The Religion Discussion

[metalgear2095]

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (one of the boston bombers) say that he and his brother were "Defending Islam"

So how come so much muslims all over the world are defending the "Religion of Peace" with bombs?

So the US, UN, France, etc are all muslims?

US- 9/11 Osama Bin Laden
UK- 7/7 "On the morning of Thursday, 7 July 2005, four Islamist home-grown terrorists detonated four bombs, three in quick succession aboard London Underground trains across the city and, later, a fourth on a double-decker bus in Tavistock Square. Fifty-two civilians and the four bombers were killed in the attacks, and over 700 more were injured."

France- The 1995 bombings in France were carried out by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA), who were broadening the Algerian Civil War to France. In total, these attacks killed eight and injured more than 100.


Yes, they were all Muslim


Date: Details (#of fatalities)
23 Nov 2006: multiple car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (202)
22 Jan 2007: multiple bombings in Baghdad area, Iraq (101)
3 Feb 2007: truck bombing in market place in Baghdad, Iraq (137)
6 Mar 2007: two bombings and other attacks on pilgrims, Hilla, Iraq (137)
27 Mar 2007: two truck bombings in Tal Afar, Iraq (152)
18 Apr 2007: bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (193)
3-10 Jul 2007: hostage taking and subsequent storming of mosque in Islamabad, Pakistan (102)
7 Jul 2007: bombings in Baghdad and Armili, Iraq (182)
14 Aug 2007: multiple truck bombings in Al-Qataniyah and Al-Adnaniyah, Iraq (520)
18 Oct 2007: bombing of motorcade in Karachi, Pakistan (137)
17 Feb 2008: bombing at dogfighting festival in Kandahar, Afghanistan (105)
26-29 Nov 2008: multiple gun and grenade attacks and hostage takings in Mumbai, India (174)
19 Aug 2009: multiple bombings at government sites in Baghdad, Iraq (102)
25 Oct 2009: two vehicle bombings at government buildings in Baghdad, Iraq (155)
28 Oct 2009: bombing at marketplace in Pakistan (118)
8 Dec 2009: five car bombings in Baghdad, Iraq (127)
10 May 2010: multiple bombings in Hilla, Basra, al-Suwayra, and other cities, Iraq (102)

Why don't you research and advise us on the number of muslims killed by "Allied Forces"?

Why don't you research and advise the number of Muslims killed by muslims?

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[metalgear2095]

R.I.P. to the 2,976 American people that lost their lives on 9/11 and R.I.P. to the 48,644 Afghan and 1,690,903 Iraqi people that paid the ultimate price for a crime they did not commit. Oh and the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who experience this everyday. Your 9/11 is their 24/7!!

A lot of those Iraqi people were killed by Muslims blowing themselves up.

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[Habit7]

R.I.P. to the 2,976 American people that lost their lives on 9/11 and R.I.P. to the 48,644 Afghan and 1,690,903 Iraqi people that paid the ultimate price for a crime they did not commit. Oh and the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who experience this everyday. Your 9/11 is their 24/7!!

Those statistics you are copying and pasting reflect the total number of ppl killed and injured since the occupation. It also does not take into account the normal deaths that would occur in those countries anyway.

[DFC]

The words, Bomb, suicide bomb,hijacked plane,car bomb, suicide vest, extremism is synonymous with Muslim, Islam.

The words ,terrorists, jihad, islam, is synonymous with War, Terror, Death.

Good Job, "Religion of Peace".

[Daran]

Heard an Iman on radio yesterday saying that Muslims who carry out Terrorist attacks will still go to heaven.

He rationale was that other 'evil' Muslims convinced them that they'd be serving Allah by carrying out attacks on the innocents. Thereby making these terrorists innocent and still recieving award in the after life because of their 'good intentions.

Sacchetto Boutique & AdamB,

Do you all believe this is true? Also, do you sympathize with Terrorists? Honestly, it seems that the majority of Muslims do and sometimes justify these attacks?

