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Re: Anyone here suffers with acid reflux/ gerd ?

Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 8:09 am

bluesteel dont drink

naresh dont eat to late in the night

premera eating habits causes the excessive bile

dfc i am gonna try the apple cider vinegar it worth a try di a lot of research on it

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Re: Anyone here suffers with acid reflux/ gerd ?

Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 8:14 am

Yeo wrote:Have had acid reflux/gerd over 8 yrs now. Done multiple endoscopy's over the years. I used to have a bleeding ulcer. Now I take 1 Prilosec/Omezaprole pill a day and I good. If I miss a pill, trust me, I know immediately. If I eat anything spicy at night, I WILL wake up gagging... and Heidi sends me to the couch...


Yeo try two teaspoons of apple cidar vinegar in a 8 oz glass of water you could also put a little honey in it, take it before meals or anytime the symptoms coming on. its not medication so give it a try, there are alot of side effects taking these pills everyday eh they say it make the problem worse after a while, the body becomes immune to the tablets

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Re: Anyone here suffers with acid reflux/ gerd ?

Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 8:19 am

So what is acid reflux and how are vinegar and acid reflux related?

Acid reflux or heartburn occurs when strong stomach acid leaks back up into the esophagus. The esophagus is the tube which carries food from your mouth to your stomach.

When you swallow, a circular band of muscle around the bottom part of the esophagus relaxes to allow food and liquid to enter into your stomach.

Normally this muscle valve, called the lower esophageal sphincter (LES), is closed and keeps the digestive acid and food inside the stomach where it belongs.

However if the LES valve opens when it shouldn't, hydrochloric acid from the stomach can reflux back and touch the lining of the esophagus.

This can cause a burning sensation in the chest or throat known as acid reflux or heartburn.

Most people experience the occasional episode of heartburn and although unpleasant, it is generally nothing to worry about. Frequent or constant heartburn however can be a serious problem and is the most common symptom of gastro-esophageal reflux disease (GERD).

Ref: Mayo Clinic Staff, Oct 18, 2005. ( Web Link )


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Treatments

Two approaches commonly advocated for the treatment of heartburn or acid reflux include:

1.Using medication to reduce stomach acid.
◦Over-the-counter antacids are often used to decrease or completely neutralize the amount of acid in the stomach. They are most effective when taken about 1 hour after a meal.

◦Prescription medication such as H-2-receptor blockers or Proton pump inhibitors are used to reduce the production of stomach acid as opposed to just neutralizing the acid. They provide longer relief than antacids but don't act as quickly and are generally taken before meals and at bedtime as needed.


■These drugs however are associated with many side effects, one of which was reported in a recent issue of The Journal of the American Medical Association.

There It was concluded that taking the class of drugs known as proton pump inhibitors (PPI) for more than a year significantly increased the risk of hip breakage in people over 50. The risk was found to increase with increased dosage and the longer the drug was taken.
The researchers believe that the PPI therapy may inhibit the body's ability to absorb calcium which then leads to weaker bones and fractures.

Reference: JAMA. 2006; 296:2947-2953. ( Web Link )




2.Dietary and lifestyle changes such as:
◦The reduction or elimination of foods and other intakes that can increase the secretion of hydrochloric acid in the stomach and/or relax the LES muscle (and thereby aggravate the problem) such as nicotine (from smoking), alcohol, chocolate, high fat meals, foods which contain high amounts of calcium and protein, and certain calming herbs like peppermint.


◦Losing weight if you are overweight or obese since excess body weight puts extra pressure the stomach and surrounding muscles which can force open the LES valve when it shouldn't be. Similarly, eating smaller meals will reduce the pressure on the LES muscle.

Vinegar and Acid Reflux - The Natural Home Treatment

A third approach (a popular natural home remedy) to help reduce or eliminate acid reflux is to take the following apple cider vinegar tonic:


Natural ACV Tonic


2 or 3 teaspoons (10-15 ml) in an 8 ounce glass of water,
before meals or whenever heartburn is experienced.



One underlying theory here is that the acetic acid in vinegar lowers stomach acidity (increases its pH) since acetic acid is a weaker acid than hydrochloric acid. It is also believed that vinegar (acetic acid along with its acetate salt) may help buffer and maintain stomach acid at a pH level of about 3.0. In this milder acidic environment, the stomach can still efficiently digest food but it causes less problems with the esophagus and thus less heartburn.



Another theory contends that the lower esophageal sphincter (LES) is a pH sensitive valve.
When there is food in the stomach with insufficient acid present, the LES valve can periodically flop open, causing acid reflux.
Too little acid in the stomach may be caused by different factors, but one of the most common one is that, as we grow older, our body does not produce as much stomach acid.
As a result the LES valve, sensing less acid, periodically flops open causing acid reflux.
Drinking apple cider vinegar supplies the LES valve with the acidity it needs to function properly.

Ref: http://issuu.com/thebestoftimes/docs/december2008/34 ( Web Link )

Improved digestion and mineral absorption from regular intake of the apple cider vinegar tonic may also play a role in reducing acid reflux.




So if you are concerned about possible side effects with prescription drugs or even over-the-counter medications, try combining some of the dietary and lifestyle changes mentioned above along with a tonic of apple cider vinegar before meals as an all natural way to alleviate occasional heartburn symptoms or as a preventative practice. Vinegar and acid reflux could be a combination that works well for you.

If you are searching for a more comprehensive step by step holistic system to cure your acid reflux then have a look at Jeff Martin's e-book
called " Heartburn No More".

In this 186 page book Jeff Martin, who was himself a longtime heartburn sufferer, discloses the completely natural system he and numerous others have used to rid themselves of heartburn in all levels of severity.

The e-book can be downloaded to your computer immediately and comes with a 2 month instant money back guarantee.





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User Feedback Comments on
Vinegar and Acid Reflux

Name: Jay Mcphee
Location: Otago, New Zealand
Date: September 19, 2010

I have had chronic reflux for about 3 months now and loosing sleep, constant pain, hard to swallow food. However a friend said try ACV, I thought to my self, YEA right.

