Legality of Day Time Running Lights (DRLs)

dandadda007 · Postby **dandadda007** » March 27th, 2012, 1:21 pm

I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DRL) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

rollingstock · Postby **rollingstock** » March 27th, 2012, 1:24 pm

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Bareback · Postby **Bareback** » March 27th, 2012, 1:30 pm

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jusme · Postby **jusme** » March 27th, 2012, 1:31 pm

AUDI & BMW owners > TTPS

stev · Postby **stev** » March 27th, 2012, 1:35 pm

i dont see dem being a hazard during the day or night....is only d rice out lights men does put on dey car does fack up people eyes at night.

dandadda007 · Postby **dandadda007** » March 27th, 2012, 1:48 pm

Don't see them as a hazard either..actually the exact opposite...But can you be charged for using proper lights that were designed for being DTRs officially if you add them to a car that did not have them to begin with?

MG Man · Postby **MG Man** » March 27th, 2012, 1:53 pm

the real hazard is those tuntuns who drive at night with their headlights off so people can see their pretty LEDs

Stephon. · Postby **Stephon.** » March 27th, 2012, 2:18 pm

My father always says that he's waiting on the day an officer tries to ticket him for this.

rollingstock · Postby **rollingstock** » March 27th, 2012, 2:24 pm

Stephon. wrote:My father always says that he's waiting on the day an officer tries to ticket him for this.

Why yuh fadda doh hush he MC and go look for a hard c0ck somewhere :idea:

Stephon. · Postby **Stephon.** » March 27th, 2012, 2:28 pm

I should give him your badge number then? :oops:

crazychinee · Postby **crazychinee** » March 27th, 2012, 2:30 pm

dandadda007 wrote:I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DTR) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

If it comes fitted to your car, then you have a case.
I believe it's now LAW in the EU, that all vehicles as if this year must have DLR.

Stephon. · Postby **Stephon.** » March 27th, 2012, 2:35 pm

crazychinee wrote:
dandadda007 wrote:I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DTR) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

If it comes fitted to your car, then you have a case.
I believe it's now LAW in the EU, that all vehicles as if this year must have DLR.

Not really, personally know one girl that got charged for it, and had to pay the ticket. She didn't challenge it though. I guess it's because she was scared of the consequences.

rollingstock · Postby **rollingstock** » March 27th, 2012, 2:37 pm

Stephon. wrote:I should give him your badge number then?

Him ah buy a carrr for me too? :oops:

crazychinee wrote:
dandadda007 wrote:I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DTR) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

If it comes fitted to your car, then you have a case.
I believe it's now LAW in the EU, that all vehicles as if this year must have DLR.

What country you in?

crazychinee · Postby **crazychinee** » March 27th, 2012, 2:43 pm

rollingstock wrote:
Stephon. wrote:I should give him your badge number then?

Him ah buy a carrr for me too?

crazychinee wrote:
dandadda007 wrote:I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DTR) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

If it comes fitted to your car, then you have a case.
I believe it's now LAW in the EU, that all vehicles as if this year must have DLR.

What country you in?

Trying to explain why these cars come fitted with DLR standard.

crazychinee · Postby **crazychinee** » March 27th, 2012, 2:46 pm

Stephon. wrote:
crazychinee wrote:
dandadda007 wrote:I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DTR) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

If it comes fitted to your car, then you have a case.
I believe it's now LAW in the EU, that all vehicles as if this year must have DLR.

Not really, personally know one girl that got charged for it, and had to pay the ticket. She didn't challenge it though. I guess it's because she was scared of the consequences.

Well, I was almost charged twice for DRL on my car. In both instances I told the officer that the lights came fitted onto my car,and I dont see why it's a scene now, and wasn't a scene when the firm was licencing the vehicle.
There was a debate amongst the officers in the roadblock about charging me, but it was 1am and they decided to let me go. :lol:

Morpheus · Postby **Morpheus** » March 27th, 2012, 2:59 pm

crazychinee wrote:
dandadda007 wrote:I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DTR) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

If it comes fitted to your car, then you have a case.
I believe it's now LAW in the EU, that all vehicles as if this year must have DLR.

