IS HELL REAL???

[mitsuboi]

U said it good dey mamoo

Ppl does expect sudden changes....an does forget.....only wen d sheit hit d fan den dey is rememba but wait nah a few yrs ago I did do some sheit like it now com back to bite mih in my a$$

Or wen dey do good dey expect good tings to follow immediately

[Chimera]

While I do subscribe to the laws of Karma, is it always so?

I mean think of the bigtime drug dealers..running the country.... untouchable..best cars..best houses...anything they want..living it up.....if they ever get arrested...one phone call and they get released...
Those who got out of the drug business opened fancy restaurants and legitimate businesses...

but those who continue...the only way they going out is when a bullet hit them..and then its instant death....so.... why not live it up now ? just because of fear of the unknown?(life after death)

in your next life, are you really going to realize a morning "wait na..my present life shitty because of things i did in a past life....damn let me live this life as a good person and hope for the best in my next life" that doh rly make sense.


also, if you are a good person, and say some bad happen to you tomorrow..your house burn down...your get into a bad crash...yuh wife horn yuh...are you really going to say "well daz because I did bounce down that dog xx years ago, daz because i did cuss up my neighbour last week,"


then you can just justify everything that happens to you, good or bad.

[sr20 sleeper]

I'm scaredddd....... sombody hold me!!

[trini mk5]

Not with that fcuking face

[sr20 sleeper]

Not with that fcuking face

..........

[eurogirl]

hell is eating leftovers 4 days in a row

[mamoo_pagal]

hell is eating leftovers 4 days in a row

so how about those who aint eat for 4 days?

[X2]

but you say jesus(pbuh) is the only man to be without sin and thats it he was a mere man. he was no son of God by saying that is a blaspheme. God has no partners and no allegiance am i correct. to correct you the only man to walk sinless was prophet muhammad(saw). God in His inifinite mercy can cast away your sin as He is oft Forgiven Most Merciful. what do you accept Jesus(pbuh ) as? a messenger who was of no father but of a miracle of God's Omnipotent power, or as the son of God. which makes more sense, because be that the case adam an eve seems like the better candidate for that role seeing they both had neither parents. Jesus(pbuh) in his short term of prophethood never accepted himself as the Lord for when the took him to see Ponchus Pilot and was asked of these transgressions of saying he was son of God he said to them that they said it not me i am no part of it. you believe in turn the other cheek then why when he went into the temple and saw wat the priest were doing did he arm himself with sticks and chase them out, isnt that a violent way.

mi pal you no of half the truth to truly see the clear signs you need to look further than the bible for it was tainted by the same men who sought to kill jesus(pbup), for they killed him not but it was made to appear so as he was raised up to the heavens. why did they remove the 4 books of st barnabus? because his scriptures were interfering with that which they wanted to potrait. as a muslim we believe in the books before us but it doesnt appear in its original form.

ill give you a project,
prove that at any point in the bible that jesus(pbuh) said i am God worship me without parables for if he is God it should be clearly stated as Allah stated in the Quran the best of books amongst us.

You wouldn't happen to be reading these perfect books in thier original language would you ?

Cuz if not, all the info is likely tainted and yuh probably going to hell in a man made hand-basket.

[TRAE]

i think this is hell and anything after this is heaven

[X2]

TRAE... r u mad.... it doh have NSX, 458, Mila Kunis and Supras in hell....

[rossi]

ever observe the dude with the hott chic riding in his 7 figure vehicle who is a complete asrehole but gets everything he wants?
Ever know somebody who does wrong but they always lucky with money?

what's up with that?

[X2]

ever observe the dude with the hott chic riding in his 7 figure vehicle who is a complete asrehole but gets everything he wants?

Politician...

Ever know somebody who does wrong but they always lucky with money?

Bandit...

what's up with that?

Same difference...

