and look the address here #12 anna street wood brook
time for you to stop making excuse and experience love that God have for you

What is it with this "come and see for yourself" gimmick?

What else did you expect?
How are you expected to help stuff collection-baskets if you sit behind a keyboard at home?
How is megadoc going to get his commission if you don't come? (and remember, he'll want that double commission - I told you get someone and come)
You really expect them to make the same mistake as the Zoroastrians?
New blood...

nah d spike it is not about money at least trust me with that one when I told him bring someone I meant someone he knows, who was ailing, that way he would have seen for himself ...anyways about the money parthttp://www.championdynamics.org/articles/viewarticle.asp?ArticleID=10013&index=0

[DFC]

wayyy duane and Spike.

Zoroaster come in d action....

Allyuh fellas reall reading.

I wish megaduck and bluefete could do the same.


Zoroastrian philosophy is one of my favourites.

And i recommend Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Friedrich Nietzsche.
To expand thoughts a lil bit.

So 3 things i wanna point out here.

Ancient Egypt-3000 BC.
Horus-Born of a Virgin.Adorned by the 3 kings.

Greece-1200BC
Attis- Born of a virgin. died for 3 days and was resurrected.

Persia-1200BC
Mithra- Born of a virgin. Performed miracles. Died for 3 days and was resurrected.

and also check out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Christ_in_comparative_mythology

and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory

should shed some light on Who Jesus is.


And d spike. Fire worshippers still do exist in india. And practise their religion bravely on the banks of the ganges in Varnasi. i've seen them recently.
And you have read Dvaita (dualism) what are your takes on Advaita (non-dualism) ?


Megaduck and blufete...have u studied any other scripture besides your bible?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

well if the bible is truth I would be prideful

you can't be right and wrong at the same time.
it's sad that you can't reason simple logic.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

How is megadoc going to get his commission if you don't come? (and remember, he'll want that double commission - I told you get someone and come)
You really expect them to make the same mistake as the Zoroastrians?
New blood...

nah d spike it is not about money at least trust me with that one when I told him bring someone I meant someone he knows, who was ailing, that way he would have seen for himself ...anyways about the money parthttp://www.championdynamics.org/articles/viewarticle.asp?ArticleID=10013&index=0

in essence http://www.championdynamics.org/give_to_cdi.asp

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There are several ways that you may choose to give to support the ministry of Champion Dynamics International.

I would like to:

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We thank you dearly for your financial support and for being used by God to enable us to meet the financial needs of the ministry.

May our Lord make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work.

and then in the long article

Any service to God that is not rooted in faith that works by love is not acceptable to God or is simply dead religion and is surely a waste of time, energy and money in God’s eyes.

Since when God cares about money and wasting it?

[Chimera]

The power of Christ Compels you

[d spike]

so what's God point of view wrt to a tuner shootin himself in the head?

Hmmm... why don't you try it, and let's see...

[d spike]

wayyy duane and Spike.
Zoroaster come in d action....
Allyuh fellas reall reading.
That was long ago, when I had time.

And you have read Dvaita (dualism) what are your takes on Advaita (non-dualism) ?
Slow down! I have never read "Dvaita". (Perhaps I should say "Dvaita minute... Advaita minute if I were you." ) In my studies we came across the term "Dualism" to refer to a religion that believes in 2 gods - one good, one evil. (Real football-match style religion! ) As Zoroastrianism was the first religion western scholars came across that taught this concept in a pure form, that religion was also referred to as "Dualism".

Pardon my ignorance, but would "non-dualism" refer to monotheism, or the real ole time t'ing with a whole gang (Zeus n' the boys)... or both?

[d spike]

why is duane up at this hour?

Probably due to a recurring nightmare about going to megadoc's gathering, and finding a bunch of folks around an unlit bonfire with a large upright stake in the middle... and someone says out loud as he approaches, "Look! Is that the heretic?"