[Sacchetto Boutique]

Sacchetto Boutique can we ever be friends?

take a look at this video...if you can be a good influence to me, we can be friends to a certain degree.

[Rooki3]

this thread sticky jed

[Sacchetto Boutique]

That imam does not represent all muslims. btw to DFC

What does Jiahd really mean to muslims?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1023_031023_jihad.html

[Habit7]

Sacchetto Boutique can we ever be friends?

take a look at this video...if you can be a good influence to me, we can be friends to a certain degree.

Have you ever consider a life in politics?

[Sacchetto Boutique]

NO,
did u even look at the video? good lessons for everyone in choosing friends or even a spouse.

[rocknrolla]

Heard an Iman on radio yesterday saying that Muslims who carry out Terrorist attacks will still go to heaven.

He rationale was that other 'evil' Muslims convinced them that they'd be serving Allah by carrying out attacks on the innocents. Thereby making these terrorists innocent and still recieving award in the after life because of their 'good intentions.

Sacchetto Boutique & AdamB,

Do you all believe this is true? Also, do you sympathize with Terrorists? Honestly, it seems that the majority of Muslims do and sometimes justify these attacks?

very sad and absolutely could not be true as the quran stipulates that all who succumb to the devil's temptation and misleading on earth will go to hell. the words were very clear when i read it. even imams can be wrong. maybe he didnt read that part. leaders have a large responsibility for their followers but the followers also must bare the responsibility of having their own free will. to allow another man to control u is no excuse.


Al-Hajj 22:4
He AL-Shaytan has been designated as evil itself and he who takes him as his tutelary friend or guardian shall be misled and be lost in the maze of error led by the nose to where he suffers the torment of the blazing fire laid upon the damned.

[rocknrolla]

http://m.dinimizislam.com/detail_en.asp?Aid=5689

"Angels and Iblîs

Question: Was Iblîs (Shaitan, the Devil) the master of angels before he was cursed?
ANSWER
Yes, he was the master and chief of angels. Islamic scholars declare:
All angels fell prostrate towards Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm with the command of Allahu ta’âlâ. Iblis, master of angels, did not obey the command and did not fall prostrate. According to a narration transmitted by Hadrat Imâm-i Salabî on the authority of Hadrat Ibni Abbas, Iblis was with angels. He was from the tribe of genies, who was created from fire. As for angels, they were created from nûr (light). The former name of Iblîs was Azâzil. He was one of the guards of Paradise. He was the chief of the angels who were in the sky which was the nearest to the Earth. He was the sultan [ruler] of the earthly sky and the earth itself. He was higher than angels in the grade of knowledge. He was administering the affairs of the part between the sky and the earth. For this reason, he became conceited. This state of his drifted him to disobedience to Allah. Allahu ta’âlâ, in turn, expelled him from His mercy. (Jâmiul Ahkâm)

Hadrat Ibni Abbâs declared:
(Iblîs was one of the guards of Paradise. He was administering the affairs of earthly sky.) [Bayhaqî]"

please refute the claim of the paternal cousin of the prophet Muhammad himself.

http://bama.ua.edu/~msa/adam.html

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

That imam does not represent all muslims. btw to DFC

What does Jiahd really mean to muslims?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/10/1023_031023_jihad.html

no imam today can represent all Muslims

similarly the link you posted is not what Jihad means to all Muslims either.
It may be in accordance with what you feel comfortable with as a meaning. But there are many other Muslims and non-Muslims who feel comfortable with it meaning something else entirely.

Just like I asked AdamB and habit7 and megadoc1 earlier in this thread "what makes your beliefs right and those of another religion wrong other?", the only answer they could give so far is "faith" which doesn't answer the question, similarly, what makes your interpretation of the words and scripture right and those of a terrorist wrong? The terrorist thinks he is right, you think you are right, Shias think they are right, Sunnis think they are right, all the while habit7 thinks he is right.

[Habit7]

Just like I asked AdamB and habit7 and megadoc1 earlier in this thread "what makes your beliefs right and those of another religion wrong other?", the only answer they could give so far is "faith" which doesn't answer the question

Really Duane?