3 days later, very sleep depraved, I had a meeting with my boss at his home. Having told him about my loss of sleep he told me that he has a dessert spoon with honey in hot water every morning he said it fixed it so as long as he takes it every morning .

At this point I asked him for a sample and its quite good I thought.

Later that day I went down to supermarket brought acv and have NEVER NEVER had one issue with reflux EVER AGAIN and I can eat what I want whenever I want.

I strongly recommended you try it, it truly is a Very good fix.


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Name: Elaine
Location: New York, United States
Date: September 09, 2010

I developed acid reflux in the third trimester of pregnancy which is just over a year ago.

I suffered with heartburn, chest pain and pain in my left shoulder blade. I was really scared there was something very serious going on.

My GP suggested l go for an endoscope, which l am currently awaiting an appointment, as she suspects l may have acid reflux. in the meantime l have been put on medication to try alleviate the problem.

While browsing the internet l came across this site and decided to try Apple cider vinegar. I've only tried it in the past two days but already feel the difference. I use one tablespoon in boiled water at bedtime. It makes a nice cuppa and is also very relaxing.

Hopefully this improvement will continue. Thanks so much to all of you whose comments have encouraged me to try ACV. It really does work.

Continued healing to you all. xx


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Name: Ann Dyer
Location: Connecticut, United States
Date: August 30, 2010

ACV is a perfect remedy for acid reflux.

Please be sure to take care to get it off your teeth. I used to sip on a drink of ACV and honey for much of the day and ended up with many cavities.

Drink it all at once, then swish mouth with water. Do not brush your teeth right away because the enamel gets soft because of the acidity.

Someone said to chew gum...sounds good. Wait about 1/2 hour to brush your teeth so your don't strip the enamel from your teeth.


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Name: Eliane Robert
Location: Haute Garonne, France
Date: August 26, 2010

(Translated from French)

Good evening,
Well listen, I came across this article, this forum and these comments while spending the week documenting this problem, new for me, but very painful. Worse than anything I have ever had, I think?
I will try.

5 minutes before the store opening, I was already waiting. I started (taking ACV) as soon as I arrived home, as well as this evening at the table. I don't know why, but I am already hurting much less. I took Omeprazole anyway, which up to then had no effect, nor Gaviscon. I will see tomorrow…

I hope I will not have any secondary effects, such as stomach aches or others, nor aggregate my case. But for now I am reviving a little. That's it, my personal experience.

I have not yet had any exams, just seen the doctor who has prescribed medications, and said that if my condition did not improve it would become necessary to have further exams.


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Name: Armando Quintero
Location: California, United States
Date: August 22, 2010

Amazing.
I have GERDS and also I have sleep apnea. Waking up feeling tired from acid discomfort during the night has been a regular thing for about 6 years.

A friend told me to take tablespoons of mustard to which I laughed. I researched it one day while I was bored and learned about the benefits of vinegar.

Took a spoonful yesterday after lunch and I felt a difference. Took another one after dinner, before bed and I wake up early this morning refreshed- a good night's rest for once.

I couldn't care less about the taste. If people can take a shot of whiskey to calm nerves who's to complain about a shot of vinegar to calm a stomach!


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Name: Sam
Location: California, United States
Date: August 22, 2010

After using PPI for more than 9 months with all side effect, finally, I give ACV a try.

It works wonderfully for a week now.

No more Nexium...


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Name: NODMOP
Location: Louisiana, United States
Date: August 15, 2010

I am a 56 year old male. Symptoms had me chasing heart problems, apnea, COPD and sinus allergies.

Entomologist diagnosed me with GERD and LPR (laryngopharyngeal reflux) and recommended PPIs.

After research . . . no rocket science or anything fancy, just a tablespoon or so of vinegar in a glass of tap water and drink. Compared to everything else I've tried, the taste is nothing to tolerate. I also elevate the head of my bed and have made a few other ENT recommended behavioral/(minor)diet changes.

All symptoms gone with no prescription or OTC medications.


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Name: Wayne
Location: Indiana, United States
Date: July 30, 2010

I have just been diagnosed with GERD. Of course I was given Protonix and Prilosec to remedy this problem.

After stumbling across this site, I read all of the comments on the page. All of the wonderful things I was reading encouraged me to try some vinegar.

I've had the Braggs brand in my kitchen for quite some time and am finally getting a chance to see if it works.

Playing it safe I took just a half tablespoon of the acv and followed it with about 6 oz. of distilled water. This was about an hour ago and already I feel a difference.

I will certainly be taking 2 tablespoons with water tonight and then some. I really do appreciate all of your comments. Thank You.


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Name: Jesus G.
Location: NY, United States
Date: July 30, 2010

I used to take Prilosec every day for two years.

After getting advice from family, I stopped taking the pills and I drink AVC two times a day. I mix ACV with apple juice and it tastes great. My reflux is gone and I feel much better about my health.

Also, I recommend chewing gum to clean the acid off your teeth, and it also helps with reflux.


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Name: Tamiko Jones
Location: Georgia, United States
Date: July 06, 2010

OMG...I'm a 35 year old mother of two and have had problems with heartburn and sour stomach since I was a child and my grandma would give me acv.

For years I didn't have a problem until I had my son 9 years ago and it got worse.

I have been taking all of these over the counter medicine which no longer help and tonight I couldn't take it anymore and I googled how to treat acid reflux and this remedy came up and the light bulb went off in my head.

I took the acv and it has started working already.

I'm so upset that I didn't remember this from my childhood and that I have been suffering for the last 9 years for nothing...It really does work everyone.


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Name: Margaret Amundson
Location: Michigan, United States
Date: June 26, 2010

Three years ago I was scoped and found out that I had esophagitis and old healed ulcers. The doctor sent me home and said to take antacids.

My condition has worsened to the point that my throat burns 24/7 and I can even vomit tums. I have tried all of the PPI's and the acid reducers. I have serious bloating, belching and pain.

The meds gave me abdominal pain and diarrhea. Desperate, I called to make an appointment with the specialist even though I did not think there was anything he could do for me.