Yup. All vehicles SOLD in the EU must have DRLs from the factory. As of 2012. Great safety feature if you ask me. But I think it was more due to their sometimes foggy atmosphere, etc.

I think they should be permitted in T&T. Once you start your car they are on. Volvo has been doing this for years. Not fancy LEDs but regular lights.

Some people don't understand the concept "It's not for you to see. It's for ppl to see you". You ever driving on the road 5:30am or 6:30pm, look in your rearview or side mirror, only to realise something look strange. Is a damn car/truck with no lights on :evil:

"It's not for you to see. It's for ppl to see you"

Habit7 · Postby **Habit7** » March 27th, 2012, 3:10 pm

It is not illegal for them to be fitted on your car, it is illegal for you to have them on - TTPS

Dizzy28 · Postby **Dizzy28** » March 27th, 2012, 3:10 pm

If you been operating fine all these years without it you don't need it

rollingstock · Postby **rollingstock** » March 27th, 2012, 3:15 pm

Morpheus wrote:Some people don't understand the concept "It's not for you to see. It's for ppl to see you". You ever driving on the road 5:30am or 6:30pm, look in your rearview or side mirror, only to realise something look strange. Is a damn car/truck with no lights on "It's not for you to see. It's for ppl to see you"

If drivers adhered to the prescribed 'lighting up hours' as posted in notices this problem will not arise, our climate is different.

Habit7 wrote:It is not illegal for them to be fitted on your car, it is illegal for you to have them on - TTPS

NO!

The Motor Vehicle and Road Traffic Act of Trinidad and Tobago Chapter 48:50 states so.

Aaron 2NR · Postby **Aaron 2NR** » March 27th, 2012, 3:25 pm

Consultations are ongoing to include these as well as update the road traffic act

Habit7 · Postby **Habit7** » March 27th, 2012, 3:31 pm

Mr. Chandresh Sharma wrote:There are many inconsistencies in the licensing standards and vehicle
inspection. For instance, some foreign-used vehicles come installed with fog
lamps. You go to the licensing office, you meet the requirements; the person sells
the vehicle; first it has to pass the customs and the Bureau of Standards; the
vehicle is now sold to citizen A; he goes to the licensing office, obtains a licence
plate; so the vehicle is legally on the road. He pays his insurance; the vehicle
meets the insurance requirements; there is a licensed driver; then the police stop him
and say: See those two fog lamps; they are illegal; you are going to be charged.

The person says: Listen, this car is PCK; I purchased it a couple months ago; it
came from Singapore; I paid all the taxes; it met the licensing requirements; how
can you charge me? He says: The Licensing Authority is totally different from us.
Fog lamps are illegal. You have to decide what it is.

These fog lamps are installed for safety measures; to improve and increase the
lighting on the road. The Government and police officers argue that this is
decorative; it is not part of the vehicle. That is inconsistent.

In the same way, there is no scientific measure of the tint, so the police officer
wearing glasses says: Listen! I am wearing glasses; I can see well. This fails.
Down the road, another officer says: I am not wearing glasses; I can see well too.
This is okay. It is inconsistent. This cannot be so.

February 24, 2010 MOTOR VEHICLES AND ROAD TRAFFIC
(MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS) BILL http://www.ttparliament.org/hansards/hh20100224.pdf

He said this two years ago while in Opposition, lets see if he can bring change....

rollingstock · Postby **rollingstock** » March 27th, 2012, 3:37 pm

^ They in power now, really think they give a sh!t?

His objective was met, no more need to preen to the public.

Aaron 2NR · Postby **Aaron 2NR** » March 27th, 2012, 3:55 pm

rollingstock wrote:^ They in power now, really think they give a sh!t?

His objective was met, no more need to preen to the public.