Again, I am not stating that any text is right or wrong. However there is no evidence that you are right and AdamB is wrong or vice versa other than your respective faith in what you believe to be true.

I know you want to appear objective, but I can at least recall that you believe the Bible is wrong on the issue of Creation and your need to repent and believe the Gospel.
Again you are saying there is no evidence of me being right and AdamB being wrong yet I can just scroll up on this very page and see where I responded to you and stated that the Bible outweighs the Qu'ran by manuscript evidence (the means by which historians verify historical data) and archaeological evidence. Plus I outlined to Sacchetto that Muhammad advised his followers to observe the Torah, Psalms and Gospel and that these book can never be corrupted. Yet as later literate Muslims realised that these books contradict Islam, they claimed them all to be corrupted even though in the 7th Century these books of the Bible were already widely distributed throughout the world and yet analogous. But just as you did 20 pages prior you will claim there is no evidence, and when given the evidence you will gloss over it and 10 pages later claim absolutely there is NO evidence.
viewtopic.php?f=4&p=6997750#p6997750

I am not a prophet nor the son of a prophet, but you did exactly what I said you would do, just 23 pages later instead of 10.

[DFC]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/3/islamic-cleric-decrees-it-ok-syrian-rebels-rape-wo/

Islamic cleric decrees it OK for Syrian rebels to rape women


An Islamic cleric has cleared the path for rebels in Syria, who are trying to oust President Bashar Assad, to rape women, so long as they’re non-Sunni.
Salafi Sheikh Yasir al-Ajlawni, who hails from Jordan but who lived in Damascus for 17 years, sent a message via YouTube: It’s a “legitimate fatwa” for Muslims waging war against Mr. Assad and trying to put in place a Sharia government to “capture and have sex with” Alawites and other non-Sunni, non-Muslim women, Human Events reports. Mr. Assad is part of the Alawites sect.
In the video, the cleric called non-Muslim women by their Arabic term, “melk al-yamin,” Human Events reports. The term is from the Koran and refers to non-Muslim sex slaves, Human Events says.
This isn’t the first time Islamists have called for the raping of women.
A preacher in Saudi Arabi, Muhammad al-Arifi, sent forth a fatwa a few months ago giving jihadi fighters the right to have “intercourse marriage” with Syrian women they caught, and for that act to take enough time “to give each fighter a turn,” Human Events reports.




Adamb, you can now rape non-muslim women!!!!
Congrats.

Religion of Peace.

[AdamB]

the Bible outweighs the Qu'ran by manuscript evidence (the means by which historians verify historical data) and archaeological evidence.

Plus I outlined to Sacchetto that Muhammad advised his followers to observe the Torah, Psalms and Gospel and that these book can never be corrupted.

Habit7,

You are in denial man, those points were properly refuted. Most recently the second just yesterday where I quoted from the tafsir (explanation) of ibn kathir.

You see, once again you (christian) want to change the meaning of the verses and yet claim that the bible is unchanged!!

tukadhdhibu...you deny!!!

[AdamB]

http://m.dinimizislam.com/detail_en.asp?Aid=5689

"Angels and Iblîs

Question: Was Iblîs (Shaitan, the Devil) the master of angels before he was cursed?
ANSWER
Yes, he was the master and chief of angels. Islamic scholars declare:
All angels fell prostrate towards Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm with the command of Allahu ta’âlâ. Iblis, master of angels, did not obey the command and did not fall prostrate. According to a narration transmitted by Hadrat Imâm-i Salabî on the authority of Hadrat Ibni Abbas, Iblis was with angels. He was from the tribe of genies, who was created from fire. As for angels, they were created from nûr (light). The former name of Iblîs was Azâzil. He was one of the guards of Paradise. He was the chief of the angels who were in the sky which was the nearest to the Earth. He was the sultan [ruler] of the earthly sky and the earth itself. He was higher than angels in the grade of knowledge. He was administering the affairs of the part between the sky and the earth. For this reason, he became conceited. This state of his drifted him to disobedience to Allah. Allahu ta’âlâ, in turn, expelled him from His mercy. (Jâmiul Ahkâm)