[turbohead]

but you say jesus(pbuh) is the only man to be without sin and thats it he was a mere man. he was no son of God by saying that is a blaspheme. God has no partners and no allegiance am i correct. to correct you the only man to walk sinless was prophet muhammad(saw). God in His inifinite mercy can cast away your sin as He is oft Forgiven Most Merciful. what do you accept Jesus(pbuh ) as? a messenger who was of no father but of a miracle of God's Omnipotent power, or as the son of God. which makes more sense, because be that the case adam an eve seems like the better candidate for that role seeing they both had neither parents. Jesus(pbuh) in his short term of prophethood never accepted himself as the Lord for when the took him to see Ponchus Pilot and was asked of these transgressions of saying he was son of God he said to them that they said it not me i am no part of it. you believe in turn the other cheek then why when he went into the temple and saw wat the priest were doing did he arm himself with sticks and chase them out, isnt that a violent way.

mi pal you no of half the truth to truly see the clear signs you need to look further than the bible for it was tainted by the same men who sought to kill jesus(pbup), for they killed him not but it was made to appear so as he was raised up to the heavens. why did they remove the 4 books of st barnabus? because his scriptures were interfering with that which they wanted to potrait. as a muslim we believe in the books before us but it doesnt appear in its original form.

ill give you a project,
prove that at any point in the bible that jesus(pbuh) said i am God worship me without parables for if he is God it should be clearly stated as Allah stated in the Quran the best of books amongst us.

You wouldn't happen to be reading these perfect books in thier original language would you ?

Cuz if not, all the info is likely tainted and yuh probably going to hell in a man made hand-basket.

how else do you read the Quran? only in its arabic form is i true, even the translations to different languages are not substantial. the english language is weak and therefore cannot truly be used to translate the Quran. pick up any english version and you will read what the interpreter write in the intro. as for arabic version there is no means for this as it was clearly revealed to Muhammad(saw) through the angel Gabriel from God. and to keep firm belief in this alone is a start to seeing the truth.

[bonzo.specb]

hell is eating leftovers 4 days in a row

so how about those who aint eat for 4 days?

[sarcasm]Such things exists?

Oh Noes !!![/sarcasm]

[rossi]

The aliens are coming.

[Bizzare]

hell is eating leftovers 4 days in a row

Or simply, hell is a kitchen.......... without ah woman in it.

[MG Man]

but you say jesus(pbuh) is the only man to be without sin and thats it he was a mere man. he was no son of God by saying that is a blaspheme. God has no partners and no allegiance am i correct. to correct you the only man to walk sinless was prophet muhammad(saw). God in His inifinite mercy can cast away your sin as He is oft Forgiven Most Merciful. what do you accept Jesus(pbuh ) as? a messenger who was of no father but of a miracle of God's Omnipotent power, or as the son of God. which makes more sense, because be that the case adam an eve seems like the better candidate for that role seeing they both had neither parents. Jesus(pbuh) in his short term of prophethood never accepted himself as the Lord for when the took him to see Ponchus Pilot and was asked of these transgressions of saying he was son of God he said to them that they said it not me i am no part of it. you believe in turn the other cheek then why when he went into the temple and saw wat the priest were doing did he arm himself with sticks and chase them out, isnt that a violent way.

mi pal you no of half the truth to truly see the clear signs you need to look further than the bible for it was tainted by the same men who sought to kill jesus(pbup), for they killed him not but it was made to appear so as he was raised up to the heavens. why did they remove the 4 books of st barnabus? because his scriptures were interfering with that which they wanted to potrait. as a muslim we believe in the books before us but it doesnt appear in its original form.

ill give you a project,
prove that at any point in the bible that jesus(pbuh) said i am God worship me without parables for if he is God it should be clearly stated as Allah stated in the Quran the best of books amongst us.

You wouldn't happen to be reading these perfect books in thier original language would you ?

Cuz if not, all the info is likely tainted and yuh probably going to hell in a man made hand-basket.

how else do you read the Quran? only in its arabic form is i true, even the translations to different languages are not substantial. the english language is weak and therefore cannot truly be used to translate the Quran. pick up any english version and you will read what the interpreter write in the intro. as for arabic version there is no means for this as it was clearly revealed to Muhammad(saw) through the angel Gabriel from God. and to keep firm belief in this alone is a start to seeing the truth.

pics or it didn't happen

[bluefete]

This is sooooo ironic!!

Who's in hell? Pastor's book sparks eternal debate

By TOM BREEN, Associated Press Tom Breen, Associated Press – 1 hr 30 mins ago
24/3/2011

Rev. Chad Holtz poses for photo in Durham

In this photo taken March 17, 2011, Rev. Chad Holtz poses for a photo in Durham, N.C. Holtz was fired from his position as pastor from a church in Henderson, N.C. after posting on his Facebook page a defense of a forthcoming book by megachurch pastor Rob Bell, in which Bell challenges millions of Christians’ understanding of the afterlife.