[megadoc1]

well if the bible is truth I would be prideful

you can't be right and wrong at the same time.
it's sad that you can't reason simple logic.

lol... you keep playing games

How is megadoc going to get his commission if you don't come? (and remember, he'll want that double commission - I told you get someone and come)
You really expect them to make the same mistake as the Zoroastrians?
New blood...

nah d spike it is not about money at least trust me with that one when I told him bring someone I meant someone he knows, who was ailing, that way he would have seen for himself ...anyways about the money parthttp://www.championdynamics.org/articles/viewarticle.asp?ArticleID=10013&index=0

in essence http://www.championdynamics.org/give_to_cdi.asp

Support Us Financially

What a tremendous and lovely calling we have from our Lord that we can be counted worthy to be called workers together with Him. It truly is a privilege to give to support the work and advancement of our Lord’s most precious Gospel. The Bible declares that God so loved the world that He gave. Your giving is an expression of your love as you help us reach the world with the saving power of Jesus Christ.

There are several ways that you may choose to give to support the ministry of Champion Dynamics International.

I would like to:

- Give online - Available Soon
- Give by mail - Available Soon

We thank you dearly for your financial support and for being used by God to enable us to meet the financial needs of the ministry.

May our Lord make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work.

this is when you do things rooted in love


and then in the long article

Any service to God that is not rooted in faith that works by love is not acceptable to God or is simply dead religion and is surely a waste of time, energy and money in God’s eyes.

this is when u doing things to look good
or you think God will bless you for it or you only feel compel to do things because God says so

Since when God cares about money and wasting it? because the money that Christians have does not belong to them, it belongs to God , and they are responsible with what they do with their father's money(put it to every good work)
but things becomes wasteful is when people do it because the feel they have too
or simply ,they want to do good(good works )so that God may bless them

[sMASH]

[megadoc1]

why is duane up at this hour?

Probably due to a recurring nightmare about going to megadoc's gathering, and finding a bunch of folks around an unlit bonfire with a large upright stake in the middle... and someone says out loud as he approaches, "Look! Is that the heretic?"

man you are something else
but seriously that is not love , a man can say the worst about God
but God only responds in love, the more you hate or disrespect God is the more he responds in love and anyone who seek to harm you for God, does not know God

[toyo682]

Like alyuh specialize in reading the Bible out of context. Jesus did not say in this passage to bring his enemies and kill them in from of him, read the parable in context.

The Parable of the Ten Minas
11While they were listening to this, he went on to tell them a parable, because he was near Jerusalem and the people thought that the kingdom of God was going to appear at once. 12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'

14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'

15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'

17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'

18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'

19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'

20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'

22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'

24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'

25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'

26"He replied (the king), 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

[megadoc1]

Like alyuh specialize in reading the Bible out of context.

can't expect anything better, they are opportunist but if that is what they believe
then what about the part where the bible is corrupted?
that was nothing but another deceitful act or simply lack of understanding and
when yuh jam them in a corner they will say "well I am not a scholar "


but sMASH check this comment on the video

No offense, but this is the worst scholarship I've ever seen. I am Muslim but I'm not willing to give up academic integrity to prove a point. The passage in Luke is part of a parable Jesus is giving. He was quoting a hypothetical "noble man."
Please Muslims, don't share this video. It's embarrassing.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

a man can say the worst about God
but God only responds in love, the more you hate or disrespect God is the more he responds in love and anyone who seek to harm you for God, does not know God

I can agree with that.
Why then the great flood, eternal sin, satan etc etc?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

wayyy duane and Spike.
Zoroaster come in d action....
Allyuh fellas reall reading.
That was long ago, when I had time.

And you have read Dvaita (dualism) what are your takes on Advaita (non-dualism) ?
Slow down! I have never read "Dvaita". (Perhaps I should say "Dvaita minute... Advaita minute if I were you." ) In my studies we came across the term "Dualism" to refer to a religion that believes in 2 gods - one good, one evil. (Real football-match style religion! ) As Zoroastrianism was the first religion western scholars came across that taught this concept in a pure form, that religion was also referred to as "Dualism".