Hadrat Ibni Abbâs declared:
(Iblîs was one of the guards of Paradise. He was administering the affairs of earthly sky.) [Bayhaqî]"

please refute the claim of the paternal cousin of the prophet Muhammad himself.

http://bama.ua.edu/~msa/adam.html

Surah kahf, 18:50 And (remember) when We said to the angels: "Prostrate yourselves unto Adam." So they prostrated themselves except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the jinn; he disobeyed the Command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblis) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimun (polytheists, and wrong-doers).

You are wrong because your source is wrong!

From tafsir ibn kathir:

The Story of Adam and Iblis
Allah points out to the Children of Adam the enmity of Iblis towards them and their father before them, and rebukes those who follow him and go against their Creator and Master. It is He who created them from nothing and sustains and nourishes them by His kindness, yet they still took Iblis as their friend and declared their enmity towards Allah. So Allah says:

﴿وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَـئِكَةِ﴾

(And (remember) when We said to the angels), meaning all the angels, as was mentioned in the beginning of Surat Al-Baqarah.

﴿اسْجُدُواْ لاًّدَمَ﴾

(Prostrate yourselves unto Adam) a prostration of respect and honour, as Allah says:

﴿وَإِذْ قَالَ رَبُّكَ لِلْمَلَـئِكَةِ إِنِّى خَـلِقٌ بَشَرًا مِّن صَلْصَـلٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ - فَإِذَا سَوَّيْتُهُ وَنَفَخْتُ فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِى فَقَعُواْ لَهُ سَـجِدِينَ ﴾

(And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels, "I am going to create a human (Adam) from dried (sounding) clay of altered mud. So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him.) ﴿15:28-29﴾

﴿فَسَجَدُواْ إِلاَّ إِبْلِيسَ كَانَ مِنَ الْجِنِّ﴾

([b]So they prostrated themselves except Iblis. He was one of the Jinn;) meaning, his original nature betrayed him. He had been created from smokeless fire, whereas the angels had been created from light, as is stated in Sahih Muslim where it is reported that `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said that the Messenger of Allah said:

«خُلِقَتِ الْمَلَائِكَةُ مِنْ نُورٍ، وَخُلِقَ إِبْلِيسُ مِنْ مَارِجٍ مِنْ نَارٍ، وَخُلِقَ آدَمُ مِمَّا وُصِفَ لَكُم»

(The angels were created from light, Iblis was created from smokeless fire, and Adam was created from that which has been described to you.[/b]) When matters are crucial, every vessel leaks that which it contains and is betrayed by its true nature. Iblis used to do what the angels did and resembled them in their devotion and worship, so he was included when they were addressed, but he disobeyed and went against what he was told to do. So Allah points out here that he was one of the Jinn, i.e., he was created from fire, as He says elsewhere:

﴿أَنَاْ خَيْرٌ مِّنْهُ خَلَقْتَنِي مِن نَّارٍ وَخَلَقْتَهُ مِن طِينٍ﴾

(I am better than he. You created me from fire, and You created him from clay.)﴿38:76﴾ Al-Hasan Al-Basri said, "Iblis was not one of the angels, not even for a second. He was the origin of the Jinn just as Adam, upon him be peace, was the origin of mankind.'' This was narrated by Ibn Jarir with a Sahih chain.