One night I was in so much pain that I went on the internet and learned about people all over the world using ACV to treat reflux. I had read about it a year ago, but as a nurse, I reasoned that treating an acid problem with an acid didn't make sense.

I tried it two weeks ago and the improvement started the first day. I think it will take a little longer for the gastritis to calm down but the constant burning in my throat is 90% better. I use 1 tablespoon of vinegar in 6 oz of water with a package of Truvia morning and night. I drink it down and it tastes almost like lemonade. I hold my breath on the last swallow and then get a swallow of clear water before breathing. I rinse my mouth with water to get the acid off my teeth.

I cancelled my appointment with the gastroenterologist as I am getting better each day. I thank everyone for their testimonials.




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Name: Patricia Mcnamara
Location: New York, United States
Date: June 14, 2010

I've had acid reflux for at least 3 years.

After 2 endoscopies and barium swallow studies, the doctor prescribed Aciphex. It did help some, but the side effects are constipation & I still had some heartburn and bloating.

During this time, I probably gained at least 30 lbs.

It was suggested by a friend to try ACV for weight loss. I tried the vinegar in water and then in tea and the taste was really bad. I now take the ACV -one tablespoon twice daily and I chase it with a flavored water.

There is no more burning acid reflux, bloating or excessive gas.

Taking Apple Cider Vinegar has made me feel so much better.


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Name: Lorri
Location: New York, United States
Date: June 14, 2010

I can't believe it....after 1 1/2 years of trying 3 different prescriptions and every over the counter med....as a final solution I searched the web and found this site and many others like it talking about ACV.....gave it a try.

Honestly in half a glass I felt relief! I stopped all the reflux medicine and now have 8 oz of water with 3 tsp. of apple cider vinegar and little honey about 1/2 hour before meals and at bedtime (and anytime I feel the need).

I also removed problem foods from my diet till things level out....then I introduce them to see how I tolerate them....coffee is definitely a problem for me and I have to be careful with High fibber foods like cereal, breads etc. .. also small portions several times a day works better for me.

All small prices to pay for wonderful relief!

It sounded crazy to me....Apple cider vinegar.....but thank you all for sharing because it has made all the difference in my life!


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Name: Nathan
Location: North Carolina, United States
Date: June 13, 2010

I want to thank God as well for this cure. I have been through "medical hell" for quite awhile now.

What's more problematic for me is that I was only 25 and becoming addicted and dependent on nexium, which only fixes the symptoms and not the problems. I have seen a GE before and I have been using Zantac, prilosec, and nexium plus tums and baking soda, but this actually fixes the issue.

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ for showing me this awesome cure.


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Name: Alice
Location: Nord, France
Date: June 10, 2010

I am starting the third trimester of my third pregnancy with acid reflux after each meal.

Two weeks ago I started to drink "tisanes" of apple cider vinegar (warm water, apple cider vinegar, honey) before each meal or just after: no more acid reflux.

I believe, that this would be just as effective for the nausea that starts in the first trimester, but that will be for someone else to try out.


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Name: Virginia Hesse
Location: Rhode Island, United States
Date: June 08, 2010

I was diagnosed with GERD/Acid Reflux when I was in my late twenties.

I started on Prilosec and then moved on to Nexium. I have been taking one or the other for 20 years and my symptoms were never completely relieved - pain; burning; difficulty swallowing, and inability to eat for a day at a time when symptoms were bad.

But I convinced myself that it would have been worse if I stopped taking the pills. Even with the pills, I would have a bad episode every week or two. Recently I learned of the side effects of Nexium on people over 50 who have been taking the drug for longer than a year. That's me. I am terrified!

I had read about the ACV remedy some months ago, and bought it but hadn't had the courage to give up the pills. After the recent medical news about the danger of Nexium, I quit cold-turkey two weeks ago.

Instead I take one tsp of ACV in about 6 oz. of water, with a little honey - at bed time. I have been symptom free since I have been taking it everyday - after 20 years of suffering!

I had long ago changed my diet to eliminate the worst offenders, which for me was anything deep-fried. But I have not and will never give up chocolate, and the ACV still works.

Try it, and good luck! I am one happy convert. :)


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Name: Kathy
Location: Baltimore, Maryland, United States
Date: June 05, 2010

I was skeptical when I read all the testimonials on this sight, but I thought I'd give the ACV a try.

I've been struggling with acid reflux for over two years, taking Prilosec and Nexium. These both seemed to work, but then I read about the possibility of bone loss when taking these drugs, and I decided to stop.

I just started two days ago, taking 1 TBLSP. of ACV in 1/2 glass of water before breakfast and dinner.

I cannot believe the results. I'm so much better!

Thanks for this awesome website - it's changed my life!


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Name: David Lenz
Location: Utah, United States
Date: June 03, 2010

I used ACV to kill a wart on my toe that I had been battling for years and became a believer.

Last week I had heartburn that just would not go away. I took a double dose of Zantac and sipped on Maalox while I waited. The Maalox provided short term (5 minutes) of comfort but when I realized I had already doubled the recommended daily dose, I googled.

Sure enough, this ACV website came up and with my wart experience, I trusted it.

I just drank a swig straight from the bottle and I was cured within a minute! It didn't resurface at all that night.


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Name: Linda
Location: Washington, United States
Date: May 26, 2010

I had been diagnosed with having a sensitive esophageal valve, also it was said during the upper g.i. that the valve in the lower part of the stomach appeared to open very slowly.

I have had this problem off and on for 30 yrs. The pain and bloating is now unbearable...

I will try anything to make it better... I have tried all the major antacids and H2 blockers and now am concerned especially with the later causing calcium loss in my bones.

My pharmacy recommended this -- said his wife had used it and it worked well.

Wish any who try it the best of luck.


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Name: Judith Duft
Location: Massachusetts, United States
Date: May 26, 2010

With the recent research regarding Omeprazole, I started taking ACV and it seems to be working.

Also, when I get a really bad attack of acid reflux, the kind that tightens your chest...bitters in a glass of plain seltzer is a miracle cure!


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Name: Pat
Location: Florida, United States
Date: May 24, 2010

I read the comments and decided to try it.

