2013 vigo trd 'sportivo' and navara 'sport version'

[ShaKarz]

Iv recently went around checking these 2 vans out and I'm now a little confused cuz 2 places d interior n body styling appear different, d sale reps keep telling me what I read n see online isn't true. The firms don't bring these so that's out. My budget is 300k give a little if worth it. I don't know what I really looking or asking for cuz I'm being told what online is wrong. Are d current imports real trd sportivo models with sport suspension n street sport package r what exactly is additional on d sport navara n Vigo champ import compared to the firm stock models. My wife will be driving the van too so it has to be auto n I want 4x4, which is the better option of 2 vans? I like d styling of the imports vs d firm options so buying a stock van from the firm to mod might compromise d warranty anyways so that's out. I like d navara sv looks more than d Vigo but I'm concerned more bout performance of the new imports as I'll have to maintain on my own.

[Bezman]

my personal experience, the hilux is the tougher and better of the two vans, but your wife may prefer driving the navara cause its more like a big suv, where the hilux feels like a pickup.. the navara is quieter and rides very soft, the hilux has harder rear leafs for carrying load so it may feel a bit more bouncy.

BUUUT - with your budget, i would honestly go look at the Ford Wildtrack, Ranger Limited, and dont get tie up, also go check out the Ranger 2.2 4x4 6speed auto ~ $269k from the firm, you can buy all the trim and stuff you like.. I honestly find the ranger has the best ride and interior etc at the moment, your wife will love driving it. the 2.2 is amazing on diesel economy.


AAAND also make sure and check out the Chevy Colorado from lifestyle. the auto 4x4 is ~$316k iirc and its fully loaded with leather and all kinda thing... for that money, bro go and check ALL the vans, take ya wife to see the 2 you like.

my 2ç

[ShaKarz]

My neighbour had d 2.2l ranger n sold it after a month, Idrove it, it is lazy n I read online bout transmission issues n electronic issues d firm don't know to solve,he has a 3.0l hilux now n likes it a lot more. I'm not desputing d wildtrack perf as I never drove one or checked it out. I'm more interested in the navara as most ppl rate it more rugged n powerful with soft suspension as u say, to me that's well match to this countrys terrain but I want to know what exactly the 'sport version' imports has that d firm doesn't other than cruise control n d other steering controls that I saw. I read on a site d sport version has a street sport suspension but m rampersad tell me theirs have norma suspension but it has d sport version badge on it.. r there any marks or labels to look for to know its a real sport version.

I'll check out d Colorado

[venum]

driving the new Hilux these days

4x4 2.5 Auto loaded

the suspension is disgustingly rough, but I accustomed to the nice comfortable ride of my Sportero

Teh interior reminds me of a corolla

still has that terrible blind spot with teh tiny rear windsheild

handling is good, brakes could be better

[ShaKarz]

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[lighthammer]

well, it's a real navara

[venum]

bro, this is not an insult, don't take it as one please

but you do not seem to be sure what you want,

when sales ppl meet you they will tell you all sorts of things.

when you buying a vehicle, the responsibility is YOURS to research and know what you are buying

the sales ppl in the dealerships know very little about the vehicles they sell, which is why they tell you taht what u see online isnt true

vehicles selling like wow these days, because the vehicles pretty much selling themselves, so the sales ppl just have to be present in the showroom when you walk in to help you give them their commission

if you depend on them to tell you that it is a sport version and to give you info, they are going to screw you over and tell you whatever you want to hear, cuz u already do not know anything about it and they just want the sale.

research online what the sport version has so when you go into teh showroom (not call and ask some receptionist) you can verify that you are seeing what is supposed to be there

there are different options available for different markets.

if you looking at the european market, you will see a lot of things that will never be available in the Thai\singapore market

about the suspension, the euro dealers order stuff different from teh factory, so check that too

it is very easy for teh import dealer to buy a sport badge and stick it on the vehicle, less likely for teh local established dealer to do the same

my TT$0.02 is that you should buy something that the local dealers have expertise in servicing, that parts are readily available for, unless u have other vehicles and can tolerate downtime on the one with some strange problem teh dealership is trying to figure out

is $300k + you gonna spend, make sure you get the correct thing that u want

[ShaKarz]

Venum, no offense taken I agree with your view this is why I'm here double checking with you'll here so I trust know more than d sale reps, d white van I post is d actual pic of a Thai import I saw, I heard massy vans from Mexico? That many b false

[venum]

The plant is in Mexico

teh saleman in south told me that he went there himself

[ShaKarz]

I think I want a navara, just to decide now if to buy from the firm who btw doesn't seem any better than an import dealer these days, hearin people stories bout d firm most are negative, an import dealer offer 50,000km free service including oil/filters n 3 years free service labour n I pay for oil/filters etc after. My only concern is if any mechanical parts fail that might be drama I think it's same as the firm mechanic wise though. What you'll think bout that deal?