﴿فَفَسَقَ عَنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّهِ﴾

(he disobeyed the command of his Lord. ) meaning by stepping beyond the bounds of obedience to Allah. Fisq (disobeying) implies going out or stepping beyond. When the date emerges from its flower, the verb used in Arabic is Fasaqat; the same verb is used to describe a mouse coming out of its hole when it comes out to do damage. Then Allah says, rebuking those who follow and obey Iblis:

﴿أَفَتَتَّخِذُونَهُ وَذُرِّيَّتَهُ أَوْلِيَآءَ مِن دُونِى﴾

(Will you then take him and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me) meaning, instead of Me. This is why Allah says:

﴿بِئْسَ لِلظَّـلِمِينَ بَدَلاً﴾

(What an evil is the exchange for the wrongdoers.) This is like the Ayah in Surah Ya Sin where, after mentioning the Resurrection and its terrors, and the ultimate end of the blessed and the doomed, Allah then says:

﴿وَامْتَازُواْ الْيَوْمَ أَيُّهَا الْمُجْرِمُونَ ﴾

((It will be said): "And O you the criminals! Get you apart this Day (from the believers).) until;

﴿أَفَلَمْ تَكُونُواْ تَعْقِلُونَ﴾

(Did you not then understand) ﴿36:59-62﴾

﴿مَّآ أَشْهَدتُّهُمْ خَلْقَ السَّمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضِ وَلاَ خَلْقَ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمَا كُنتُ مُتَّخِذَ الْمُضِلِّينَ عَضُداً ﴾

(51. They did not witness the creation of the heavens and the earth nor their own creation, nor did I take those who mislead as `Adudan.)

REFUTED!!

[AdamB]

Is Iblees a Jinn or an Angel?

I was just wondering if Iblis was actually a jinn or an angel. This particular issue recently sparked my curiosity when it was presented to me by a person I know. If he is an angel, then how is it he disobeyed Allah, when angels have no will of their own and follow only Allah's command? If he is really a jinn, then it would better explain his disobedience as then he actually had the choice to obey or disobey Allah. I would appreciate a response, even if it is a brief one.

Praise be to Allah.
Iblis – may Allah curse him – is one of the jinn. He was not an angel for a single day, not even for an instant. The angels were created noble; they never disobey Allah when He commands them to do something and they do what they are commanded. This is clearly stated in the Quranic texts which indicate that Iblis is one of the jinn and not one of the angels. These texts include the following:

1. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (remember) when We said to the angels: “Prostrate yourselves unto Adam.” So they prostrated themselves except Iblis (Satan). He was one of the jinn; he disobeyed the command of his Lord. Will you then take him (Iblis) and his offspring as protectors and helpers rather than Me while they are enemies to you? What an evil is the exchange for the Zalimoon (polytheists, and wrongdoers, etc).” [18:50]

2. Allah stated that He created the jinn from fire, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And the jinn, We created aforetime from the smokeless flame of fire” [15:27]

“And the jinn He created from a smokeless flame of fire” [55:15]

And it was narrated in a saheeh hadeeth (authentic report) that ‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said: the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “The angels were created from light, the jinn were created from smokeless fire and Adam was created from that which has been described to you.” [Muslim, Ahmad, al-Bayhaqi and Ibn Hibban].

One of the attributes of the angels is that they were created from light, and the jinn were created from fire. It was mentioned in the Quran that Iblis – may Allah curse him – was created from fire. This is what Iblis himself said when Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, asked him the reason for his refusal to prostrate to Adam when Allah commanded him to do so. He – may Allah curse him – said:

“ ‘I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay.’” [7:12, 38:76 – interpretation of the meaning]. This indicates that he was one of the jinn.

3. Allah has described the angels in His Book, where He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Ward off yourselves and your families against a Fire (Hell) whose fuel is men and stones, over which are (appointed) angels stern (and) severe, who disobey not, (from executing) the commands they receive from Allah, but do that which they are commanded.” [66:6]

“And they say: ‘The Most Gracious (Allah) has begotten a son (or children).’ Glory to Him! They [whom they call children of Allah i.e. the angels, ‘Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam, ‘Uzair (Ezra)], are but honoured slaves. They speak not until He has spoken, and they act on His command.” [21:26-27]

“And to Allah prostrate all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, of the moving (living) creatures and the angels, and they are not proud [i.e. they worship their Lord (Allah) with humility]. They fear their Lord above them, and they do what they are commanded.” [16:49-50]

So it is not possible for the angels to disobey their Lord, because they are protected from sin and they are naturally inclined to obey Allah.