DURHAM, N.C. – When Chad Holtz lost his old belief in hell, he also lost his job.

The pastor of a rural United Methodist church in North Carolina wrote a note on his Facebook page supporting a new book by Rob Bell, a prominent young evangelical pastor and critic of the traditional view of hell as a place of eternal torment for billions of damned souls.

Two days later, Holtz was told complaints from church members prompted his dismissal from Marrow's Chapel in Henderson.

"I think justice comes and judgment will happen, but I don't think that means an eternity of torment," Holtz said. "But I can understand why people in my church aren't ready to leave that behind. It's something I'm still grappling with myself."

The debate over Bell's new book "Love Wins" has quickly spread across the evangelical precincts of the Internet, in part because of an eye-catching promotional video posted on YouTube.

Bell, the pastor of the 10,000-member Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., lays out the premise of his book while the video cuts away to an artist's hand mixing oil paints and pastels and applying them to a blank canvas.

He describes going to a Christian art show where one of the pieces featured a quote by Mohandas Gandhi. Someone attached a note saying: "Reality check: He's in hell."

"Gandhi's in hell? He is? And someone knows this for sure?" Bell asks in the video.

In the book, Bell criticizes the belief that a select number of Christians will spend eternity in the bliss of heaven while everyone else is tormented forever in hell.

"This is misguided and toxic and ultimately subverts the contagious spread of Jesus' message of love, peace, forgiveness and joy that our world desperately needs to hear," he writes in the book.

For many traditional Christians, though, Bell's new book sounds a lot like the old theological position of universalism — a heresy for many churches, teaching that everyone, regardless of religious belief, will ultimately be saved by God. And that, they argue, dangerously misleads people about the reality of the Christian faith.

"I just felt like on every page he's trying to say 'It's OK,'" said Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler at a forum last week on Bell's book held at the Louisville institution. "And there's a sense in which we desperately want to say that. But the question becomes, on what basis can we say that?"

Bell argues that hell has assumed an outsize importance in Christian teaching, considering the word itself only appears in the New Testament about 12 times, by his count.

"For a 1st-century Jewish rabbi, where you go when you die wasn't the most pressing question," Bell told The Associated Press. "The question was how can you enter into the shalom and peace of God right now, this day."

Bell denies he's a universalist, and his exact beliefs on what happens to people after death are hard to pin down, but he argues that such speculation distracts people from an urgent point. In his telling, hell is something freely chosen that already exists on earth, in everything from war to abusive relationships.

The near-relish with which some Christians stress the torments of hell, Bell argues, keep many believers needlessly afraid of a loving God, and repel potential Christians who might otherwise be curious about the faith's teachings.

"The heart of the Christian story is that God is love," he said. "But when you hear the word 'Christian,' you don't necessarily think 'Oh, sure, those are the people who don't stop talking about God's love.' Some other things would come to mind."

About the only thing everyone agrees on is that this is not a new debate in Christianity. It stretches to antiquity, when Christianity was a persecuted sect in the Roman Empire, and the third century theologian Origen developed a theory that contemporary critics charged would mean that everyone, even the devil himself, would ultimately be saved. Church leaders eventually condemned ideas they attributed to Origen, but he has had a lasting influence across the Roman Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant traditions.

Those traditions often disagree, even internally, on what awaits souls after death. The Catholic Church, which has a formal process for identifying souls in heaven through canonization, pointedly refrains from saying that anyone is without a doubt in hell. Protestants reject the concept of purgatory, in which sins can be atoned for after death, but disagree on other questions. The lack of consensus is enabled partly by ambiguities in the Bible.

Evangelical opposition to Bell is exemplified in a succinct tweet from prominent evangelical pastor John Piper: "Farewell, Rob Bell."

Page Brooks, a professor at the New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary, thinks Bell errs in a conception of a loving God that leaves out the divine attributes of justice and holiness.

"It's love, but it's a just love," Brooks said. "God is love, but you have to understand you're a sinner and the only way to get around that is through Christ's sacrifice on the cross."

Making his new belief public is both liberating and a little frightening for Holtz, even though his doubts about traditional doctrines on damnation began long before he heard about Rob Bell's book.

A married Navy veteran with five children, Holtz spent years trying to reconcile his belief that Jesus Christ's death on the cross redeemed the entire world with the idea that millions of people — including millions who had never even heard of Jesus — were suffering forever in hell.