[Bezman]

hands down deal with the firm.. if there is a vehicle recall for mechanical/safety parts replacement, electrical, the super expensive transmissions... just my 2ç again

[kg494EJ-1]

I think I want a navara, just to decide now if to buy from the firm who btw doesn't seem any better than an import dealer these days, hearin people stories bout d firm most are negative, an import dealer offer 50,000km free service including oil/filters n 3 years free service labour n I pay for oil/filters etc after. My only concern is if any mechanical parts fail that might be drama I think it's same as the firm mechanic wise though. What you'll think bout that deal?

You would not regret the Navara,recently purchased the sport version 4x4 from M.Rampersad and I though it was just a badge but I am happy to say I was wrong. There is a difference in the way the it handles to the local 4x4 but I have been amazed how smooth it is and there are subtle differences but its not just an overpriced spaceship.
I was originally looking at the Ranger but the waiting got me looking, then to Massy and by chance I had to go south and passed Rampersad compared the two and when I started adding the accessories I wanted to Massy's offering besides hearing it would void your warranty, it came up to more than I was paying at Rampersad.

I would advise to give them a look, it doesn't hurt to look around.

[kg494EJ-1]

just to add I was in the same position trying to figure out what was BS and what was fact underneath it all they are same just different trim levels with as I mentioned subtle differences, the Sport Version and Gran Titanium are Packages based on the LE spec Navara available to the Asian Markets such as Thailand.
In the end do your research and make the choice you are comfortable with.

here is the a link : http://www.nissan-core.com/online/SNA/e ... 140746.htm

[sliderz1]

^^^^
alot of ppl say the imports ride better than the N+M versions, have you compared an ordinary import to the SV?

[civic minded]

is there any particular reason you want a "pickup" for your wife to drive? If your budget is 300+ won't it be better to buy a diesel SUV like probably a Grand Vitara or Kia or hyandia 4x4 versions?

I think you can get a nice well equip Kia Sportage with leather interior and powerful diesel engine... just my two cents.

[ShaKarz]

She don't like suv's cuz I initially told her bout d tucson..

Kg494EJ-1, how much u paid for ur navara sv at m rampersad? D reason I heard it drives 'better' is cuz I they chip d van to make it use more fuel n so compromise d stock injectors I don't know how true but it runs harder due to that, my source of info is very good n I don't doubt it, they only give one free service to :s but did u get d van for 325k or less? Is one of the black flare out ones auto 4x4 u buy?

[ShaKarz]

Thanks for d link it ans my question

[kg494EJ-1]

The vehicle was purchased as a Fathers day gift for my father, who has been in love with the Navara from the start. We took the only Greyish Bronze 4x4 they had in stock at the time.

I have driven the local and this side by side as the company vehicle I had was a local 2010 model. There is a difference in the overall feel of the vehicle the power is more direct. I also test drove the N&M Model as that is where I was Originally going purchase the vehicle until the Accessories cost made me think twice.

As for the chipping as far as I am aware ours is not as I am in process of chipping (decisions) however it does feel like the ecu map is different to the local as the torque in this thing launches and on a daily basis it hits 130km/h with ease and doesn't feel unstable I actually use the cruise control to monitor the speed.

As for cost, Fully Loaded I paid less than 325 on the road, don't be afraid to hit them up for a discount I dealt with a Norine at Rampersad she made the process easy and painless, some of the best customer service I have received to the point I am thinking of getting the TRD Sportivo at the end of the year for myself (if bonus nice this year).

As for servicing for we usually service our vehicles away from the company we use either United Auto or Southern Executive,but only OEM parts.

Horror stories of local firms I have personally experienced, from billing for items they haven't changed to never having parts in stock. I get better service outside and I stand by that, costs aren't that different, from my experience usually cheaper.
However if something goes horrible wrong be willing to stand up and pay the bill.

This vehicle was purchased for the daily run and estate licks and thus far it has done it.

As I said before there are the Pros and Cons, it is what you are comfortable with.

[ShaKarz]

my friend recently bought a firm version LE 4x4 manual, when he took me for a spin it hit 130km on 3rd gear he didnt go on 6th gear cuz he said it have to break in first n change oil etc it climbed effortlessly to over 100km imo but iv decided to go with an import due to the same reason of difference in ride and the accessories cost to get what i want, i actually think im getting a better deal on the outside vs the firm in terms of warranty plus both vans come from different places so the issues may vary im guessing so cant really compare firm to import i realised

btw anyone knows what number the new series reach now?

[DFC]

Vigo may just be out of your budget.

Its around $325,000-$370,000.

(My dad bought a vigo a few months ago)

[sliderz1]

plus both vans come from different places

where are you getting that info frm?

PCZ 55XX frm LO this morn

[killersuzuki]

I looked at a trd hilux this week at m.rampersad. little over 300k but it's
a 4 x 2, 2.5 turbo diesel. I still trying to find out if there are any performance upgrades.