4. The fact that Iblis is not one of the angels means that he is not compelled to obey Allah. He has freedom of will just as we humans do. Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We showed him the way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful.” [76:3]

There are also Muslims and kafirs (non-Muslims) among the jinn. It says in Soorat al-Jinn (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): ‘It has been revealed to me that a group (from three to ten in number) of jinn listened (to this Quran). They said: ‘Verily, we have heard a wonderful Recitation (this Quran)! It guides to the right path, and we have believed therein, and we shall never join (in worship) anything with our Lord (Allah).’” [72:1-2]

In the same soorah (chapter), it states that the jinn said:

“‘And indeed when we heard the Guidance (this Quran), we believed therein (Islamic Monotheism), and whosoever believes in his Lord shall have no fear, either of a decrease in the reward of his good deeds or an increase in the punishment for his sins. And of us some are Muslims (who have submitted to Allah, after listening to this Quran), and of us some are Al‑Qasitoon (disbelievers those who have deviated from the right path)…” [72:13-14]

Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) said in his exegesis:

Al-Hasan al-Basri said: Iblis was not one of the angels, not even for a single moment. He is the father of the jinn, just as Adam (peace be upon him) is the father of mankind. This was narrated by al-Tabari with a saheeh isnad (authentic chain).

Some of the scholars said that Iblis was one of the angels, that he was the peacock of the angels, that he was the one among the angels who strove the hardest in worship … and other reports, most of which come from the Israiliyyat (stories and reports from Jewish sources), and some of which contradict the clear texts of the Quran.

Ibn Kathir said, explaining this:

A lot of these reports were transmitted from the salaf (pious predecessors), and most of them come from the Israiliyyat, which may have been transmitted in order to be examined [i.e., as opposed to being accepted as is]. Allah knows best about the veracity or otherwise of many of them. Some of them are definitely to be rejected, because they go against the truth which we hold in our hands. In the Quran we have what is sufficient so that we have no need for previous reports, because hardly any of them are free of distortions, with things added or taken away. Many things have been fabricated in them, for they did not have people who had memorized things precisely by heart (huffaz) who could eliminate the distortions created by extremists and fabricators, unlike this ummah (nation) which has its imams (religious leaders), scholars, masters, pious and righteous people, brilliant critics and men of excellent memory who recorded the hadeeths (reports) and classified them, stating whether they were saheeh (sound), hasan (good), da’eef (weak), mawdoo’ (fabricated) or matrook (to be ignored). They identified the fabricators and liars, and those about whom nothing was known, and other kinds of men (i.e., narrators). All of this afforded protection to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), the seal of the Messengers and the leader of Mankind, so that nothing would be attributed to him falsely and nothing would be transmitted from him that he did not say or do. May Allah be pleased with them and make them pleased [by rewarding them], and make the Paradise of al-Firdaws their eternal abode. (Tafseer al-Quran il-‘Azeem).

And Allah knows best.

[AdamB]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/3/islamic-cleric-decrees-it-ok-syrian-rebels-rape-wo/

Islamic cleric decrees it OK for Syrian rebels to rape women


An Islamic cleric has cleared the path for rebels in Syria, who are trying to oust President Bashar Assad, to rape women, so long as they’re non-Sunni.
Salafi Sheikh Yasir al-Ajlawni, who hails from Jordan but who lived in Damascus for 17 years, sent a message via YouTube: It’s a “legitimate fatwa” for Muslims waging war against Mr. Assad and trying to put in place a Sharia government to “capture and have sex with” Alawites and other non-Sunni, non-Muslim women, Human Events reports. Mr. Assad is part of the Alawites sect.
In the video, the cleric called non-Muslim women by their Arabic term, “melk al-yamin,” Human Events reports. The term is from the Koran and refers to non-Muslim sex slaves, Human Events says.
This isn’t the first time Islamists have called for the raping of women.
A preacher in Saudi Arabi, Muhammad al-Arifi, sent forth a fatwa a few months ago giving jihadi fighters the right to have “intercourse marriage” with Syrian women they caught, and for that act to take enough time “to give each fighter a turn,” Human Events reports.