Consultations are ongoing to include these as well as update the road traffic act

MG Man · Postby **MG Man** » March 27th, 2012, 3:59 pm

Aaron 2NR wrote:
rollingstock wrote:^ They in power now, really think they give a sh!t?

His objective was met, no more need to preen to the public.

Consultations are ongoing to include these as well as update the road traffic act

as they on that, ask them whose bright idea was it to put a bus shed on a ^&^$ing filter...check the westbound lane coming out of Valsayn South (the exit with the traffic lights)

nemesis · Postby **nemesis** » March 27th, 2012, 4:29 pm

If you're confused about the LED's legality just turn on all your lights in the day. Problem solved. (Although I was stopped and asked why I had on my headlights after exiting some rain on the highway already).
You could also just turn off the DRLs. All the vehicles that come with them have that option.
If you do chose to disable the DRLs then maybe you should at least turn on your headlights an hour before you think it's needed and leave them on a bit longer in the morning, and always turn on when it rains. They can't really charge you for that.

nismoid · Postby **nismoid** » March 27th, 2012, 5:29 pm

crazychinee wrote:
Stephon. wrote:
crazychinee wrote:
dandadda007 wrote:I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DTR) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

If it comes fitted to your car, then you have a case.
I believe it's now LAW in the EU, that all vehicles as if this year must have DLR.

Not really, personally know one girl that got charged for it, and had to pay the ticket. She didn't challenge it though. I guess it's because she was scared of the consequences.

Well, I was almost charged twice for DRL on my car. In both instances I told the officer that the lights came fitted onto my car,and I dont see why it's a scene now, and wasn't a scene when the firm was licencing the vehicle.
There was a debate amongst the officers in the roadblock about charging me, but it was 1am and they decided to let me go.

I dont understand something here,
Why would officers be debating about your DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS at 1am?
at 1am its kinda difficult to differentiate the DRL once its enclosed it the headlights

Aaron 2NR · Postby **Aaron 2NR** » March 27th, 2012, 5:30 pm

ROFL....is it infact daylight running lights or just leds?

plex · Postby **plex** » March 27th, 2012, 5:40 pm

I would agree our laws are a bit antique.....But every single European car must have DRL..Whether spanish , german, french etc...Its compulsory in Europe..

See the link below...

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/3952/da ... -in-europe

konartis · Postby **konartis** » March 27th, 2012, 6:58 pm

nismoid wrote:
crazychinee wrote:
Stephon. wrote:
crazychinee wrote:
dandadda007 wrote:I know we see cars, namely the AUDIs and the BMWs, with Daytime Running Lights (DTR) being used on our nation's roads. Firstly, are these lights legal according to our outdated road laws? Secondly, if ticketed by the authorities, can you argue in court the safety implications of having them and win? Thirdly, is it legal to have these lights fitted to a vehicle that originally came without them and have them turned on. That is, those newer type aftermarket headlights seen on the Hilux and Navara. Or the addition of them to a flare kit with the universally mounted types. Thanks

If it comes fitted to your car, then you have a case.
I believe it's now LAW in the EU, that all vehicles as if this year must have DLR.

Not really, personally know one girl that got charged for it, and had to pay the ticket. She didn't challenge it though. I guess it's because she was scared of the consequences.

Well, I was almost charged twice for DRL on my car. In both instances I told the officer that the lights came fitted onto my car,and I dont see why it's a scene now, and wasn't a scene when the firm was licencing the vehicle.
There was a debate amongst the officers in the roadblock about charging me, but it was 1am and they decided to let me go.

I dont understand something here,
Why would officers be debating about your DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS at 1am?
at 1am its kinda difficult to differentiate the DRL once its enclosed it the headlights

usual police antics...some knws and the other doesnt knw...at the end you might get a bad ticket or get away because they dont want to write the ticket...but as far as i knw, there is the lighting up hours and if your light is one outside of this, the only ticket they could give you is breach of a traffic order(something like that) its outdated and ridicules

pioneer · Postby **pioneer** » March 27th, 2012, 7:03 pm

are laws being updated to protect animals against abuse?

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