It has definitely helped my reflux problem.


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Name:Harold
Location: New York, United States
Date: May 22, 2010

About 2 months ago I found out I had acid reflux and my doctor put me on prevacid solu-tabs (I have trouble swallowing pills even really small ones), but they didn't really work that well.

I couldn't even drink a really small cup of coffee!!! I love coffee!!! and if I even had a really little bit I would fell like I was going to through up the next morning.

My grandfather told me to try the apple cider vinegar, so I tried it and I have been taking it four about 2 weeks and I can drink all the double strength black coffee I want!!!!!!! no side affects!

Apple cider vinegar is the best!!!

I was taking 30 mg of the ppi crap every day and it did crap. Now I take one or two table spoons of apple cider vinegar every day and it is amazing!!! I love coffee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate acid reflux...

Apple cider vinegar rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Name: Anonymous
Location: Hawaii, United States
Date: May 13, 2010

I've had GERD for the past two years.

I'm on protonix twice a day and it is getting less and less effective so I started surfing the Internet for natural remedies.

I started taking acv two days ago with good relief! I also stopped the protonix at the same time.

I'm still skeptical but will give it a week.


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Name: Meryem
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Date: May 08, 2010

Hi every body.

I was diagnosed with acid reflux 2 years ago and my doctor gave me nexium, I took it for about 10 days and stopped it. It does not work plus the bad side effects.

Now I am taking the apple cider vinegar and that's amazing.

Plus I was taking the pau d"arco. That's helped a lot, and no no more medicines, thanks God.

But I have now the same problem with my 5 years old son and he is taking zantac but it does not seem to be working and he does not like to take apple cider vinegar. I wish I could find a solution for him.


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Name: Jon
Location: North Dakota, United States
Date: April 30, 2010

ACV, amazing stuff!!

I destroyed my health taking nexium for over 8 years. Finally had to stop the nexium because it started making my ears ring. Undocumented side affect??

Started ACV and it works great, no more ringing in the ears and I feel 100 times better.. wish I would have tried it years ago..


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Name: Christian
Location: Queensland, Australia
Date: April 26, 2010

2 weeks and counting, clear of PPI Medications. Drugs are not the Solution, if anything they exacerbate the problem.

I too am sceptical of home or natural remedies, but after one and a half years of dependency on Nexium, the most powerful PPI available in Australia, the drug only destroyed my health. Worst of all, the drug is addictive - any attempts to stop taking it and the reflux returns tens times worse.

The drug suppresses your stomachs ability to produce acid. But you still need some acid to digest your food right. So you stomach continues to attempt to produce acid around the clock until the food is passed. Your stomach becomes untrained.

Retrain your stomach using the ACV. You will digest your food more efficiently. Other health side effects to do with the drugs will pass.

I take a teaspoon just before shoving food in my mouth.


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Name: Deyadira
Location: Texas, United States
Date: April 24, 2010

Im 25 and have always had acid reflux.

I had tried everything. The reflux got so bad I would throw up 2-3 times a day. Tums would make it better for about 5 mins then I would throw up the tums and dry heave, it was so painful.

A few years ago I developed a weird habit, I craved apples dipped in apple cider vinegar, usually when my symptoms were bad. I thought nothing of it till my husband mentioned it was weird about a year ago. Then I realized it was only when the reflux was bad and that after I felt better.

I decided to google uses for acv and found your site.

Funny how my body was telling me what I needed all along. Been doing the teaspoon in a glass of water when the symptoms appear for about 2 weeks. No throwing up, no heartburn waking me up at night.

Thank you for posting this. Natural remedies ftw! :)


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Name: Marilyn
Location: Georgia, United States
Date: April 23, 2010

My kinesiologist suggested that I wasn't getting enough acid in my stomach (since I've been on prilosec for several years), and suggested that I take acv with honey and water 3 times a day.

I've only been doing this for one day, but I do feel better than when I take the prilosec (which I think causes me to be dizzy sometimes).


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Name: Tammy
Location: Ohio, United States
Date: April 21, 2010

Last January I was diagnosed with acid reflux, gastritis, and a hiatal hernia.

I really didn't suffer any pain in my esophagus until a year later. A few months ago I started experiencing soreness in my chest and burning and rawness in my esophagus. I have been struggling with this on a daily basis, and it has been very painful and disruptive to my daily life. I have been on these ppi's like omeprazole twice a day, and then pantaprazole twice a day along with ranitidine twice a day with absolutely no results.

The doctor's office acted like I was crazy when I told them that the medicine did not help me. But through research on the internet I am discovering that a lot of people who suffer with acid reflux and the more severe form called Gerd, also report their medications not helping too. I thought I was alone until I started reading testimonials from others.

Well anyway, one day I was talking with one of my friends, and she told me to try ACV. I also went to a health pharmacy and asked them what I could do to spare my esophagus. The pharmacist said to take DGL, slippery elm, and aloe vera juice.

I had tried ACV like my friend had suggested also. I was amazed that when I would have the burning that it would sometimes take it instantly away. But there was a day when I was working that I took some, and I started burning worse. I got discouraged and stopped. But then after a couple of weeks decided to give it another try, but this time on a REGULAR BASIS.

I did read that if you are currently treating the disease of Gerd that you need to take a stronger dosage. You have to find the amount that is best for you that gives you results. Well, I have been taking it regularly for almost a week. Just to let everyone know. I have had days where I almost feel like my old self again. The burning in my esophagus is not as constant. I feel a lot better, and am going to continue taking ACV. It helps better than my medications.

I am still taking those also but would not be without my ACV now. Everyone's individual cases are different, and it is always good to get a check up from your doctor also to make sure what is really going on inside of you, but if you know you do most definitely have acid reflux, do give ACV a try.

I told my doctor about everything I was doing and he had no problem with it. If you take DGL, aloe vera juice, or some of the other homeopathic remedies make sure you do check with your pharmacist to make sure there is no interaction with any other meds. But ACV is very beneficial, and is what I believe has been helping me.