Adamb, you can now rape non-muslim women!!!!
Congrats.

Religion of Peace.

Thanks but I am not even going to bother with checking out this one. ALL religions teach goodness and good conduct and islam is the best religion. So how could what you are accusing be true?

Everything you see posted on the internet you take as "bible". That is what fools do, allowing themselves to be manipulated and misguided.

There is a reason why prophet narrations were classified into sound (authentic), good and weak (which includes FABRICATED). Hypocrites intentionally tried to poison/confuse the authentic narrations but they were weeded out...

Good luck, cheers!

[AdamB]

Heard an Iman on radio yesterday saying that Muslims who carry out Terrorist attacks will still go to heaven.

He rationale was that other 'evil' Muslims convinced them that they'd be serving Allah by carrying out attacks on the innocents. Thereby making these terrorists innocent and still recieving award in the after life because of their 'good intentions.

Sacchetto Boutique & AdamB,

Do you all believe this is true? Also, do you sympathize with Terrorists? Honestly, it seems that the majority of Muslims do and sometimes justify these attacks?

How would you know :
1. to be honest and
2. what the majority of muslims do?

The question is : How do you know that you are not being convinced / deceived into disbelieving in GOD, etc....? Just like the terrorists, don't you believe that you, your beliefs and actions are right?

[DFC]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/3/islamic-cleric-decrees-it-ok-syrian-rebels-rape-wo/

Islamic cleric decrees it OK for Syrian rebels to rape women


An Islamic cleric has cleared the path for rebels in Syria, who are trying to oust President Bashar Assad, to rape women, so long as they’re non-Sunni.
Salafi Sheikh Yasir al-Ajlawni, who hails from Jordan but who lived in Damascus for 17 years, sent a message via YouTube: It’s a “legitimate fatwa” for Muslims waging war against Mr. Assad and trying to put in place a Sharia government to “capture and have sex with” Alawites and other non-Sunni, non-Muslim women, Human Events reports. Mr. Assad is part of the Alawites sect.
In the video, the cleric called non-Muslim women by their Arabic term, “melk al-yamin,” Human Events reports. The term is from the Koran and refers to non-Muslim sex slaves, Human Events says.
This isn’t the first time Islamists have called for the raping of women.
A preacher in Saudi Arabi, Muhammad al-Arifi, sent forth a fatwa a few months ago giving jihadi fighters the right to have “intercourse marriage” with Syrian women they caught, and for that act to take enough time “to give each fighter a turn,” Human Events reports.




Adamb, you can now rape non-muslim women!!!!
Congrats.

Religion of Peace.

Thanks but I am not even going to bother with checking out this one. ALL religions teach goodness and good conduct and islam is the best religion. So how could what you are accusing be true?

Everything you see posted on the internet you take as "bible". That is what fools do, allowing themselves to be manipulated and misguided.

There is a reason why prophet narrations were classified into sound (authentic), good and weak (which includes FABRICATED). Hypocrites intentionally tried to poison/confuse the authentic narrations but they were weeded out...

Good luck, cheers!

oh its legit all right.
Check here --->




Adamb, would you marry off your daughter at 9 years old?

[AdamB]

DFC,

Everything you see posted on the internet you take as "bible". That is what fools do, allowing themselves to be manipulated and misguided.

[DFC]

DFC,

Everything you see posted on the internet you take as "bible"

Is that your rebuttal? Pathetic Adamb.

That is what fools do, allowing themselves to be manipulated and misguided.

I can say the same for you and Islamic Terrorists.

[AdamB]

Get a life Dfc!

You reject Islam fine.

You reject existence of GOD fine. Move on.

You accept hindu "gods" tho ...fine.

1. EVERY SOUL SHALL TASTE OF DEATH!
2. WHOEVER DOES AN ATOM'S WEIGHT OF GOOD SHALL SEE IT.
3. WHOEVER DOES AN ATOM'S WEIGHT OF EVIL SHALL SEE IT.
4. NO EXCUSE WILL ANY MAN HAVE ON THAT DREADFUL DAY.