"We do these somersaults to justify the monster god we believe in," he said. "But confronting my own sinfulness, that's when things started to topple for me. Am I really going to be saved just because I believe something, when all these good people in the world aren't?"

Gray Southern, United Methodist district superintendent for the part of North Carolina that includes Henderson, declined to discuss Holtz's departure in detail, but said there was more to it than the online post about Rob Bell's book.

"That's between the church and him," Southern said.

Church members had also been unhappy with Internet posts about subjects like gay marriage and the mix of religion and patriotism, Holtz said, and the hell post was probably the last straw. Holtz and his family plan to move back to Tennessee, where he'll start a job and maybe plant a church.

"So long as we believe there's a dividing point in eternity, we're going to think in terms of us and them," he said. "But when you believe God has saved everyone, the point is, you're saved. Live like it."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110324/ap_ ... l_hell__no

[RBphoto]

but you say jesus(pbuh) is the only man to be without sin and thats it he was a mere man. he was no son of God by saying that is a blaspheme. God has no partners and no allegiance am i correct. to correct you the only man to walk sinless was prophet muhammad(saw). God in His inifinite mercy can cast away your sin as He is oft Forgiven Most Merciful. what do you accept Jesus(pbuh ) as? a messenger who was of no father but of a miracle of God's Omnipotent power, or as the son of God. which makes more sense, because be that the case adam an eve seems like the better candidate for that role seeing they both had neither parents. Jesus(pbuh) in his short term of prophethood never accepted himself as the Lord for when the took him to see Ponchus Pilot and was asked of these transgressions of saying he was son of God he said to them that they said it not me i am no part of it. you believe in turn the other cheek then why when he went into the temple and saw wat the priest were doing did he arm himself with sticks and chase them out, isnt that a violent way.

mi pal you no of half the truth to truly see the clear signs you need to look further than the bible for it was tainted by the same men who sought to kill jesus(pbup), for they killed him not but it was made to appear so as he was raised up to the heavens. why did they remove the 4 books of st barnabus? because his scriptures were interfering with that which they wanted to potrait. as a muslim we believe in the books before us but it doesnt appear in its original form.

ill give you a project,
prove that at any point in the bible that jesus(pbuh) said i am God worship me without parables for if he is God it should be clearly stated as Allah stated in the Quran the best of books amongst us.

You wouldn't happen to be reading these perfect books in thier original language would you ?

Cuz if not, all the info is likely tainted and yuh probably going to hell in a man made hand-basket.

how else do you read the Quran? only in its arabic form is i true, even the translations to different languages are not substantial. the english language is weak and therefore cannot truly be used to translate the Quran. pick up any english version and you will read what the interpreter write in the intro. as for arabic version there is no means for this as it was clearly revealed to Muhammad(saw) through the angel Gabriel from God. and to keep firm belief in this alone is a start to seeing the truth.

pics or it didn't happen

That never happened..


The tooth fairy left it under his pillow one night.

[De Dragon]

De hell kinda thread is this?

[mamoo_pagal]

[X2]

how else do you read the Quran? only in its arabic form is i true, even the translations to different languages are not substantial. the english language is weak and therefore cannot truly be used to translate the Quran. pick up any english version and you will read what the interpreter write in the intro. as for arabic version there is no means for this as it was clearly revealed to Muhammad(saw) through the angel Gabriel from God. and to keep firm belief in this alone is a start to seeing the truth.

Whoa... dais english ? Cuz I speak arabic and can't don't understand what ur saying.

[d spike]

What sort of questions are these?

Given the fact that so many of you tuners do not believe in God, does this mean that you do not believe in the existence of hell.

Doesn't the very concept of Hell rely on the existence of a belief in a god (who "created" such a place)? You really expect there to be atheists who believe in a Hell in the afterlife?

And if there is no hell, does this also mean that there is no Satan?

Ohh... it gets better... of course, Bluefete, there are also atheists out there who refuse to believe in God or the existence of Hell... but believe that Satan exists...
Good grief. What exactly were you trying to ask?