I thank God for sending me to all these websites for information, and to see all of the testimonies. Some people take the organic ACV, but the regular works too, and is cheaper to buy in a gallon jug. It will last you a long time. But keep consistent even if you don't have results at first. It is worth trying, instead of suffering.


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Name: Joyce Williams
Location: South Carolina, United States
Date: April 16, 2010

I tried everything over the counter from Zantac, to Prilosec, which gave me temporary relief but the best remedy and relief for me was 1 tablespoon full of White Vinegar.

This is inexpensive, take once in morning and once at night, no more Gerd!

My esophagus is now open again. Thank you Lord!


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Name: Katy
Location: British Colombia, Canada
Date: April 06, 2010

I'm in my 3rd trimester of pregnancy and have been getting terrible acid reflux for the past few weeks.

I was given some antacids from a friend but I heart that these remedies can actually make acid reflux worse because they tell the stomach to produce even more acid.

So, I went online looking for natural remedies and stumbled upon this site... I tried the ACV this evening and the heart burn/acid reflux disappeared after about 2 minutes. Incredible!

I took about two tablespoons straight up and it was pretty intense going down but it sure did the job!

I'll be using this remedy from now on.


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Name: Mark
Location: British Colombia, Canada
Date: March 23, 2010

I'm 35 and had been suffering from heartburn for a few years and had been on Zantac, Prevacid and finally Nexium for about a year.

The Nexium stopped working and I was back to the doctors office for more pills and tests.

I discovered this site, read the testimonials and gave ACV a try. I was a little skeptical at first, but it really works.

I have some first thing in the morning and a tbs last thing at night. The taste is not great, but I am off the pills and no more heartburn.

It actually even helps me sleep better!


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Name: Victor Sardone
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Date: March 20, 2010

I have had heartburn for 20 years and took all the prescription pills, nexiun, protonics, etc.

I read in a home remedies book about ACV and I haven't taken a pill in 2 years for heartburn.

I drink some with water after dinner or when I start having heartburn symptoms and it instantly goes away.

No more pills for me!!!


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Name: Linda Bates
Location: Wisconsin, United States
Date: March 11, 2010

I have suffered from acid reflux for about ten years.

I started taking OTC acid reducers and then progressed to the prescription drug aciphex. I have also used Protonix, Prevacid, and Nexuim.

My GI-doc said I have a hiatal hernia from the burning in the stomach lining.

I found this site and read the testimonials. I started using ACV as suggested daily. I have not experienced any break through symptoms in three days.

I love this natural remedy. I hated taking the pills and prayed for GOD to help me. I was guided website and to this cure.

Thank you so much for your honesty and sharing this wonderful cure.
Linda Bates


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Name: Carlos Diaz
Location: Florida, United States
Date: March 07, 2010

I'm another one cured by the ACV.

I have suffered from Acid Reflux all of my life. I even had the Nissen surgery done which did not work for me. I took about every PPI pill in the market, including Nexium. I used the PPI for many years. The PPI helped at first, then they stopped working so I had to change brand names for them to work again.

I discovered this site surfing the net one day. I can't not believe that I wasted all that money on PPI pills and even put my life at risk on a major surgery. This is the cure for acid reflux. I can finally go out with my girlfriend and have a couple of beers without having to suffer for the following three days. I can't believe the doctors don't tell you about this remedy!

It took three weeks for the reflux to go away. I'm currently taking 8 ounces of water with 2 to 3 table spoons of ACV twice a day. One in the morning and the other before bed time.

I'm very happy. I feel like I'm normal again. I'm 42.


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Name: Karim Hamida
Location: Nabeul, Tunisia
Date: March 06, 2010

I've just tried apple cider vinegar and I realize that it works against acid reflux!

I hope that it continues to go well.

At the moment the results are fine.


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Name: Bo
Location: Ohio, United States
Date: March 02, 2010

I have experienced acid reflux for the last 7 years and 3 years ago had an endoscopy which showed damage.

The doctor put me on Nexium, which I have been taking for 3 years. Even with Nexium, I have to watch what I eat and drink and I have been sleeping on a slant pillow.

I wanted to get off the medication and found this website and tried Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) as well as fresh apples and it REALLY works! The relief is instant.

Now, I need to get on a schedule of taking ACV so I can prevent the burn before it starts. I wish I could let everyone know that is suffering!


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Name: Hank
Location: Kentucky, USA
Date: February 25, 2010

I've had acid reflux for two years now, but Apple Cider vinegar has saved my life after all other medicines failed (Prilosec, Tums, Protonix).

I drink some cold everyday as a beverage.


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Name: Marion
Location: Illinois, United States
Date: February 19, 2010

A month ago I went to the ER with horrible heartburn and chest pains.

was told I had GERD and was given a prescription for Prilosec. And of course, I was given the long list of foods I could no longer have which left me practically depressed. But considering I would much rather not be in pain, I cut out the foods on the list and took the meds faithfully for the first 11 days. And, I no longer had any reflux problems.

But I started having all kinds of other problems. Migraine headaches, lightheadedness, diarrhea, and everything I ate just didn't seem to do anything but sit in my stomach. After a lot of reading on the internet, I figured out that most of these problems were side effects of the Prilosec and that really the medicine wasn't doing anything but masking the problem. So, bye bye Prilosec, I threw the rest away. I never really liked being dependent on medication anyway.

In the midst of all the research, I found this site and read every single comment. My family used to use ACV to assist in weight loss when I was younger so I knew about some of the benefits of ACV, but I never knew it was good for acid reflux. I decided to try it and see what happened.

It's been 4 days since I started drinking 3 tsps of ACV with water before meals and before bed. I've also been taking papaya enzymes to help with my digestion. Today is the best I've felt in a month. No heartburn, no constant burping. All the side effects from taking the Prilosec are slowly going away. The only thing that's been hanging on is the migraine, but tonight is the fist night in a week I haven't had one.

All I can say is I'm so happy I found this site. I hope this continues to work for me. Anyway, I know I am never touching PPI's again. Hopefully as time goes on I'll be able to start reintroducing some of the foods I gave up back into my diet.