[killersuzuki]

This is what it looked like

[ShaKarz]

plus both vans come from different places

where are you getting that info frm?

PCZ 55XX frm LO this morn

i heard N&M vans coming from a plant in mexico, the imports come from the asian continent...?

this series going SLOWWW..........

[nissan/nothing]

Guys personally I have found that the navara had much improved from its predecessor the D22 frontier. I bought a sport version from bessmotors in chag and paid 320K and I didn't regret any part of it. We have the Hilux at work and its the fully loaded 3.0 4x4 and its a bit lazy compared to the navara. All of the navara 4x4s that were produced after 2010 came with 190 bhp and about 400-420 Nm of torque at least the ones coming from the Asian market.

[kg494EJ-1]

This is what it looked like

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That's the trd sportivo,I instantly fell in love however the 4x2 was the deal breaker plus I needed to ketch myself after that purchase, the price I was quoted for it was even less than I paid for the Navara. I would love to get a 4x4 version to it.

I was very cautious of purchasing from an unauthorized dealer but as mentioned before local offerings weren't as appealing to me, there difference is the warranties but in my experience it isn't worth the paper its printed on.

I like to make my vehicle mine and I see the warranties available locally as jokes.

My company has purchased numerous vehicles from local distributors and when a problem occurs they pass it off on the accessories (they authorised and installed/contractor) on the vehicles.

We had a vehicle where the clutch cylinder broke (cracked) and they blamed it on the terrain and refused to cover it under warranty, another where the engine failed after 43,xxx kms, they blamed it on poor servicing practices however the vehicle was always serviced before the requirement with the bills and logs to prove leaving me with 30k + bill.

Not saying the brands are bad but the local distributors are TERRIBLE. I'll stand on my own, can't keep fighting with companies to honor contracts and warranties, my time is valuable to me and my family.

[killersuzuki]

I was told there wasn't a 4x4 version available. .....the 4x2 was a deal breaker for me as well

[sliderz1]

plus both vans come from different places

where are you getting that info frm?

PCZ 55XX frm LO this morn

i heard N&M vans coming from a plant in mexico, the imports come from the asian continent...?

this series going SLOWWW..........

go in and talk to a N&M sales rep because that's nonsense. The USDM spec D40's are made in Mexico.

[lighthammer]

plus both vans come from different places

where are you getting that info frm?

PCZ 55XX frm LO this morn

i heard N&M vans coming from a plant in mexico, the imports come from the asian continent...?

this series going SLOWWW..........

go in and talk to a N&M sales rep because that's nonsense. The USDM spec D40's are made in Mexico.

USA d40 frontiers and pathfinder come from Mexico plant, UK and Australia and south african D40 navara and pathfinder come from Spain, and all other 3rd world countries and euro/Asian trucks come from Thailand.

Talk done.
Check ur vehicle serial no, you'll see.

[lighthammer]

This is what it looked like

1373568616887.jpg

That's the trd sportivo,I instantly fell in love however the 4x2 was the deal breaker plus I needed to ketch myself after that purchase, the price I was quoted for it was even less than I paid for the Navara. I would love to get a 4x4 version to it.

I was very cautious of purchasing from an unauthorized dealer but as mentioned before local offerings weren't as appealing to me, there difference is the warranties but in my experience it isn't worth the paper its printed on.

I like to make my vehicle mine and I see the warranties available locally as jokes.

My company has purchased numerous vehicles from local distributors and when a problem occurs they pass it off on the accessories (they authorised and installed/contractor) on the vehicles.

We had a vehicle where the clutch cylinder broke (cracked) and they blamed it on the terrain and refused to cover it under warranty, another where the engine failed after 43,xxx kms, they blamed it on poor servicing practices however the vehicle was always serviced before the requirement with the bills and logs to prove leaving me with 30k + bill.

That's because the no 1 motto for trinidadian businesses is "make money", not "customer service".. And partly to blame are greedy small island trinidadian who would have claimed extravagant damages to hustle such companies - no one trusts each other so we're all f*cked unless u have a mechanic friend or some technical know how.

Not saying the brands are bad but the local distributors are TERRIBLE. I'll stand on my own, can't keep fighting with companies to honor contracts and warranties, my time is valuable to me and my family.

I agree, we have excellent vehicles here on trinidad but local distributors are sheit, it's all about money money money and they feed the ignorant /uneducated customers bullsheit to make them feel they got their money's worth.

That's why I myself told N&M to take their warranty and shove it, and decided to do my own servicing. Just served my front brake pads last week in fact, put in some new Wagner ceramics to replace the Mintex semi-metalic, and next month gonna service the rear drums too. Cost to me - $350 for Wagner pads (approx).... Cost in N&M - approx $800-1000.

F*ck dat!!