Pardon my ignorance, but would "non-dualism" refer to monotheism, or the real ole time t'ing with a whole gang (Zeus n' the boys)... or both?

Dualism is the yin and yang, light and dark, sun and moon, earth and sea. Equal Opposites where one cannot exist without the other.

If there was no satan, would there be a need for faith and religion?

[megadoc1]

a man can say the worst about God
but God only responds in love, the more you hate or disrespect God is the more he responds in love and anyone who seek to harm you for God, does not know God

I can agree with that.
Why then the great flood, was Gods anger with maneternal sin Jesus died to free us from it, satan the god of this world etc etc?

duane remember God is Holy and righteous If he kills you to day, who is there to say he is wrong or right? He can destroy your soul if he wants and theres no one who can question him
so are you questioning Him about who He destroyed?
then first you need to ask your self " who am I to question the one who made me and can destroy me?"

but maybe he allowed destruction of others ,so that you might understand who's in charge
and escape his infinite wrath

[megadoc1]

Dualism is the yin and yang, light and dark, sun and moon, earth and sea. Equal Opposites where one cannot exist without the other.

If there was no satan, would there be a need for faith and religion? nice question..... but look at the sun and the moon with "science" are they equal? can the sun not survive without the moon? is the earth and sea equal? is light and dark equal? can darkness overcome light? or is darkness the absence of light?

satan or no satan you must have faith in God this is between you and God ,it have nothing to do with satan

[toyo682]

@smash,
[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet. And He has made me blessed wherever I am and has enjoined upon me prayer and zakah as long as I remain alive And [made me] dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a wretched tyrant. And peace is on me the day I was born and the day I will die and the day I am raised alive[/size]." That is Jesus, the son of Mary - the word of truth about which they are in dispute.
Surat Maryam 19:30-34

So when he had left them and those they worshipped other than Allah , We gave him Isaac and Jacob, and each [of them] We made a prophet. And We gave them of Our mercy, and we made for them a reputation of high honor. Surat Maryam 19:49-50

And mention in the Book, Moses. Indeed, he was chosen, and he was a messenger and a prophet.And We called him from the side of the mount at [his] right and brought him near, confiding [to him]. And We gave him out of Our mercy his brother Aaron as a prophet. Surat Maryam 19:51-53


So two question,

In the passage above Jesus said Allah granted him peace when he was born, but goes on to say that he (Jesus) will be granted this peace when he dies, and raise alive. when will this death and raising alive take place for Jesus?

Who is the we that Allah is referring to in these passages?


http://quran.com/19

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

maybe he allowed destruction of others ,so that you might understand who's in charge
and escape his infinite wrath

infinite love from your last post or infinite wrath or both?

So what you are saying is that God might kill someone to teach another person a lesson?

Dualism is the yin and yang, light and dark, sun and moon, earth and sea. Equal Opposites where one cannot exist without the other.

If there was no satan, would there be a need for faith and religion? nice question..... but look at the sun and the moon with "science" are they equal? can the sun not survive without the moon? is the earth and sea equal? is light and dark equal? can darkness overcome light? or is darkness the absence of light?

satan or no satan you must have faith in God this is between you and God ,it have nothing to do with satan

I posted about a concept. It is not MY belief.
PLEASE learn to read and understand!
It is pointless having a discussion with you when you seem to lack these basic skills.

Please read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

It also seems that you refuse to understand other beliefs and concepts. Is it that you fear you might begin to understand why other people believe what they believe?

