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Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » June 19th, 2012, 12:29 pm

I got a blue. Like in d pics above.

I not sure about if it is leather or leatherette.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby nes123 » June 20th, 2012, 10:02 pm

Lemme just add...NO Euro comes with letherette unless done outside the firm..

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » June 23rd, 2012, 12:39 pm

small update:
friend Mk5 Jetta still by dealer. No concrete explanations or dates for completion of repairs to transmission as they await "feedback" from Germany.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby GTi Guy » June 23rd, 2012, 1:59 pm

my sister's tiguan had a tranny issue the replaced the whole unit... took them like a month to complete... they footed the bill since was still under warranty and also was a leased vehicle... weird tho tranny issue are common occurrence with the vw and audi here judging from a couple people i know with the 1.8T and 2.0T but they were dealt with under warranty as i was lead to believe

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » June 25th, 2012, 10:22 am

nes123 wrote:Lemme just add...NO Euro comes with letherette unless done outside the firm..


You're right. Checked VW Uk website as it's the same spec cars we get here and they offer leather. The US however can only get leatherette in their Jettas. Another thing I've noted is that the same spec Jetta costs less in Trinidad vs UK. Worse yet if one buying in Singapore. Sort of nice to see we get a price lower than other countries.


uttamj wrote:my sister's tiguan had a tranny issue the replaced the whole unit... took them like a month to complete... they footed the bill since was still under warranty and also was a leased vehicle... weird tho tranny issue are common occurrence with the vw and audi here judging from a couple people i know with the 1.8T and 2.0T but they were dealt with under warranty as i was lead to believe


What model Tiguan did your sister have? Drivetrain? The problem I have right now looking at tranny issues is that OK they replace it under warranty but I'm not seeing the manufacturer release updated parts so who is to say the problem won't reappear 2 years outside your warranty?

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby nes123 » June 25th, 2012, 5:27 pm

what really is the issue apart from software and mecatronics upgrades? I do know the dsg dry clutches have an average lifespan of 300,000km...but that is just a maintenance part really ...

Online forums suggest these are the only issue affecting them, another variable often overlooked is our climate is getting hotter by the month, but the overall cooling system is good on these cars apart from that - usually air and liquid cooled

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Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » June 25th, 2012, 10:32 pm

The issue is noone knows what the issue really is so to speak. The clutches seem to be easily replaced if there is a problem with them that involves the car juddering at low speeds.

The bigger problem with less info online is the mechatronic unit that seems to fail randomly way before 300,000 km. Failure of this unit prevents the car from engaging gears. You put the car in D and it refuses to engage leaving you parked up basically.
These units aren't repaired. They are replaced entirely due to their complexity. The issue is that very little explanation is given by VW or dealer about the failure. Failure rate figures are also hard to come by. Will keep checking VW database for more info. If I find anything concrete I'll be sure to post it here.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby GTi Guy » June 26th, 2012, 6:54 am

my sis tiguan is the 2.0 TSi awd with 6speed auto... not the DSG.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby cqk4 » July 1st, 2012, 5:18 pm

I think the 2012 jetta is pretty good but I wont touch that DSG transmission even if I was getting cash back lol.

With that said, how hard do you guys think it would be to get it manual ?

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Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 1st, 2012, 8:28 pm

No clue how hard it would be. Manual with this engine would be fun though!

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby kingskid » July 2nd, 2012, 1:16 am

hi all new here,
what do you all think about the golf varient

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby GTi Guy » July 2nd, 2012, 7:22 pm

nice car...huge trunk n drives nice, not sure whats the price now but they were priced very attractively when i checked them

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby kingskid » July 2nd, 2012, 7:44 pm

its currently going for $221000

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby kingskid » July 2nd, 2012, 7:48 pm

i already ordered one should get it this week,
looking for reviews for any one that owns one.

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Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 2nd, 2012, 8:40 pm

They must not be selling then vuz that price dropped from 230k some months ago. I test drove one as no jettas were in the showroom for test drives. Same engine and tranny as the jetta so it had decent pep. The mothers of TNT driving round with all this power and don't know better :o

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby kingskid » July 5th, 2012, 1:29 am

i got my car yesterday running good but them bums take the partition net and first aid kit, which the car comes with , then tell me, i have to buy it from them.
i hate this country for that.
also i got some under-steer/ body roll taking corners on the mount hope hospital road from hi-way.
any comments .

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Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 5th, 2012, 5:48 am

kingskid wrote:i got my car yesterday running good but them bums take the partition net and first aid kit, which the car comes with , then tell me, i have to buy it from them.
i hate this country for that.
also i got some under-steer/ body roll taking corners on the mount hope hospital road from hi-way.
any comments .


Congratulations! Post up some pics when you get a chance. You ordered off the lot or did you wait for one to be built?

A few things though:
How are you sure your car came with a first aid kit? Depending on the market and what trim level you bought certain things don't come with the car. Easiest way to check what REALLY came with the car is to do a VIN search via https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erwin/showH ... 9.ASTPVWE1 which is a site run directly by VW. It is open to the public and you can get repair manuals, approved oils and technical documents for your engine and tranny and several other features and parts for your vehicle there (or for any VW vehicle going back to 1947). Signing up is free but you will have to pay to use the VIN search. You have different rates to choose from.