Anyway...
Based on what I have read here, I think I will stick my oar in...
Many a theologian has pointed out that most Christians have a problem understanding fully two concepts: God is love, and the existence of Hell... and in trying to accept one, they invariably get muddled up about the other.
Those who appreciate God's acceptance and love for his pet puny earthlings, in their difficulty in marrying this concept to one of eternal torment, become convinced that everyone gets forgiven in the end... even the guys with red underwear, forks, and slick haircuts - according to some early writers.
Those who firmly believe in holy fire and brimstone justice, get rather confused where infinite love is concerned... and solve the problem by turning our existence into an "Us vs. Them" affair - "Gawd loves us... all ya'all sinners is agoin' tuh Hell..."

A proper explanation relies on the clear understanding of "free will", as well as a clear understanding of why Hell exists - which no fundamentalist can properly explain, as their faith system is hinged heavily on vengeful justice.

Those who believe in God should be able to point out that us folks were meant to be with him. In this existence, we decide where we wish to spend the next one - and we do so through what we continually attempt to achieve. What our lives and our hearts focus on will become our destination.
St. Augustine said it best: your love is your weight. What you have loved in this life will take you to the next one... a love of others, the essence of the Creation, will take you to the Creator. A love of self will ensure that you will be rewarded by the company of exactly that. Hell is not a place where you will be surrounded by old friends who enjoyed similar bad habits, spending eternity bumping gums about the bad old days, wondering which lucky bugger made it to the five-star party upstairs... Hell is the place where God isn't, the place where one who strove to serve himself, will achieve. In this lies the truest torment of Hell... for to spend eternity in the company of oneself, when we were made for a totally opposite existence... and to be fully aware of all this... regretting the decision made, yet incapable of changing one's mind - for the time of decision-making has passed... this sense of loneliness is the essence that is referred to as Hell.

Those who love to quote the bible can look to find where Jesus spoke of false charity to acquire public acclaim: "that is their reward" were his words... and that is what he meant.

Those who do not share the same concept of God as others... so what if they don't believe in an eternal punishment? Is it not enough that they strive to achieve that which is good, and spurn that which is wrong? In doing so, are they less as "good" as religious goodies, who attempt good because they are scared shitless of going to Hell? Sounds to me that those who are doing good for the sake of goodness are more on track to the Creator than those who do so out of fear.

[Soundwave]

thank dog I'm a dyslexic atheist...

[~Vēġó~]

hell is this illusionary world....but that was mentioned already, so as you were....

[matthewmazda]

So where Hitler is right now ? in hell ?

[mamoo_pagal]

So where Hitler is right now ? in hell ?

hmm, and this is something that always amazes me. There are many who have nothing to say about Hitler, however, they are always certain and confident to say that Gandhi is in hell......
So who knows, both Hitler and Ghandi are probably in hell based on the logic of some religious entities that exist!!

[mediahouse]

The muslim and christians teaching are very similar , the christians was misguided and led to believe Jesus is god. how can he be a god when they also call him the son of god? so they praying to the son of god and not the god himself?

the muslims and christians both believe in a heaven and hell , this can be achieved by your doing in this world until a Judgement day arrives .

If there is a beginning then theres surely an end ..

as for me yes there is a hell and heaven and people have to pay for their deeds.

Example if a man kill and rape many people do you think when he dies thats it for him? dont you think he has to meet his creator to pay for his acts?


oh well....

[mamoo_pagal]

The muslim and christians teaching are very similar , the christians was misguided and led to believe Jesus is god. how can he be a god when they also call him the son of god? so they praying to the son of god and not the god himself?

the muslims and christians both believe in a heaven and hell , this can be achieved by your doing in this world until a Judgement day arrives .

If there is a beginning then theres surely an end ..

as for me yes there is a hell and heaven and people have to pay for their deeds.

Example if a man kill and rape many people do you think when he dies thats it for him? dont you think he has to meet his creator to pay for his acts?


oh well....

this makes us feel nice, the thought of ultimate justice....
but a quick question, the person who is a victim of the rape, who lives a life of hate, anger and depression. Who then indulges in behaviour that is "worthy" of being cast into hell. Does this person get condemned??

[megadoc1]

the christians was misguided and led to believe Jesus is god. how can he be a god when they also call him the son of god? so they praying to the son of god and not the god himself?

misguided is not the term you need to use here, best if you use the word believe instead.
and to answer your other questions
take a lil read

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

so before he was known as the son of God, he is known as God.