[Habit7]

the Bible outweighs the Qu'ran by manuscript evidence (the means by which historians verify historical data) and archaeological evidence.

Plus I outlined to Sacchetto that Muhammad advised his followers to observe the Torah, Psalms and Gospel and that these book can never be corrupted.

Habit7,
You are in denial man, those points were properly refuted. Most recently the second just yesterday where I quoted from the tafsir (explanation) of ibn kathir.
You see, once again you (christian) want to change the meaning of the verses and yet claim that the bible is unchanged!!
tukadhdhibu...you deny!!!

I cant ever recall you proving that the Quran outweighs the Bible in manuscript evidence, no other book of antiquity does.

While there are other explanations that counters ibn kathir, it still has to rely on an Islamic Torah, Psalms and Gospel, which is never produced by anyone.

[Kasey]

Habit7, I dont think you are grasping what certain people are talking about here.

Its like this:
In order to see if something 'outweighs' the other you have to KNOW the 'weight' of the other. You know the 'weight' of your bible, I would not argue that, but do you know the 'weight' of other religious texts? What I mean is, do you know other religious texts as well, and as in depth, as you know the bible?

Whether or not 'other people' have thought they have proved it is irrelevant, because NONE of them have studied ALL other texts in depth enough to know.

NO ONE ON THIS FORUM can say they can make a fair judgement on which religion is more right, SIMPLY because they DO NOT KNOW EVERY TEXT. They SIMPLY BELIEVE.

I believe that was Duane's point.

[Habit7]

Kasey I think you are alluding to the subjective, I am making my point based on the objective. Based on the archaeological and historical methods we verify documents of ancient times, the Bible supersedes the Quran by leaps and bounds.

The misunderstanding that I believe Duane and you may have is that you characterise "faith" as based on no evidence, but a really, really strong belief in something, and that is not what Christian faith is. Christian faith is belief in the overwhelming evidence that the God of the Bible is the true God, and that Jesus whom He sent was God and died and rose again for sins of those who would believe in Him. Check out this video on what faith is:

[rocknrolla]

that was also my point Kasey.. but i took it a step further...

i have read the bible cover to cover, studied bits of the koran, studied a great deal of buddhism, some hinduism, ancient cultures and their Gods dating back to the first recorded civilization known as the sumerians, tibetans, yoga meditation, kundalini meditation, present day tribes and their beliefs among others.. and i am convinced.. absolutely convinced.. that all religions are equal.

each carries details missed in another. the strengths in one religion are the weaknesses in another religion. it is a puzzle where merging is very much possible without much problem. things i struggled to understand under one religious text were made clear to me in the same section of another who had more details, tho missing some other information in the one i previously read. they all compliment eachother.. if we would start looking for the similarities instead of the differences in everything.

i further point out, that the main goal of every religion and mission, even if not in a directly assigned mission, act as an inspiration to motivate man to grasp for the divine realms. but what makes them equal is that of all the religions and faiths, how many actually achieve the unveiling of the divine? how many gain the wisdom of the Gods? how many in our present day??

NONE! Thus EVERYONE IS FAILING.. EQUALLY!

thus i choose to respect all faiths equally since each holds truth. i could not be a muslim and insult the christian bible because to insult the bible i must insult it in it's entirety, however the story of genesis in islam and the christian bible is one and the same. thus if i were to insult christianity and its holy book id be insulting the truth of my own islamic God which matches that of the Christian God.

the Lord said thow shalt not kill. thus i choose not to go to war over him. i think an all powerful being and creator of all this magificence.. can defend himself.

[Habit7]

Like a broken clock is right at least 2 times a day....Bill Maher is correct here...

[DFC]

An atheist passes a priest and shouts "Jesus is a lie!". He then passes a Jew and shouts "God is a lie!". He then passes a Muslim Imam and shouts, "Good day Sir!".