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Name: Aicha Ba
Location: California, United States
Date: February 11, 2010

Approximately 2 years ago, I was pregnant and in my 2nd trimester I developed a tickle in my throat which later gave way to a chronic cough.

Postpartum I went to several doctors (general/allergist/ent). The general doc said that I had post nasal drip and prescribed some meds which I didn't take because I was breastfeeding and opted to nasal rinse instead.

My chronic cough endured to my absolute misery. The allergist gave me an allergy test and we discovered I have a severe allergy to dust mites and mold and a mild allergy to cats (I have 1). She prescribed some medication which I used for a week with no change.

Finally after experiencing chest pains, throat burn along with my chronic cough I see An ENT who checks me out and is like "you want to guess what you have" well it turns out that I have "silent LPR", he said that I would basically have it the rest of my life and to take zantac and keep in touch. That was May 2009.

It's Feb 2010, zantac gave me headaches, so last week I decided to try acv.

I've known about it and have tried it for several other ailments and it's always worked. I'm one week in and my cough is basically gone. Will it come back? I hope not but right now I'm a happy little camper.


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Name: Sherry
Location: Pennsylvania, United States
Date: February 03, 2010

I've had acid reflux since I was born and as an adult it became increasingly worse to the point I have been on a prescribed medication that I take twice daily for the past ten years.

If I go a day or two without my medicine I get heartburn so bad I can't stand it. It's very uncomfortable and once I get it, nothing seems to relieve it right away.

I found out about ACV and it's cures of heartburn and acid reflux and started taking two tablespoons twice a day for nearly two weeks now.

I take one in the morning and one at night. I can thankfully say I have not had heartburn in over a week 1/2 and I have not taken my daily med now for about the same time.

ACV truly works for acid reflux!!!


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Name: David B
Location: New Jersey, United States
Date: February 01, 2010

Hi -
For the past 2 years I have been suffering from acid reflux...experienced bloating, belching, difficulty breathing (caused by bloat and acid and a constantly blocked right nostril). Yes, acid does interfere with nasal passages.

I found ACV on the earth clinic site about 6 months back, and swear it helps me every time I drink it. It gives me IMMEDIATE relief. My breathing gets better and my nose becomes clear.

I drink the Bragg brand with the mother. Just add water and shake my head 10 times because, the taste is nasty. But taking my medicine is worth it, as I feel refreshed and renewed.

Please tell others about this miracle cure in a bottle.

David




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Name: D Eastman
Location: Michigan , United States
Date: January 22, 2010

I have been on Acid Reflux pills for easily 10 years.

I started with Tums, Then a over the counter heartburn pill ( lil' pink one ), Then prescription, Protonix, Prevacid, Prilosec. Then acid started coming up my esophagus in the night into my lungs. Prescription stuff just quit working.

To the health food store I went. I am drinking a 2oz. shot of Braggs ACV with a tablespoon of pure lemon juice in the A.M. Seems to be working.

When I get a attack I do up a round! Before I eat I take a enzymes vitamin to help digestion.

Good luck.


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Name: Jessica
Location: Georgia, USA
Date: January 21, 2010

I am only 21 and I have had a terrible time for the past year with acid reflux and the medicines don't work.

Doctors pretty much told me there was nothing they could do--but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that I have no insurance, but anyway I tried this vinegar thing....GREAT!!

I just used it the first time last night and that is the most I have slept in probably a year!! From just one use!!!!

THANK YOU FOR ALL THE POSTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MADE ME TRY IT AND I'M SO GLAD!


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Name: Elier
Location: Kentucky, United States
Date: January 21, 2010

I've been having GERD symptoms for more than 5 years and lifestyle changes would not solve it.

Reflux woke me up many times at night and my esophagus felt tender for days afterwards. I went to a gastroenterologist and got an endoscopy, which revealed that my esophagus was irritated. The doctor prescribed Prilosec and told me I'd have to take it for life.

After two years on Prilosec I started having numbing on my hands at night, strong enough to wake me up in the middle of the night. I researched these symptoms and came to find out there are thousands of sufferers from long term Prilosec out there, many with very serious side effects.

I looked for alternative treatments for GERD and found out about vinegar after meals: IT WORKS GREAT. I've been without Prilosec for 6 months and haven't had a reflux episode since.


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Name: James
Location: Delaware , United States
Date: January 14, 2010

I have acid reflux and asthma.

My acid reflux had gotten so bad that I would prevent me from breathing. I had bad experiences with medicines for acid reflux, so I began looking for a natural remedy.

I stumbled across BRAGG's Apple Cider Vinegar, and I found this site. I was encouraged to try it based off of all of the positive reviews given on this site.

I bought the ACV, put two table spoons in about 8oz of water and drank it. Literally, within 5 minutes, I was able to breath!!! My pain has been eliminated, and I don't have to take any medication for my Acid Reflux as of now!

This is truly a blessing from the Lord, and something to be told! I encourage ANYONE who is suffering from Acid Reflux or GERD to go out, buy a bottle of BRAGG's Apple Cider Vinegar, put 2-3 tbsp. in 8oz of water, and drink! I can't guarantee anything, but I can say that it definantely worked for me.

Praise the Lord!!!


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Name: James M
Location: Nebraska, United States
Date: January 06, 2010

I have been diagnosing myself for the last several months and have run the gamut of possibilities as to the reasons of this newly assumed chronic cough. Allergies, bronchitis, and the unimaginable, a tumor to explain this chronic condition. After ruling everything out aforementioned either by deduction based upon what were truly my symptoms and then finally seeking the consultation of a PA, who is a lifelong friend, the symptoms pointed to the possibility of acid reflux.

Looking back on what had transpired a few months ago, that is, the lifestyle of massive amounts of coffee and eating once daily, yet virtually consuming the amount of calories in that one meal that would have better served me divided by three at least, it made sense that acid reflux was a definite posibilty. Especially after I did a semi exhaustive study on what the condition entails.

I then set out to take back my health with which G-d had blessed me.

I googled natural remedies for acid reflux and low and behold the treatment which can now be considered viable, was a few hundred feet away at the market. This information came to me in the late evening and of course I couldn't wait til the rising of the sun to make haste to the market.