Your car is green. Your engine has to brake in. Your tyres not at their best yet. The steering adjusts depending on what speed you're going and can take a while to get accustomed to if you usually drove vehicles with hydraulic steering before. Your brakes need to bed in. Finally the jetta is front wheel drive AND we don't get the sport model. The tendency of this car would be to understeer when cornering at high speeds under power. How fast we're you going on those mount hope curves?
What tyres did your jetta come with?
Mine came with Bridgestone Potenza RE50 with a Hankook spare.

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Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 5th, 2012, 6:00 am

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That is part of a saved PDF file showing me exactly what was put into my Jetta at the factory. This is what Erwin allows you to see. I searched for "first aid" and this is what came up in the PDF. You'll see bracket for first aid and warning triangle on the pic. So in my case my car didn't come with a first aid kit but the bracket was installed for a place to store it once I bought it. Disappointing yeah but you can't rough up the dealer on that one.

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I searched for warning triangle and you can see it came with car.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby kingskid » July 6th, 2012, 4:44 pm

thanks man ,
do you work at best auto?
i just pressured the tires, they were at 27psi they should have been 32, that should fix the under-steer.
i'll post some pics tonight.

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Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 6th, 2012, 6:17 pm

kingskid wrote:thanks man ,
do you work at best auto?
i just pressured the tires, they were at 27psi they should have been 32, that should fix the under-steer.
i'll post some pics tonight.


Lol if I worked at best auto I wouldn't post half the things in this thread. Better to let people bring their car in to fix for $$$!

I haven't checked tyre pressure since I got the car. Good reminder.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby kingskid » July 6th, 2012, 9:50 pm

just a reminder my car is the gulf variant.

i find it difficult to drive in traffic, the thing only knows how to go fast this can be annoying at times.
on the open hi way its good.
around town it bucks and you have to give it too much gas to take off from stop.
that being said, i am in love with. best ridding car i have ever driven, its well built and beautiful to look at. i' ll post pics tomorrow.
i dont want to put it to the test but i feel it can take a hit/impacts .
i dont have a credit card but if i give you a vin number do you think you can check on the partition net for me please.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby kingskid » July 6th, 2012, 9:57 pm

about the under-steering i was going about 75 80 mph on the mount hope road, but even around town i experience it . and the steering is lazy when coming off a lock.
to be fair i experienced the same thing with my other car just much worse, sold it for that a tiida.
that could just be E-steering for you

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 7th, 2012, 2:29 am

I found it bucks when it doesn't expect a certain gear change. e.g. slowing down behind the car in front of you to almost a stop so it thinks it should go to gear 1 but then you press gas to speed up right after and it has to switch from 1 back to 2 immediately.
You'll get the hang of it soon I guess. Think of it as like a manual because that is essentially what it is even though you drive in D. Try tiptronic mode in traffic and see if that suits your style better.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby EcoTune Trinidad » July 7th, 2012, 4:07 am

The only way to eliminate the under-steer these cars tend to have is to install poly bushes for the rear sway bar.Once you have done that your car will feel agile around corners especially S turns.

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby GTi Guy » July 7th, 2012, 6:09 am

lots of times its the esp or tc that can contribute to the understeer and in most vw u cant switch it off completely

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Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 7th, 2012, 8:00 am

Can't switch off easily in this jetta. I find the TC not too aggressive though. When it comes on it's usually after the point where I thought it would come on and then doesn't stay on for long at all. You can see an icon on the dash flashing when it is active.

As for understeer In the city at low speeds I'm sure that's the steering messing up so to speak. It isn't true understeer in that there is no tire chirp or feeling of being on an edge. It's just you turn in as much as you would have with hydraulic steering but apparently isn't enough turn in on the electronic steering. Just something to get accustom to and correct.

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Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 7th, 2012, 8:24 am

While researching DSG for VW I have come across some interesting articles. Thought I would post this one to give some insight as to how car manufacturers treat different markets(and possibly explain why the Caribbean only gets TWO years mechanical warranty from VW). Anyways this situation in China should be watched closely by us here as the DSG trannies in question directly apply here but in small numbers. My friend's 2010 mk5 Jetta remains by the dealer still unable to move and the dealer trying different suggestions from VW to fix it before replacing the entire thing as a last resort. basically a month has passed with no concrete date for delivery back to the owner.

There may be persons with more knowledge on this "issue" on this forum. Hopefully they can shed some light in this thread or euro forum...