In Isaiah 10:20, we find the expression, "Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel." The Holy one is said to be no less than Jehovah Himself. And in Acts 3:13-4, Peter tells the men of Jerusalem, "You delivered up [Jesus], and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. You disowned the Holy and Righteous One."
In Isaiah 44:6 we read, "Thus says [Jehovah], the King of Israel and his Redeemer, [Jehovah Sabaoth]: 'I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me." That verse in and of itself offers strong proof for the Trinity, because it differentiates between Jehovah and His Redeemer Jehovah. But it also reserves for Jehovah God this expression "the first and the last." That title surfaces again in Revelation 1:8, where it is again applied to Jehovah: "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." No question about who owns that title. Notice, too that it is a title that can hardly be shared with any created being: the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the One who is and who was and who is to come, the almighty. Yet at the end of the book of Revelation we read these words again, this time spoken by Jesus Christ: "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end" (Rev. 22:13).
In Isaiah 43:11, God speaks: "I, even I, am Jehovah; and there is no savior besides Me." Did you realize the title "Savior" is reserved in Scripture for God? This verse says so in the plainest possible terms. "I am Jehovah; and there is no savior besides Me." That is why Paul, writing to Titus, did not shrink from applying the name God and the word Savior both to Jesus Christ. Titus 2:11-13 says this:

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.


Zechariah 12:10 includes a most interesting prophecy. In context, this is Jehovah speaking. Verse 4 tells us so. Then verse 10 says, "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him, like the bitter weeping over a first- born." Who was the One who was pierced? It was Christ. And John 19:37 specifically applies this text to Christ.
Deuteronomy 10:17 says, "[Jehovah] your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God." Yet Revelation 17:14 applies the title "Lord of Lords" to the lamb, Jesus Christ: "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful."

Christ is eternal, as we noted in Micah 5:2, and in His titles, "the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
He is omnipresent. In Matthew 18:20, He said, "Where two or three have gathered together in My name, there I am in their midst"; and in Matthew 28:20, He promised, "Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
He is omniscient. On the night Christ was betrayed, the disciples told Him, "Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God" (Jn. 16:30). Later, Peter appealed to Christ's omniscience in his own defense, John 21:17: "Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, 'Do you love Me?' And he said to Him, 'Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.'" In Revelation 2:23 Christ describes Himself in these terms: "I am He who searches the minds and hearts.
He is omnipotent. Philippians 3:21 says He "will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself." Hebrews 1:3 says He "upholds all things by the word of His power."
He is immutable, unchanging. This attribute could never be true of any created being. Yet Hebrews 1:10-12 says, speaking of Christ,

Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thy hands; they will perish, but Thou remainest; And they all will become old as a garment, and as a mantle Thou wilt roll them up; As a garment they will also be changed. But Thou art the same, And Thy years will not come to an end.


Hebrews 13:8 is a familiar affirmation of the immutability of Christ: "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and forever."
In summary, Scripture says Christ embodies every attribute that is true of Jehovah, Colossians 2:9: "For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form." And Hebrews 1:3 says Christ "is the radiance of [Jehovah's] glory and the exact representation of His nature. Jesus is Jehovah God.

Jesus does works that God alone can do. For example, Christ created "all things." John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." If that is true, then He himself could not be a created being.
Colossians 1:16 says the same thing in more detail, ruling out the possibility He could be any kind of archangel: "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him." Verse 17 takes it a step further and pictures Him not only as Creator but also as Sustainer: "And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together."
He oversees the operation of divine providence. In John 17:2, Christ prays to the Father, "Even as Thou gavest [the Son] authority over all mankind, that to all whom Thou hast given Him, He may give eternal life. Ephesians 1:22 echoes that: "And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church."
He forgives sin. This was a huge controversy in Jesus' earthly ministry. Matt 9:2-7 and Mark 2:5-10 give the accounts of how the Pharisees were offended that He forgave sins. In Mark 2:7 they ask, "Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone?" They understood clearly the implications of His authority.
He has the power to raise the dead and judge final judgment. In John 5:22, Jesus said, "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son." That is a very explicit claim of deity, and in verse 24, Jesus even makes the basis of judgment the issue of whether someone hears His word or not. Acts 10:42 says Christ "has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the dead." Acts 17:31 says the same thing. 2 Timothy 4:1 says "Christ Jesus . . . is to judge the living and the dead."
It is He who will bring us into the fullness of glorification. Philippians 3:21 says He "will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory." In Revelation 21:5 He says, "Behold, I am making all things new."