The following day after purchasing the raw, organic type, I took a tablespoon of ACV with about 8-9 ounces of water, three times. The second day was virtually the same dosage. That second day was interesting. The reason is that in between the second and third dosages I began to feel this transformation of my body. At the time I didn't know for the better or for the worse. I just could feel something changing inside of me.

So here it is the sixth of January and so far today I have enjoyed a cup of coffee, then for dinner my children and I made a homemade pizza. The toppings on the pizza were jalapeno peppers, bell peppers, onions, garlic pizza sauce, broccoli, and mozzarella cheese of course. I will say that despite the wonderful combination of ingredients I did not gorge myself but rather filled myself to roughly 2/3 per the wisdom of the great Jewish sage Maimonides from his work compiled over a thousand years ago.

It is now almost four hours later and I think I have coughed only once, which I believe is due to the extreme cold, dry air that has pervaded the plain states. Other than that the chronic cough seems to have been alleviated due to this wonderful knowledge that was brought to my attention.

What remains to be seen is if I will need to continue this regiment or not. Or some modification of it. Regardless I am grateful that my health is being restored and will update this note at some point with amended details if they exist.

Praise to the G-d of all Israel.

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Postby bushwakka » September 24th, 2010, 12:00 pm

Give oil,pepper,acidic drinks/foods(tomatoes,patchoi,etc),Coca Cola,curry(basically real spicy stuff) A REST!
Try this for about 2-2 1/2 months


this here is very true....anytime i consume these things, it acts up bad

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Postby JoKeR1980 » September 24th, 2010, 12:10 pm

used suffer with chronic heartburn, then started to use glutamine tabs and it works well and helps with bloating as well...check it out

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Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 12:32 pm

i tried the apple cider vinegar this morning and just now before i ate lunch and i am noticing a difference, i will try it some more to see if the situation gets better. I am using the heinz apple cider vinegar but it diluted to 5% acidity, i need to get the pure stuff i think they call it the mother of vinegar, didnt get any in hi lo if anybody knows where selling this give me a shout thanks!!!

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Postby Yeo » September 24th, 2010, 1:08 pm

Ok, I just bought Bragg Apple Cider vinegar with the Mother in it... it smells really strong, I put a teaspoon in a cup of water... will update on Monday.

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Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 1:10 pm

Yeo wrote:Ok, I just bought Bragg Apple Cider vinegar with the Mother in it... it smells really strong, I put a teaspoon in a cup of water... will update on Monday.



i need to find somewhere that sells this locally, goodluck !!

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Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 1:20 pm

Soundwave wrote:
Damien wrote:
Yeo wrote:Ok, I just bought Bragg Apple Cider vinegar with the Mother in it... it smells really strong, I put a teaspoon in a cup of water... will update on Monday.



i need to find somewhere that sells this locally, goodluck !!

I think valini's in sando have, can't remember if superpharm has, but Damien, seriously, this is life's way of telling you that you shouldn't own a hannah montana umbrella...



:lol: :lol: :lol: i go check them

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Postby pinks » September 24th, 2010, 1:26 pm

ok so here's the plan..your line of treatment requires two tings..taking a medicine regiment for one week together with sum lifestyle changes.
with respect to medicine...
you taking one MOTILIUM 10mg tablet THREE times daily..half hour before each meal..breakfast lunch an dinner..you doing this for ONE WEEK..21 tablets shud cost abt $60..the motilium helps empty the stomach faster so that the amount of fluids,including acid,is reduced.
for this same week you taking ONE NEXIUM 40mg one hour BEFORE LUNCH or BREAKFAST..7 tablets shud b around $100...the nexium is a proton pump inhibitor so it helps to lower(not stop) the production of acid.

this combination is safe,cost effective an would work wonders for you but you have to stick to it an not miss taking the tablets..

with respect to lifestyle changes..
1)stop or slow down drinking alcohol..if you have to drink make sure you eat properly before an try not to overdo it.
2)avoid spicy foods,acidic food/fruits..try to get sum bananas in yuh diet.
3)make sure to have three meals a day..dis is a major factor as many of us dont eat properly an it leads to a build up of acid in the stomach.
4)if it affects you at nighttime i suggest you elevate the head of your bed (so that your eosphagus is higher than your stomach.)

so..before you go off sucking a bad box thinking it mite help..try wat i told yuh and you'd be amazed to see wat d results is...an if yuh wondering..im a pharmacist

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Postby phreakazoid » September 24th, 2010, 1:26 pm

I heard apple cider vinegar thins your blood so use in moderation. Dahee is the best way to restore a natural balance of "good bacteria" in your stomach. Once there is a good balance, there should be no heartburn.
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Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 1:29 pm

thanks for the advice guys !!!

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Postby toyolink » September 24th, 2010, 2:33 pm

I have been living with acid reflux for many ,many,many years and I now am in management mode.The condition as I can remember started in my younger days when working in the bank till all hours and partying as if their was no tomorrow and it continued to be fuelled by professional development which caused me to assume positions which came with all kinds ot stress and lousy eating and sleeping habits.Today, its about management being mindful that the best foods for me and other fine experiences are in direct conflict with the condition.I am of the firm belief that acid reflux is now an embedded life style condition in societies such as ours and requires the individual to exercise moderation and discipline.I still love a good curry duck,barbque and all our local dishes but after engaging I know to use DICA and from time to time PRILOSEC 14 day program.This conition can sometimes mimic a heart attack and has in fact caused people including myself to rush to hospital.I wish the young invincibles to recognise that extreme fun comes with some real risk and therefore you need to do the best you can to avoid or reduce exposure to risk.Actually the joys of life only truly manifest themselves later on.Once you are aware of your condition dont panic,just implement a program which includes medication and some life style adjustments and in most instances you already know what changes you have to make.I am at present trying to deal with my last monster which is smoking!

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Postby shogun » September 24th, 2010, 3:34 pm

Soundwave wrote:
Damien wrote:
Yeo wrote:Ok, I just bought Bragg Apple Cider vinegar with the Mother in it... it smells really strong, I put a teaspoon in a cup of water... will update on Monday.



i need to find somewhere that sells this locally, goodluck !!