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012- ... 541078.htm

"Decides against recall to fix transmission problems

Life should be pretty easy for Volkswagen at the moment.
Statistics show the group sold 2.3 million vehicles globally in 2011. It seems just a matter of time before the German giant overtakes GM and Toyota to become the world leader.
In China, Volkswagen's biggest market, sales increased 19 percent in the first four months, nearly quadruple the average growth of the entire market.
In the 30 years Volkswagen has been operating in China, the company has been frequently challenged by its competitors, but never caught.
Its oldest models, the Jetta and Santana, still sell more than 10,000 units each month. Its latest Passat and Magotan are causing Honda and Toyota to sweat.
Although issues regarding product quality, service and other aspects of VW have been reported, the public would rather believe these problems are at acceptable levels and will be resolved quickly.
In most cases, VW is much more fortunate than others, whose mistakes would normally be scrutinized for a long time. These mistakes are often attributed to the condition of the Chinese market.

But VW has now found itself in difficult situation that threatens to jeopardize its enviable position.
A June announcement by Volkswagen Group said its China CEO, Carl Thomas Neumann - who goes by the Chinese name Ni Mingkai - will leave the position after only two years.
The direct cause for his reassignment, though not officially stated, is believed to be the way he dealt with problems surrounding VW's highly touted DSG transmission.
Top of the list of factors that contributed to VW's success in China in recent years has been its turbocharged engine twinned with a DSG, or dual-shift gearbox.
The combination has not only enhanced the brand's image for high technology, fuel efficiency and strong performance, but also greatly boosted sales.
But in 2010, several failures of VW cars equipped with the DSG were reported.
VW's two local joint ventures, Shanghai VW and FAW VW, extended the warranty period of the transmission as a solution. Although it temporarily reduced customer complaints, the number of failures continued to grow.
Without a clear response and solution to the problem, the situation has gradually turned unfavorable for VW.
This year, the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine asked VW to solve the problem and recall the defective cars.
Yet the company remained silent, choosing to upgrade the software in the cars and further extend the warranty period.
As a result, more and more complaints have been received.
To make matters worse, the public has begun to doubt VW's image of safety and reliability.
Two of the most common failures of the DSG are the temperature alarm and system cutoff at high temperatures. The road conditions and driver habits are very different in China compared to Europe and the US.
Complex traffic conditions and unskilled gear manipulation may both lead to an unstable gearbox system.
As with all new technologies, it is normal to encounter conditions in the real world that are not expected in the laboratory, very often leading to failure.
In the US or other mature markets, it is common practice for carmakers to recall vehicles and conduct upgrades.
VW recalled four models with the DSG in the US in 2009 even though no failures were reported.
Yet in China, which lacks a robust recall system, a recall can be seen as a reflection of poor quality.
Toyota suffered heavily in 2010 after it announced a worldwide recall and has not fully recovered.
With the high sensitivity of initiating a recall, most carmakers would rather hide the problem and solve it secretly.
VW, even with a strong influence in China, is no exception. There is hardly any record of recalls by VW in past decades and this time is no different. Unfortunately, this time around, VW's approach does not appear to be working.
VW could have chosen a different way to deal with the problem.
They could have been honest with their customers by telling them what the problem is, how it will be fixed, and how they will be protected.
Even with a recall, the cost is much lower than the potential risk to the brand image and the future sales. That is the right approach, and matches where the company stands in the market.
Newman failed to pick the right answer. We will see if his successor thinks differently."

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Re: Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby kingskid » July 7th, 2012, 9:10 am

thanks for the help guys.
interesting artical .
i tried manual mode and that worked, now the trick is teaching my wife to use it.

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Postby cqk4 » July 7th, 2012, 11:09 am

Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:While researching DSG for VW I have come across some interesting articles. Thought I would post this one to give some insight as to how car manufacturers treat different markets(and possibly explain why the Caribbean only gets TWO years mechanical warranty from VW). Anyways this situation in China should be watched closely by us here as the DSG trannies in question directly apply here but in small numbers. My friend's 2010 mk5 Jetta remains by the dealer still unable to move and the dealer trying different suggestions from VW to fix it before replacing the entire thing as a last resort. basically a month has passed with no concrete date for delivery back to the owner.

There may be persons with more knowledge on this "issue" on this forum. Hopefully they can shed some light in this thread or euro forum...


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2012- ... 541078.htm
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This is indeed my main problem with the car.. I've been researching quite a bit since I was seriously considering the jetta and found that persons in all the countries.. the US, China (huge market), Europe all have issues with the dsg. The technology is incredible behind it without a doubt, but back in the real world where you have lots of traffic, all kinds of environments.. it just does not stand up in terms of reliability. I think its actually a bit worse in our country.. we basically get scraps from the big boys (yes they do take failed units and refurbish them etc)..

There is just not enough "security" for me to invest in something like this that has teething issues.. With more time (tho it has been about 4 years, 2008 they got the 7spd), I feel once they have revised it, addressed the "image" of long standing cars I will take a spin into the dealership again..

Btw they released an update for the mechatronics unit this year so it should be on your cars. From what I have read, it seems to give smoother changes and more "relaxed" settings which should improve the wear and tear on components.

Either way, I think it still drives awesome!

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Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » July 7th, 2012, 6:20 pm

The software "update" seems to be from March onwards. At least according to news reports from China and forum posts in Singapore. My car probably doesn't have this since it was made in January.

Not sure what the update really does and I have no clue how soon our region gets these updates.

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