Jesus Himself in Matthew 4:10 said told the Devil, "Begone, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.'" If Jesus Himself were only a creature, He would have been guilty of hypocrisy, for He himself received worship. Not once did Jesus ever rebuke anyone for worshiping Him. Never did He refuse anyone's worship. In fact, He corrected those who scolded others for worshiping Him, as in John 10, when Martha was angry that Mary sat at His feet. And in Matthew 26, He rebuked the disciples for being indignant that a woman had anointed Him with expensive ointment.
Listen carefully to these verses, and remember that in every case Jesus welcomed the worship that was offered to Him:

Matthew 14:33—"And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, 'You are certainly God's Son!'"
John 9:38—"And [the man born blind] said, 'Lord, I believe.' And he worshiped Him."
Matthew 28:9—"And behold, Jesus met them and [greeted the women coming from His tomb]. And they came up and took hold of His feet and worshiped Him."
Matthew 28:17-18—"And when [the eleven disciples] saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, 'All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.'"
John 20:28-29—"Thomas answered and said to Him, 'My Lord and my God!' [Now listen to Jesus' response to Thomas' calling Him God:] Jesus said to him, 'Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.'"


Contrast Jesus' response to worship with Peter's response when "Cornelius met him, and fell at his feet and worshiped him" (Acts 10:25). Verse 26 says, "Peter raised him up, saying, 'Stand up; I too am just a man.'" Acts 14:11-18 tells of a similar episode in Paul's ministry, when he and Barnabas refused the worship of an entire crowd. Then in Revelation 19:10 and 22:8-9, we have angels refusing worship from the Apostle John. In 22:9 the angel says, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book; worship God."
Scripture explicitly states that the Son is to be worshiped. John 5:22-23 says, "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, in order that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him." Jesus placed Himself on the highest possible level when He made Himself an object of our faith, John 14:1: "Let not your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me."
You want ultimate proof that Jesus is not an angel? Hebrews 1:6 says that when the Father brought the Son into the world, He said, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."
Let's move on to the two final lines of argument that prove Jesus is God. I have saved the strongest for last. For if Jesus is God, you would expect the Bible to say so in the strongest of terms. And in fact it does

Jesus Himself claims to be God.
Finally, if Jesus is God, we might expect Him to say so. Have you ever wondered why He didn't simply state, "I am God?" and put an end to any possibility of confusion?
Actually, He did. What He says in John 8:58 was to His Jewish audience a far more explicit statement than if He had merely said "I am God." It is important to see this passage in its context. In verse 53, we see that the Pharisees were becoming uncomfortable with Jesus' claims, beginning to suspect that He was putting Himself on a level of authority no mere man would have any right to. They said:

53 "Surely You are not greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets died too; whom do You make Yourself out to be?"
54 Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God';
55 and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I shall be a liar like you, but I do know Him, and keep His word.
56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad."
57 The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?"
58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple.

Notice that these men understood precisely what Jesus was saying. And because He obviously also understood what they were asking, His reply is all that much more significant. He was telling them He was God, using the name Jehovah Himself had revealed to Moses at the burning bush, "I AM." He could have made no stronger claim of deity. If that had not been His meaning, if he were claiming only to be the firstborn angel, He would have said, "before Abraham was born, I was."
The gospel of John includes a whole series of statements Jesus made about Himself using this name "I AM"—I am the way, the truth, and the life (Jn. 14:6); I am the good shepherd; I am the door; I am the bread of life; I am the light of the world. Each one of these statements, studied in context, reveals that He was making claim after claim of absolute deity.
The biblical evidence for the deity of Christ is conclusive. It is overwhelming, irrefutable evidence. In fact, what we have covered here is only a representative sample. I haven't even mentioned John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." That, and many other similar passages could be adduced to prove even more conclusively that according to Scripture, He is God.
So much evidence cannot be swept aside or ignored. You either believe it, or you condemn yourself to an unthinkable eternity. In fact, Jesus said, "Unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins" (Jn. 8:24). There Jesus holds forth His "I am"—without a predicate—as the object of our faith. He is very obviously setting Himself in the place of God, and He can do that only because He is God. Those who know that Scripture is the Word of God can only believe, and join in the worship of Him at whose name every knee shall bow.

it is all a matter of what you believe son