I think valini's in sando have, can't remember if superpharm has, but Damien, seriously, this is life's way of telling you that you shouldn't own a hannah montana umbrella...


:lol: :lol: Soundwave remember that sh!t oui!

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Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 4:31 pm

Touyolink try the apple cider vinegar and see if it works it doesn't cost much and there aren't much side effects, I too trying to quit smoking again. Just this week I thought I was having a heart attack pain in the chest and left hand completely numb, I went and did a heart test and some blood tests and the doc diagnosed me with asthma and bronchitis , heart test came back ok but I am still waiting on the blood test results

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Postby shogun » September 24th, 2010, 4:58 pm

How much do smoke dude?....trying to quit myself. Down to 3/4 a day, but i'm there for about the last yr and a half, can't seem to kick the habit completely....keep trying though bro.

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Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 6:23 pm

Bout 12 cigs a day if I am working when I am home I don't smoke as much, that is worst habit I ever pick up in life

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Postby SUPAstarr » September 24th, 2010, 8:20 pm

for the past 6 yrs i've been battling gerd, i really need to get that endoscopy done cuz mine is not constant but rather in terrible waves (every 2 weeks or so) of sleepless nights or in the middle of the day almost puking unless i find some peanut punch or yogurt to save me. Divol has a special place on my night stand. Funny enough sometimes i eat doubles with lots of pepper an nuttin, but the slightest taste of black pepper triggers an attack

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Postby Damien » September 24th, 2010, 8:34 pm

Give the apple cider vinegar a try won't hurt, I am using right now and there is a difference. I need to take it a couple more days to figure out if its really working though

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Postby 2sweet » September 24th, 2010, 10:57 pm

I have been using the apple cider vinegar for about two years now for reflux and occasional peptic ulcer relief and it works. Once I feel burning or discomfort, I use it and the discomfort ceases very soon after. I do 1 tsp ACV, 2 tsps dark honey and 6oz. of warm bottled/filtered water. Continue drinking it and it should help, I hope it works for you.

Also you must use raw and unfiltered ACV, do not use Heinz or Carbonell or any that is meant for cooking, it will be pointless in the long run. You must use Bragg for proper and maximum effect. I get it at Superpharm West Moorings. Sometimes they may not have in stock but keep trying. You should be able to get it at Peppercorns as well.

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Postby cinco » September 24th, 2010, 11:39 pm

do you chew gum?
that was one of the worst irritants for my ulcers when they flared up
if i chew gum now once every 3 months thats plenty

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Postby Damien » September 25th, 2010, 9:12 am

cinco wrote:do you chew gum?
that was one of the worst irritants for my ulcers when they flared up
if i chew gum now once every 3 months thats plenty



yeah i chew gum a bit they say its good for acid reflux because saliva goes down in the stomach and dilutes the acid. i tried it and then didnt try it, the only thing i aint do yet is go by ah obeah man

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Postby toyolink » September 25th, 2010, 9:25 am

One of the common items here is smoking.When I travel and have to do without cigarettes for sometimes 5 hours my system is fantastic.When I used to drink and smoke all hell used to break loose,now no liquid spirits do I ingest (16 yrs.).I feel confident that if I can get rid of the blasted smoking life would get better.

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Postby bushwakka » September 25th, 2010, 11:03 am

epic post there damien

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Postby cinco » September 25th, 2010, 1:51 pm

Damien wrote:
cinco wrote:do you chew gum?
that was one of the worst irritants for my ulcers when they flared up
if i chew gum now once every 3 months thats plenty



yeah i chew gum a bit they say its good for acid reflux because saliva goes down in the stomach and dilutes the acid. i tried it and then didnt try it, the only thing i aint do yet is go by ah obeah man

hmm a doc told me the opposite
he said it flares more when i chew gum because my stomach thinks food is coming down so it starts producing acid to digest the food that it expects when all it gettin is spit and air...

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Postby GA16 » September 25th, 2010, 2:11 pm

Yes use the apple cider vinegar with (the mother) I used it some years ago and no problem since, but keep away from alcohol and anything with caffeine at least for a month, Just one tablespoon a day would do (on a good note it also helps you to loose some weight.
I recommended it also to my workers and some friends and all reported positive results. And mind you this is a naurural remedy and only costs about $45 in the grocery. And please keep away from caffeine for the month otherwise you would not really see results. As users above mentioned use the "Bragg" apple cider vinegar with the "mother" I usually purchase at JTA supermarket. Good luck

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Postby X_Factor » September 25th, 2010, 2:21 pm

u all remember something called "blocacid"
well i dont think they produce it any more or trinidad simply doesnt get it ne more
well the drug is called Famotidine which works similar to Ranitidine (zantac etc)
not much pharmacies sell the Famotidine but there is one at curepe junction on the highway side by KFC there...its about 1.25 for 1..a little pinkish tablet and it works wonders..i lived on nexium and omeprazole and it brought me little or no relief compared to the Famotidine...so if u in the area u can give it a try or ask any drug stores if they carry it
btw, pepcid is one of the brands Famotidine is sold under but its expensive

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Postby Damien » September 25th, 2010, 3:45 pm

GA16 wrote:Yes use the apple cider vinegar with (the mother) I used it some years ago and no problem since, but keep away from alcohol and anything with caffeine at least for a month, Just one tablespoon a day would do (on a good note it also helps you to loose some weight.
I recommended it also to my workers and some friends and all reported positive results. And mind you this is a naurural remedy and only costs about $45 in the grocery. And please keep away from caffeine for the month otherwise you would not really see results. As users above mentioned use the "Bragg" apple cider vinegar with the "mother" I usually purchase at JTA supermarket. Good luck


Thanks ah million

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Postby Damien » September 25th, 2010, 4:04 pm

Cinco try the apple cider vinegar and see it it helps, sometimes the body could be producing to little acid to digest the food.

Xfactor those tablets don't work after a while and sooner or later you become dependent on it, I've tried every antacid you could think about and the problem keeps coming back even worst than before

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