[megadoc1]

maybe he allowed destruction of others ,so that you might understand who's in charge
and escape his infinite wrath

infinite love from your last post or infinite wrath or both? it is our choice (free will)

So what you are saying is that God might kill someone to teach another person a lesson?
God allows destruction yes check Mr Gear's post

Adam and Eve were actually spared as things would have been much worse in terms of punishment. That story is taken from the old testament. There is a new testament today but nevertheless, to answer your question. Adam & Eve needed to commit sin as an example of what punishment would be given out to those that disobeyed. They were never meant to exist on earth alone forever so with the expectation of the world being as populated as it is today, it was necessary for Adam & Eve to sin and be punished as an example. Remember with Adam & Eve there are things that went wrong but lots of other things that went right too. This sin was allowed to occur to show that with obedience there is great reward yet with sin there is punishment. It was necessary for this to happen Today we would call it collateral damage.

Dualism is the yin and yang, light and dark, sun and moon, earth and sea. Equal Opposites where one cannot exist without the other.

If there was no satan, would there be a need for faith and religion? nice question..... but look at the sun and the moon with "science" are they equal? can the sun not survive without the moon? is the earth and sea equal? is light and dark equal? can darkness overcome light? or is darkness the absence of light?

satan or no satan you must have faith in God this is between you and God ,it have nothing to do with satan

I posted about a concept. It is not MY belief.ok but my belief isn't yours either but you used science to refute it , why is it that science cannot work both ways? ..look how easy science shut that down ,is science now irrelevant?
PLEASE learn to read and understand! ok
It is pointless having a discussion with you when you seem to lack these basic skills.
so why beat up?

Please read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang
not interested, lets stick to the true and living God

It also seems that you refuse to understand other beliefs and concepts.hear you nah ..aren't you the one who appears to be "struggling" to understand the Christian concept? Is it that you fear you might begin to understand why other people believe what they believe? do you understand why I believe what I believe? would you take me up on my offer ? or is it that you fear you might begin to understand why I believe what I believe?

[QG]

a man can say the worst about God
but God only responds in love, the more you hate or disrespect God is the more he responds in love and anyone who seek to harm you for God, does not know God

I can agree with that.
Why then the great flood, eternal sin, satan etc etc?

God kill sinners who are deeply lost in sin and has no will or intensions of repenting.

God knows the heart of men!

[QG]

That diagram failed to give the reason as to why God killed so many lol.

[d spike]

It also seems that you refuse to understand other beliefs and concepts.hear you nah ..aren't you the one who appears to be "struggling" to understand the Christian concept?

Good grief... megadoc, you don't read anybody's posts, do you? Duane has made it quite clear that he is very well acquainted with the "Christian concept", as you put it. What he is "struggling" to understand, as most of us are as well, is YOUR DISTINCTLY INDIVIDUALIZED VERSION of it.

You have displayed a most peculiar and self-centered adaptation of fundamental christianity - in itself, a warped thing, disarraying the most obvious aspects of Christianity - but you go even further, magnifying its selfish core of sole personal salvation and allowing this selfishness to manifest itself in your attitude towards others.
(I have come across this peculiar manifestation a few times already, but it was apparent that the victims of this malaise had serious personal problems that were not being dealt with properly.)
You claim not to care about others, yet you seem anxious to invite people to this church of yours in order for them to be "helped".
You make many attempts to communicate with others - but you have no wish to hear what they have to say, dismissing or just ignoring their statements. (Newsflash: that ain't communicating... that's just broadcasting. Why not just pay for an advertisement here on Tuner?)
I agree with Duane's call to converse with one of your church's "peers", for it seems rather obvious that you are incapable of real communication and dialogue. So if you REALLY want tuners to hear about your group, get a member who is capable of social interaction with the necessary language skills, and invite them onto the forum.

[d spike]

God kill sinners who are deeply lost in sin and has no will or intensions of repenting.

Wow. You certainly can't get any more infinitely kind, patient, loving, merciful and forgiving than this can you?


(sigh)
Perhaps a less literal approach to scripture might be more beneficial to those who grasp too tightly to the statement quoted above.

[Rainman]

God kill sinners who are deeply lost in sin and has no will or intensions of repenting.

God knows the heart of men!

You'd think he would be able to spell when interpreting scripture.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

It also seems that you refuse to understand other beliefs and concepts.hear you nah ..aren't you the one who appears to be "struggling" to understand the Christian concept?

Good grief... megadoc, you don't read anybody's posts, do you? Duane has made it quite clear that he is very well acquainted with the "Christian concept", as you put it. What he is "struggling" to understand, as most of us are as well, is YOUR DISTINCTLY INDIVIDUALIZED VERSION of it.

You have displayed a most peculiar and self-centered adaptation of fundamental christianity - in itself, a warped thing, disarraying the most obvious aspects of Christianity - but you go even further, magnifying its selfish core of sole personal salvation and allowing this selfishness to manifest itself in your attitude towards others.
(I have come across this peculiar manifestation a few times already, but it was apparent that the victims of this malaise had serious personal problems that were not being dealt with properly.)
You claim not to care about others, yet you seem anxious to invite people to this church of yours in order for them to be "helped".
You make many attempts to communicate with others - but you have no wish to hear what they have to say, dismissing or just ignoring their statements. (Newsflash: that ain't communicating... that's just broadcasting. Why not just pay for an advertisement here on Tuner?)
I agree with Duane's call to converse with one of your church's "peers", for it seems rather obvious that you are incapable of real communication and dialogue. So if you REALLY want tuners to hear about your group, get a member who is capable of social interaction with the necessary language skills, and invite them onto the forum.

thank you for the clarification!

I am only confused by megadoc1's strange beliefs

[megadoc1]

It also seems that you refuse to understand other beliefs and concepts.hear you nah ..aren't you the one who appears to be "struggling" to understand the Christian concept?

Good grief... megadoc, you don't read anybody's posts, do you? Duane has made it quite clear that he is very well acquainted with the "Christian concept",where ? as you put it. What he is "struggling" to understand, as most of us are as well, is YOUR DISTINCTLY INDIVIDUALIZED VERSION of it. hehe!

You have displayed a most peculiar and self-centered adaptation of fundamental christianity - in itself, a warped thing, disarraying the most obvious aspects of Christianity - but you go even further, magnifying its selfish core of sole personal salvation and allowing this selfishness to manifest itself in your attitude towards others.
tells allot about your understanding
(I have come across this peculiar manifestation a few times already, but it was apparent that the victims of this malaise had serious personal problems that were not being dealt with properly.)yeah right
You claim not to care about others,where ? yet you seem anxious to invite people to this church of yours in order for them to be "helped".
You make many attempts to communicate with others - but you have no wish to hear what they have to say,you have proof of this? dismissing or just ignoring their statements. (Newsflash: that ain't communicating... that's just broadcasting. Why not just pay for an advertisement here on Tuner?)
I agree with Duane's call to converse with one of your church's "peers", for it seems rather obvious that you are incapable of real communication and dialogue. So if you REALLY want tuners to hear about your group, get a member who is capable of social interaction with the necessary language skills, and invite them onto the forum.

nice try, on the forums here toyo82 is a fellow brother in Christ is he not qualified? you really think you would hear something different? try not to be leading others into thinking so...yes that is exactly what you do

now check the cop out

thank you for the clarification!
I am only confused by megadoc1's strange beliefs

only saving face

[megadoc1]

a man can say the worst about God
but God only responds in love, the more you hate or disrespect God is the more he responds in love and anyone who seek to harm you for God, does not know God

I can agree with that.
Why then the great flood, eternal sin, satan etc etc?

God kill sinners who are deeply lost in sin and has no will or intensions of repenting.

God knows the heart of men!

to me that picture is scary ...question is who or Why should I fall into the hands of this God ?...I think the people posting this pic are not looking at it seriously
satan can destroy your life,God can destroy your soul, who should I fear?